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TimeLord04 Send message Joined: 9 Mar 06 Posts: 21140 Credit: 33,933,039 RAC: 23 |
I've discovered a site that goes into GREAT detail about taking ANY Intel based PC, and creating a "Hackintosh" using MAC OS X Snow Leopard. Some hardware tweaking is involved. For example if a system has more than 4 GB RAM; prior to installing Snow Leopard, one must temporarily remove the extra RAM above 4 GB. Also, certain GPUs are NOT acceptable to Snow Leopard; so an older GPU MUST be used to complete setup... Once Snow Leopard is setup to accept one's specific hardware, (through some third party program called iBoot), and properly installed onto the custom PC, then one may reinstall the extra RAM. As to newer GPUs; one MUST first Upgrade OS X beyond Snow Leopard to the desired newer OS X that supports the newer GPU in question. For me, I'm going to try to do this with Prometheus, (GTX-750 system), and get to at least Mountain Lion - maybe even newer than that, depending on which MAC OS X supports the GTX-750 TI SC card that I have. I will be installing MAC OS X Snow Leopard onto a completely new 1 TB Hard Drive. (Recommended by the Hackintosh Site in question that I'm reading up on.) If anyone here has knowledge of such an adventure, I'd be interested to hear about it. Further, once complete, and the newer hardware is accepted, can one crunch SETI@Home in MAC OS on a GTX-750 TI SC? I see this adventure as an option to break away from Windows, and NOT have to suffer the command line structure of Linux; which ABSOLUTELY drives me crazy. If this works, I could postpone Upgrading my Win 7 Pro x64 to Win 10 Pro. Or, even if I do Upgrade to Win 10, I would still have a dual boot system into MAC OS X. Thoughts, anyone??? TL TimeLord04 Have TARDIS, will travel... Come along K-9! Join Calm Chaos |
The_Matrix Send message Joined: 17 Nov 03 Posts: 414 Credit: 5,827,850 RAC: 0 |
i would never try that, thought ever the hardware were irelevant. If u have to use old stuff, what for ? Thats not amazing. |
jason_gee Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 7489 Credit: 91,093,184 RAC: 0 |
Being not comfortable with messing on the hackintosh route, and not comfortable with giving Apple any money either, I got my 2009 spec Mac Pro off Ebay, and found in was upgraded to 2010 spec. It came with Yosemite and updated to El-Capitan on release (without forcing it down my throat, lol.... Pretty happy with it now I hacked in a GTX780 alongside the Radeon display device. Also the burger warming slots seem much more useful than the modern Pedal-bin Mac Pros. "Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions. |
TBar Send message Joined: 22 May 99 Posts: 5204 Credit: 840,779,836 RAC: 2,768 |
Well, to run a Maxwell in OSX you will need at least Yosemite. You will also have to install the appropriate nVidia Webdriver before the 750Ti will even lightup the screen. Then, if for some reason the OS decided to switch back to the Apple driver you will again be met with a black screen until you managed to switch back to the nVidia driver. I have No idea how this would work on a Hackintosh, but I can imagine all sorts of difficulties. The other being the nVidia CUDA driver, has anyone run the nVidia Webdriver and CUDA driver on a Hack? I see at least 3 areas of concern; 1) Managing to install Yosemite 2) Managing to install the Webdriver 3) Having the CUDA driver see CUDA on a Hack. It's possible it may all work without a problem, it's also possible none of it will work. You'll just have to try. |
HAL9000 Send message Joined: 11 Sep 99 Posts: 6534 Credit: 196,805,888 RAC: 57 |
Was the site you went to http://www.hackintosh.com/? Back when I was messing around with setting up a hackintosh that site seemed to be the best source to find everything. SETI@home classic workunits: 93,865 CPU time: 863,447 hours Join the [url=http://tinyurl.com/8y46zvu]BP6/VP6 User Group[ |
TimeLord04 Send message Joined: 9 Mar 06 Posts: 21140 Credit: 33,933,039 RAC: 23 |
Was the site you went to http://www.hackintosh.com/? Back when I was messing around with setting up a hackintosh that site seemed to be the best source to find everything. No, not that site, but that's useful too. I'm currently reading the Tonymacx86 Blog site. There, I downloaded and burned iBoot 3.3.0 to DVD and today I received a copy of Snow Leopard from a MAC friend. :-) Tomorrow, I'm going to purchase a new 1 TB drive to install MAC OS onto. I hope this will be as simple as Tonymacx86 says it is. Apparently using the iBoot system eliminates a lot of hassle. We'll see. TL TimeLord04 Have TARDIS, will travel... Come along K-9! Join Calm Chaos |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Good science, but why an Apple? |
TimeLord04 Send message Joined: 9 Mar 06 Posts: 21140 Credit: 33,933,039 RAC: 23 |
