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Message 2046382 - Posted: 22 Apr 2020, 16:57:55 UTC - in response to Message 2046379.  
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Between 2009 and 2016, sixty three percent of mass shootings happened within private homes. - Louis Klarevas in "Rampage Nation: Securing America from Mass Shootings"

For any figures to stand up you need to make absolute definitions of "mass shootings" and "Mass Murder" , including location, and gun-free zones. I suspect you are the FBI definition of "Mass Murder" as the definition of "Mass Shooting". They are not the same.

edit] And your quote, obviously taken from the same source as the one you always believe, got his.
“98 percent of mass public shootings have occurred in places where guns are banned, just so you understand.”
— President Trump, speaking to the National Rifle Association, May 4, 2018
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Message 2046522 - Posted: 23 Apr 2020, 14:38:29 UTC

https://news.yahoo.com/video/yahoo-news-yougov-poll-trump-133749842.html
Voters who cast their ballots for Donald Trump in 2016 are more likely than voters who cast their ballots for Hillary Clinton to say that they have “cheated” on social distancing during the coronavirus pandemic — and much less likely to say they will continue to obey their state’s lockdown order as long as it’s in effect.

Have we found the first quick test of potential to be criminal and hence denied access to a firearm? GOP views? (Obviously not universal but statistically significant)

We have heard time and time again that criminals will never give up their guns. Is this the same as cheating on social distancing? Are they simply describing who they know best, themselves?

Perhaps it is time to add a question on the universal gun tax registration form for political party affiliation. Then depending on the answer require a MMPI to be attached before issuance.
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Message 2046545 - Posted: 23 Apr 2020, 15:56:29 UTC

Just got a link to this, includes the latest updates for April 2020. I've not read it yet so making no observations.

Rand Corp. - Gun Policy in America
Facts About the Effects of Gun Policies Are Elusive but Important
RAND's Gun Policy in America initiative provides information on what scientific research can tell us about the effects of gun laws. Our goal is to establish a shared set of facts that will improve public discussions and support the development of fair and effective gun policies.

We analyzed thousands of studies to examine the effects of gun policies on defensive gun use, hunting participation, suicide rates, and other outcomes. We also evaluated the views of gun policy experts who have opposing perspectives on the likely effects of gun laws to understand where disagreements exist and where compromise might be possible.

By exploring this project, you can view summaries of our key findings, delve into our analysis of the existing evidence base, learn how the experts think policies would affect outcomes, download our historical database of state gun laws, and access the supporting research reports.
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Message 2046559 - Posted: 23 Apr 2020, 17:34:50 UTC

Just got a link to this, includes the latest updates for April 2020. I've not read it yet so making no observations.
https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy.html
I just lightly reviewed the link and would be interested in hearing your opinion after you have done so.

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Message 2046567 - Posted: 23 Apr 2020, 19:07:59 UTC - in response to Message 2046379.  
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https://spectator.org/mass-shootings-in-gun-free-zones/
According to ABC News, El Paso law enforcement officials advise that, moments before his killing rampage, the shooter cased the Walmart “looking for Mexicans.” While that may be so, it is nevertheless true that, consistent with his “manifesto,” his recon was also calculated to make sure that he would be attacking in a low-security area. In that regard, the Walmart store had no armed security guard, no police presence, and was located in a shopping mall that was a self-proclaimed “gun-free zone.”

....According to the Crime Prevention Research Center, between 1950 and 2018 97.8 percent of all mass public shootings occurred in gun-free zones. Similarly, in the 20 states that allow teachers to be armed, there have been no school shootings (as well as no accidents or injuries caused by firearms possessed by teachers).


Several other instances are referenced in the article and a simple internet search provides several other sources and common sense would also indicate the uselessness of "Gun Free(read "no retaliation") Zones".


