Can't we do better, than these two buffoons?

Yes, but not by much. The major third parties are clowns just like the Big Two.

Suppose the unthinkable took place, and Hillary Clinton was forced for health reasons to step down as the Democratic presidential nominee. Who do Democrats think should take her place?

Too late. Ballots printed.

Gary Johnson would have a reasonable shot if Hiliary went down for what ever reason. But Trump would benefit the most.

[edit] And Chicago has a proud tradition of electing dead officials......no wait, that's dead electors electing officials......

They do it in New York. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dead-man-bill-nojay-wins-ny-assembly-primary/

Isn't it ingrained into all Americans that they must keep working no matter what illnesses they have. The reason given for the recent Chipotle food poisoning was because ill employee's carried on working.

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Suppose the unthinkable took place, and Hillary Clinton was forced for health reasons to step down as the Democratic presidential nominee. Who do Democrats think should take her place?

Too late. Ballots printed.

Gary Johnson would have a reasonable shot if Hiliary went down for what ever reason. But Trump would benefit the most.

The opposite. More trump supporters are anti-hillary than hillary supporters are anti-trump.

Which is why Hillary will win in November.
Anti-Hillary Trump supporters will buy their 40 oz's of liquor early and forget to vote. HaHa.

Isn't it ingrained into all Americans that they must keep working no matter what illnesses they have.

Nope.

Depends on their Job's Medical Leave Policy and amount of Sick Days (With Full Pay) they have.

Government and Unionized Workers, tend to use all their 'Sick Days'. Even when they are not sick.

WinterKnight...

The American Culture is a conglomeration of the World's Cultures, and they are substantially different from each other. It depends on what region of this Continental Country you are referring to.

"All" rarely applies.

Don't give me any of that, US culture on health and vacations is completely different from just about every country and especially the OECD countries.
Go and read this http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/07/15/422957640/lots-of-other-countries-mandate-paid-leave-why-not-the-us it has quite a section on why the US is different from the most other countries.

Just go and look at the number of days mandated for maternity leave,
http://www.oecd.org/els/soc/PF2_1_Parental_leave_systems.pdf or paid vacation days http://www.oecd.org/els/soc/PF2_3_Additional_leave_entitlements_of_working_parents.pdf

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But Presidents themselves have ZERO right to any sort of a private life.

So you want to know if they wipe their butt front to back, or back to front?

Could not have said that better my self

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Isn't it ingrained into all Americans that they must keep working no matter what illnesses they have.

Nope.

Depends on their Job's Medical Leave Policy and amount of Sick Days (With Full Pay) they have.

Government and Unionized Workers, tend to use all their 'Sick Days'. Even when they are not sick.

WinterKnight...

The American Culture is a conglomeration of the World's Cultures, and they are substantially different from each other. It depends on what region of this Continental Country you are referring to.

"All" rarely applies.

Don't give me any of that, US culture on health and vacations is completely different from just about every country and especially the OECD countries.

WK he said the magic word, UNION. You likely have no clue how much difference that word makes over here. Here it means near OECD level benefits. You are correct without UNION there are zero benefits. Just remember why Walmart will close a store if it looks like it might go UNION.

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Want to get rid of Unions or Limit there power have minimum wage and a fair work commissions that all party's must abide by .

Unions have lost membership over the years here and that is partly because of the minimum wage and Fair work commission . You don't need a Union Rep to get a fair deal for fair work .

Case in point a employee took 7 Eleven to the Commission because they where not paying the right wages , ergo not paying minimum wages and there 9% super and they won .

7 Eleven got a huge fine and has had to pay back all money owed

Forget the past B/s it's the 21st century think out of the Box so to speak

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Darth what you are describing is an idea
that does not really exist in America. The
idea that employers have any responsibility
to workers other than what they can get away
with paying in wages, no matter how low, is
very foreign. There does not seem to be any
sort of collective empathy for each other.
In the republic greed has become a virtue.
There even in government service the idea
seems to be promise every thing, then low ball,
cost cut, and underfund until the people in
question either die off, or just quit. It
is too bad when one considers all the money
they could throw at these problems, but why
pay up, what can a simple citizen do in their
own defense?

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WK he said the magic word, UNION. You likely have no clue how much difference that word makes over here. Here it means near OECD level benefits. You are correct without UNION there are zero benefits. Just remember why Walmart will close a store if it looks like it might go UNION.

Gary...

Add Government (Federal, State, Local) Employees.

BTW: Non-Unionized Private Employer's have different policies. Many are like Walmart, many aren't.

WK doesn't understand this Country. It is not a 'One Size Fits All' Country.

I understand the US more than you know Europe and the rest of the world. I know there has been limited Union membership in the US, so the claim the US is a amalgamation of mainly European cultures is false. What is true is that the US has done it, its way, mainly to the detriment of the workers who have been conned by the owners.

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The idea that employers have any responsibility
to workers other than what they can get away
with paying in wages, no matter how low, is
very foreign. There does not seem to be any
sort of collective empathy for each other.

I must disagree, Celt. What about those companies that are employee owned? I retired from one such business. The company continues to thrive and it's employees/owners work to insure continued viability as they all share in the profits.