Good science, but why an Apple? Because every time I've tried a version of Linux it has required 30 command lines to install something I need... Example, Apache OpenOffice - 30 command lines to get everything it needed installed and ready. I didn't like the environment! I don't like where MS is taking Windows. That leaves one OS for me - MAC! Plus, if I can master the use of OS X, I can support it in my Tech Services. I will be making Prometheus/Andromeda dual boot. Prometheus will remain Win 7 Pro x64; possibly Upgraded to Win 10 Pro, AFTER I make a drive image of Win 7. Andromeda will be the new Hackintosh. :-) TL TimeLord04 Have TARDIS, will travel... Come along K-9! Join Calm Chaos |
Jonathan Jeckell Send message Joined: 25 Jun 99 Posts: 30 Credit: 16,549,509 RAC: 62 |
I built an i7-5820k just for this purpose--to turn it into a Hackintosh. I haven't pulled the trigger on the Hackintosh part yet because I ran into a small obstacle that I haven't had the time to deal with. It's running Ubuntu Linux for now, but it will be a Hackintosh when I get around to it. Another thing that undermined the urgency was the change to the SETI v8 apps. SETI v7 had in-house optimized apps, so I wouldn't have to mess with anything when there were minor updates, plus the information assurance confidence that comes with sticking with the canonical apps. I'm using info from this site and this post in particular http://www.tonymacx86.com/yosemite-desktop-guides/151670-success-i7-5820k-4-3ghz-2x-gtx-970-ga-x99-ud4-yosemite-hackintosh.html Keep us posted on your project! |
TimeLord04 Send message Joined: 9 Mar 06 Posts: 21140 Credit: 33,933,039 RAC: 23 |
What is the Compute Capability of the EVGA NVIDIA GTX-750 TI SC? I'm trying to DL the CUDA Driver from NVIDIA for MAC... The latest version says it WON'T work on cards that have 1.x Compute Capability. [EDIT] CUDA Drivers for MAC. TL TimeLord04 Have TARDIS, will travel... Come along K-9! Join Calm Chaos |
HAL9000 Send message Joined: 11 Sep 99 Posts: 6534 Credit: 196,805,888 RAC: 57 |
Was the site you went to http://www.hackintosh.com/? Back when I was messing around with setting up a hackintosh that site seemed to be the best source to find everything. Their iBoot loader does make things much easier. SETI@home classic workunits: 93,865 CPU time: 863,447 hours Join the [url=http://tinyurl.com/8y46zvu]BP6/VP6 User Group[ |
TimeLord04 Send message Joined: 9 Mar 06 Posts: 21140 Credit: 33,933,039 RAC: 23 |
Was the site you went to http://www.hackintosh.com/? Back when I was messing around with setting up a hackintosh that site seemed to be the best source to find everything. I also had to install a Registry Update using a tool I found online to install AHCI support to my Win 7 Pro x64 system. Then, I had to go back into the BIOS and turn on AHCI for the SATA drives; the BIOS was set to SATA/IDE support initially. Now that AHCI is on, I'll be able to Dual Boot the system and choose either Win or MAC at bootup. TL TimeLord04 Have TARDIS, will travel... Come along K-9! Join Calm Chaos |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9954 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
Just like to mention what you are considering is technically illegal, as apparently the EULA states The grants set forth in this License do not permit you to, and you agree not to, install, use or run the Apple Software on any non-Apple-branded computer, or to enable others to do so. While I don't suppose they would prosecute, you, they did however successfully stop a firm selling laptops ready made to install OSX.. So, discussing it on an open forum is possibly not a good idea and could be embarrassing for SETI@home Remember just like Windows you do not own the software, just a licence to use it in line with the EULA. |
Johny Send message Joined: 19 Nov 99 Posts: 22 Credit: 22,175 RAC: 0 |
Good science, but why an Apple? sadly, but you understand nothing. there is no "linux", linux have a many distributions - sometimes very different from user, and administrator viewpoint. i personally live on MS products since i came to PC architecture about in 1994 - ms dos, win95osr, 98se, xp. then, about 2000 i try to linux - slackware and black cat / mandriva. I investigate linux and about 2005 i switch to linux completely - at work and at home too, because win become completely scrap. i be very sure, you can easily find distro, where all configs, installs, and uninstalls can be done from GUI, and CLI not need at all - that is mainstream in current world, sadly. about year ago i start examine macs and mac os, and now mostly live on macbook. also not see a point to make a hackintosh - if you not like win anymore, and also not like cli, then why not biy a mac and live stable and mostly without additional problems? if you value your time, sure... |
Chris Adamek Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 251 Credit: 434,772,072 RAC: 236 |
Sometimes, one climbs a mountain, simply because it is there.=) |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
VirtualBox can be used on all OS, Windows, Linux, MAC, Solaris, All you have to do is to install the one for your OS, 32-bit or 64-bit. I am running the CERN projects on one Windows PC and two Linux boxes, all on VirtualBox.Plus I am running the CERN Challenge. CERN programs are all of Scientific Linux type and even if I am running another Linux version, I must install VirtualBox on it to run CERN programs. Tullio |
