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W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19417 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
How many people NEED semi-automatic assault rifles? |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
How many people NEED semi-automatic assault rifles? Everyone that doesn't have done enough target practicing and are nervous. Why do you think assault rifles have a short barrel? |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9958 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
Can we please stop the personal insults. Just because you don't agree with someone or their lifestyle it does not give you the right to insult them. Thank you. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19417 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Personal choice is not defined as a need. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31029 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Personal choice is not defined as a need. Need is a personal choice. You chose to need gravity, air, water, food, shelter. You choose to need TP. You choose to need a sewer system. You choose to need a mate. You choose to need a smartphone. You choose to need a better life. The boogeyman needs you as a victim. You "need" something because you personally choose to place it on the "need" list. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24920 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Love the auto v Semi argument... ...all forgot one thing... ..DEAD is DEAD & the dead don't care what shot them! |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Personal choice is not defined as a need. Psychologists see it differently. Someone might justify a gun to provide for their need for safety. If someone genuinely feels a gun makes them safer then it would appear to be a 'need' to them. However, many people disagree that guns do actually make you safer, mainly those who examine the evidence rather than how they feel about it. Reality Internet Personality |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
How many people NEED semi-automatic assault rifles? Is that really the choice? It's either protect an individual's freedom to own a semi-automatic rifle OR all hail big brother? There aren't any other possibilities? I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
Yes, that is the exact choice. It is a binary choice. One or the other. If a person does not understand this, they are part of the problem. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24920 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Depends on what you mean by "understanding". Following all the gun related threads, my understanding is this, so correct if wrong. 1: For normal home defence against armed intruders, shouldn't a handgun be sufficient? 2: Semi or even full auto weaponry are needed for protection from a tyrannical federal government. With the ease that semi's are available, Orlando & others will continue to happen. So what is the solution to that? |
j mercer Send message Joined: 3 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 12,323,733 RAC: 1 |
Depends on what you mean by "understanding". I correct no one but speak only for my self. Someone asked me once what was I afraid of and I replied "nothing". Har!! 1)- I prefer not to be out gunned by intruders of any kind so handguns are at the bottom of the list of weapons. 2)- Semi or even full auto weapons are preferred for any and all defenses/intruders. 3)- Who ever has the most fire power wins. A side note most weapons sold to civilians are not capable of full auto mostly because the receiver is not machined out to hold those full auto parts. You can't put them in the weapon. Full Autos have been illegal since 1986, but fortunately pre-86 full autos are still legal and transferable to civilians. Prices have went up considerably, as you might imagine. $20,000 for a pre-86 transferable MP5 or MP5k. Full autos are legal in at least 25 different states. The firearm must have been registered with the BATFE by May 1986- no additional full autos may be transferred to a private citizen. Transfer is handled through a licensed machine gun dealer in your home state, and requires fingerprinting, approval from your Chief Law Enforcment Officer, a background check by the BATFE, and payment of a one time $200 transfer tax. “Burst fire†is still classed as a machine gun. A LEGAL, TRANSFERRABLE full auto will cost several thousand dollars, due to the finite supply of them. An M16 rifle is currently selling for around $15,000-$16,000. Some states have more restrictive laws that do not permit possession. ... |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24920 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
I like your numbered answers :-) Seriously, good explanation , thanks. Is that near enough the same for semi's? |
j mercer Send message Joined: 3 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 12,323,733 RAC: 1 |
Is that near enough the same for semi's? TY Sorry I do not understand your question. Semi-autos are legal in most places and are not covered in the full-auto rules I pointed out. Most states have a 5 round max capacity for hunting with semi-auto magazine fed weapon. You have to be using a 5 round magazine or one that is blocked off and only holds 5 rounds when hunting. I hunt with a 308/7.62 M1A and a 20 round mag (semi-auto civilian version of a M-14) and have been stopped every time by Game Warden to check my magazine for 5 round capacity. Non compliance is lose of permit/weapon and possible jail time. Game Wardens/Park Rangers around here (Washington state) pack major heat and are trained for it. ... |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24920 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
No worry, you've answered it for me. I should have asked if there is fingerprinting & backgrounds that's all. |
j mercer Send message Joined: 3 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 12,323,733 RAC: 1 |
I should have asked if there is fingerprinting & backgrounds that's all. Here's for my state. To purchase no finger printing but background checks by dealers. http://smartgunlaws.org/background-checks-in-washington/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Washington For concealed permit it is State's Driver's License, finger prints and FBI background check through City/County level law enforcement. With a concealed permit there is no waiting or check to purchase in my state. ... |
j mercer Send message Joined: 3 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 12,323,733 RAC: 1 |
Forgot to add: "In 2014, Washington became the first state in the nation to pass a universal background checks law by voter initiative. The law requires all private sales of firearms to be conducted through a federally licensed firearms dealer who will conduct a background check on the private buyer. Washington also requires law enforcement to run a background check before returning a confiscated firearm." http://smartgunlaws.org/background-checks-in-washington ... |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
2: Semi or even full auto weaponry are needed for protection from a tyrannical federal government. Not really. In both Sweden and Norway we use semi-automatic rifles when hunting. Even weapons like Ruger Mini-14 used by Anders Breivik. Yes hunting. You need a hunting license and the police check your background. Semi-automatic rifles are weapons made to kill. Ruger Mini-14 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej39umHaB08 What about using it for protection? They are very good at it, but is it a must to kill offenders instead of disable them with a smaller weapon? |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19417 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
If US citizens are so concerned about their safety and insist that semi-auto assault rifles are and absolute essential for their safety, then do they, as any soldier on active duty does, sleep with it? |
j mercer Send message Joined: 3 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 12,323,733 RAC: 1 |
If US citizens are so concerned about their safety and insist that semi-auto assault rifles are and absolute essential for their safety, then do they, as any soldier on active duty does, sleep with it? No semi-auto assault rifles are major cover hogs so mine sleeps on the floor next to the dog. ... |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Need is a personal choice. You chose to need gravity, air, water, food, shelter Sometimes Gary you can say some very silly things . The above things are not a choice if you don't have them you die however a Assault rifle is not something you need to survive it is a choice and a choice most do not need . |
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