There are many low to mid-level workers there who have amassed 6 figure retirement balances in addition to their 401k accounts. In their case the employers care very much about responsibilities to their fellow owners/employees.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

WK he said the magic word, UNION. You likely have no clue how much difference that word makes over here. Here it means near OECD level benefits. You are correct without UNION there are zero benefits. Just remember why Walmart will close a store if it looks like it might go UNION.

Gary...

Add Government (Federal, State, Local) Employees.

BTW: Non-Unionized Private Employer's have different policies. Many are like Walmart, many aren't.

WK doesn't understand this Country. It is not a 'One Size Fits All' Country.

I understand the US more than you know Europe and the rest of the world. I know there has been limited Union membership in the US, so the claim the US is a amalgamation of mainly European cultures is false. What is true is that the US has done it, its way, mainly to the detriment of the workers who have been conned by the owners.

WK,

It is STILL not a one-size-fits-all country. There are 50 different States in the USA. A lot of the labor regulations in the US ARE Federal, that is true. But the various States have their own as well. The so-called 'right to work' laws and regulations are, for the most part, State laws & Regulations.

Right-to-work laws are statutes in a reported 26 states in the United States that are an effort to give employees the right to work without being required or compelled to join to a union.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law#U.S._states_with_right-to-work_laws

Also, several of the States impose a higher minimum wage than the Federal standard.

Sorry, but the USA is NOT uniform when it comes to labor laws & regulations. One might wish to avoid sweeping generalizations on the subject.

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https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

WK he said the magic word, UNION. You likely have no clue how much difference that word makes over here. Here it means near OECD level benefits. You are correct without UNION there are zero benefits. Just remember why Walmart will close a store if it looks like it might go UNION.

Gary...

Add Government (Federal, State, Local) Employees.

BTW: Non-Unionized Private Employer's have different policies. Many are like Walmart, many aren't.

WK doesn't understand this Country. It is not a 'One Size Fits All' Country.

I understand the US more than you know Europe and the rest of the world. I know there has been limited Union membership in the US, so the claim the US is a amalgamation of mainly European cultures is false. What is true is that the US has done it, its way, mainly to the detriment of the workers who have been conned by the owners.

WK,

It is STILL not a one-size-fits-all country. There are 50 different States in the USA. A lot of the labor regulations in the US ARE Federal, that is true. But the various States have their own as well. The so-called 'right to work' laws and regulations are, for the most part, State laws & Regulations.

Right-to-work laws are statutes in a reported 26 states in the United States that are an effort to give employees the right to work without being required or compelled to join to a union.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law#U.S._states_with_right-to-work_laws

Also, several of the States impose a higher minimum wage than the Federal standard.

Sorry, but the USA is NOT uniform when it comes to labor laws & regulations. One might wish to avoid sweeping generalizations on the subject.

Well there are broad classes

1) Sugarbear - US Federal Government - Full civil service protections + full union protections.

2) State and many local government - very similar to US, but there may be a few small chinks in the armor and they may not handle their pension funds with the same rock solid guarantee.

3) Small local government - frequently run by corruption.

4) Publicly traded corporate employer - these are run by the fiduciary duty to the shareholder to maximize profit. They also are frequently so large that the employees have banded into a union. Other companies in this size will do everything to prevent a union including closing a shop PDQ to prevent a union election - Walmart Others give full union benefits even though they don't have to - Costco.

5) Closely held corporation - these are usually the personal ethics of the owners. Not because they don't owe each other the same fiduciary duty but because they can meet face to face to wave that duty. Or one owner has a controlling interest and it is his ethics.

6) Employee owned.

7) Family owned.

8) Sole owner.

There are exceptions in every class.

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I see all the justifications advanced extoling the
virtue of American capitalism, then I read that the
water in Flint is still poison.....



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There can't be a problem, or else people would be voting for the Donald like crazy...

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I see all the justifications advanced extoling the
virtue of American capitalism

That's pretty rich coming from a guy who lives in a country that recently spilled 9.5 million liters of toxic waste into Northern Alberta. Didn't that end up being found to affect the Zama river?

Oh, it's extolling. You dropped an l there.

That's a toxic L of a drop :-)

I see all the justifications advanced extoling the
virtue of American capitalism, then I read that the
water in Flint is still poison.....

Amazing how the corrupt government of Flint can't adopt capitalism.

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Oops, and the water in Flint is good after all...



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I'll tit for tat you over our collective sin and still won't need to vote for the Donald....

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"celttooth does it again!"

I have solved the Hill-Dog's Clinton foundation problems.
The Clinton Foundation should make fixing the water problems
in Flint the number one example of why the foundation is in
place. They go all over the world spending millions in aid
programs for the underprivileged. "Mrs. Clinton, Flint needs
your help now!"



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You're welcome America, miracles provided every day, the impossible on request....

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Apparently, all perfectly legal.

So, lobby for her to fix all that with the foundation.
The money is there, the will and the need is there, so
let's get her to do it. Then regardless of how the Donald
plays it, the people will get the help they need. If you
don't like Hillary, then you can feel good that she is being
forced to pay, if you do like her, then can feel good about
her: "getting it right again!" Plus the people get helped.



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There it is, perfect all around. Let's get to it.....

re-edit:
It is not like it is her money right?

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