TimeLord04 Send message Joined: 9 Mar 06 Posts: 21140 Credit: 33,933,039 RAC: 23 |
Am getting close... Tried several times to get the install going. Followed ALL the instructions for iBoot. Got to MAC OS X Snow Leopard setup screen; hit enter, and waited. After a few minutes, got a white circle with a line through it. Turned out to be a BIOS issue... I had set SATA/IDE to SATA/AHCI per iBoot instructions; but, also found that the RAID/AHCI had to be Enabled. Relaunched iBoot and MAC OS X SL, got farther into the Setup; but, this time the video dropped out using the old GTX-275 card. Totally black screen, could not continue the install. Guys on Tonymacx86 site state I need one of the following: ASUS GeForce 8400GS PNY GeForce 9800GT EVGA GeForce GT-240 EVGA GeForce GTX-470 Any one of these cards will allow me to install Snow Leopard to get going so I can Upgrade to El Capitan. Once on El Capitan, there are MAC Drivers available at Tonymacx86 site to get my GTX-750 TI SC working again. Unfortunately, there is NO driver for the GTX-750 TI SC for Snow Leopard... So, anyone here that has one of these older cards that is no longer in use please PM me. I REALLY need to get this project done so that I can dual boot my system and have access to either MAC or Win at the push of a button. As to the legality of Hackintosh; Apple already tried to put a stop to it, and FAILED. The legality of Hackintosh STANDS as they are using purchased copies of Snow Leopard to get going and therefore Apple is making their money off the purchases of their OS. There is NOTHING preventing other creative PC users from creating MACS out of their Intel based PCs; again NO GROUNDS for suit against the implementation of PURCHASED MAC OS software onto generic, custom built Intel PCs. :-P [EDIT:] Oh, this doesn't mean that Apple likes this situation! Just that Hackintosh has been found to be perfectly LEGAL! So, Apple offers NO official support for Hackintosh; but, savvy PC users/builders are perfectly within their right to buy MAC OS X Snow Leopard and use the iBoot method to convert a relatively inexpensive PC into a MAC system and Upgrade it to El Capitan, the latest MAC OS. TL TimeLord04 Have TARDIS, will travel... Come along K-9! Join Calm Chaos |
J. Mileski Send message Joined: 9 Jun 02 Posts: 632 Credit: 172,116,532 RAC: 572 |
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TimeLord04 Send message Joined: 9 Mar 06 Posts: 21140 Credit: 33,933,039 RAC: 23 |
Well digging around, I've got 2 EVGA cards, 9400GT, and a 9500GT, and my GT 240 is ASUS I'm asking on the Tonymacx86 site if the ASUS GT-240 might be acceptable. When I get a response, I'll PM you. Thanks for the offer. :-) TL TimeLord04 Have TARDIS, will travel... Come along K-9! Join Calm Chaos |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9954 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
As to the legality of Hackintosh; Apple already tried to put a stop to it, and FAILED. The legality of Hackintosh STANDS as they are using purchased copies of Snow Leopard to get going and therefore Apple is making their money off the purchases of their OS. There is NOTHING preventing other creative PC users from creating MACS out of their Intel based PCs; again NO GROUNDS for suit against the implementation of PURCHASED MAC OS software onto generic, custom built Intel PCs. :-P If you could find a link to any sort of official statement that using Apple OSX in this way is not against their EULA I will be happy. Remember you do not BUY the software, just a license to use it same as Windows. Note this also from the EULA The Apple software (including Boot ROM code), any third party software, documentation, interfaces, content, fonts and any data accompanying this License whether preinstalled on Apple-branded hardware, on disk, in read only memory, on any other media or in any other form (collectively the “Apple Softwareâ€) are licensed, not sold, to you by Apple Inc. (“Appleâ€) for use only under the terms of this License. Apple and/or Apple’s licensors retain ownership of the Apple Software itself and reserve all rights not expressly granted to you. While Apple are unlikely to prosecute individuals as that would be bad PR they did successfully prosecute Psystar. Psystar was an interesting case. The company actually sold computers pre-designed to accept OS X as a native operating system. As much as Psystar tried to circumvent the EULA by proving a bundled copy of OS X and not actually installing the software itself, Apple’s lawsuit was successful, winning damages and multiple appeals against Psystar, which has since been permanently barred from selling its Hackintosh systems. The problem is not that you are going to use a companies product in violation of the EULA but you are going to detail how to do it on these boards. Whilst breaking a EULA might seem OK, giving details of how to do it on a respected scientific projects forum is possibly not a good idea. Carry on and convert to a hackingtosh if you must but I believe there a better places than here to discuss and document it. |
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