Using an ultra right wing not for profit to proliferate an agenda. Never saw that one coming. 1950 and 2018. That seems kinda arbitrary. Since gun laws and restrictions didn't become a big thing until the NRA went nuclear in the early 1970's with the all Guns are good and its not guns that kill people its people routine.
It's funny how a gun will never kill anyone unless someone pulls the trigger. Fun fact. Not having guns achieves the same result without having to have a gun attached to the sentence,

and the number 97.8 % seems a bit odd. but lets go with it. Yes churches schools and concerts are gun free zones. Whats your point other than guns are bad.
Also of note is the fact that having a gun in public doesn't anyone more safe that not having it. There are laundry lists of people that found having a gun was a detriment in a live fire situation and they were likely to get targeted by either the police or other "good" gun guys. So no not good.
I can personally speak about an octagenarian that was eating at a local restaurant and had his revolver in plain sight. The idea that that weapon made him or his wife safe is stupendously stupid. A high school student could have easily disarmed and murdered both of them without even trying very hard. It's pointless to have the weapon if you are incapable of keeping it from someone trying to take it. BTW that restaurant was full. It's not like he needed to protect himself or me from anyone.


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Message 2046615 - Posted: 23 Apr 2020, 21:42:54 UTC

I can personally speak about an octagenarian that was eating at a local restaurant and had his revolver in plain sight.


.....if no one accosted, assaulted or violently approached them during your observation I would have to say the revolver had the intended effect.....

.....but of course, that's just 'anecdotal'..........

I suggest you go to the link to the Rand Corporation study provided by WK-666 and thoroughly read the section on 'Concealed Carry'.

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Message 2046622 - Posted: 23 Apr 2020, 21:59:00 UTC

On the "Effects of Concealed-Carry Laws", on the may increase side violent crime but inconclusive and on may decrease side "We found no qualifying studies showing that concealed-carry laws decreased any of the eight outcomes we investigated.".

So?
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Message 2046882 - Posted: 25 Apr 2020, 4:39:47 UTC

First-Time Buyers Explain Why Coronavirus Drove Them to Gun Stores in Record Numbers
More than 2 million guns sold in March
https://freebeacon.com/coronavirus/first-time-buyers-explain-why-coronavirus-drove-them-to-gun-stores-in-record-numbers/?fbclid=IwAR0Mrb5zmASBdUpcFEtKDLk0blWz-yFSs3m0pGcP8wZmPvhKi21jLoG6IqM

Many of the new gun owners cited concerns about personal protection as states began emptying jail cells and police departments announced they would no longer enforce certain laws. Jake Wilhelm, a Virginia-based environmental consultant and lacrosse coach, purchased a Sig Sauer P226 after seeing Italy enact a nationwide lockdown on March 9.

"[My fiancée and I] came to the conclusion in early March that if a nation like Italy was going into full lockdown, we in the U.S. were likely on the same path," Wilhelm said. "Given that, and knowing that police resources would be stretched to the max, I decided to purchase a handgun."


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Message 2046886 - Posted: 25 Apr 2020, 6:14:00 UTC

Yep, there are just far too many crazies over there and your leader is the pinnacle of them all.
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Message 2047449 - Posted: 28 Apr 2020, 20:15:21 UTC - in response to Message 2047318.  

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Message 2047464 - Posted: 28 Apr 2020, 22:19:43 UTC

https://www.foxnews.com/us/gun-manufacturers-join-coronavirus-fight
US gun manufacturers join coronavirus fight by reproducing PPE

Aren't guns considered PPE? Or did they just admit they have no Personal Protective Equipment function!
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Message 2047829 - Posted: 1 May 2020, 18:41:09 UTC

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Message 2047833 - Posted: 1 May 2020, 20:35:24 UTC - in response to Message 2047829.  

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From the link....
..."The ban is controversial politically. A petition against the ban started by Conservative MP Glen Motz in December has more than 175,000 e-signatures. "

"The Globe and Mail reported that leaked documents show the buy-back programme would be voluntary, and licensed owners would have their guns grandfathered. Mr Trudeau had previously promised the programme would be mandatory.

On Friday, Mr Trudeau would not confirm whether buy-backs would be voluntary, but reiterated the buy-back programme would have to be supported by other parties, and be fair to everyone."

"The next steps need to be ironed out," he said.


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Message 2047860 - Posted: 2 May 2020, 1:21:47 UTC

Go Trudeau!!!

It's finally time to bring Canada into line with most of the rest of the Commonwealth. ;-)
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Message 2048143 - Posted: 4 May 2020, 21:37:15 UTC

If COVID-19 doesn't get you, a neighbour will. :-(
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Message 2048380 - Posted: 7 May 2020, 2:21:17 UTC

Bet they don't know they are communist:
Karl Marx wrote:
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.”
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