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moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
... and the world is a much more dangerous place today than it was then. So that's why the American public arm themself so much. Beliving that a new Civil War will start in the US in the near future. Sigh.... Don't you have an Army? |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19072 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
In your next post you said 'its 2018, not 1600.... Yes, it is, and the world is a much more dangerous place today than it was then. We in Europe and the other English speaking countries would disagree. So if that is your view then I suggest you move to a safer country. https://ourworldindata.org/homicides |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
There you have it people, right from the horse's mouth - The highest passion in America today. THE 2ND AMENDMENT Ratified on December 15 1791... ...it is now March 8 2018. So much for entering the 21st century. I wonder which is worse? An Islamic extremist wanting to take the world back to the 13th century or America keeping the Union stuck in the 18th? Edited to correct an omission :-) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
How about North Korea? They need assistance with freeing from enslavement :-) |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Sorry posters. Sirius B reply is in reference to the North Korea Forum, Where he believes the above. But North Korea has Gun Laws as well. Always nice to have something to compare with. http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/north-korea Oh. In North Korea, no civilians may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition. |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3776 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Ah but isn't that one of the reasons why they have their own arms, to prevent enslavement. It took a bloody civil war & a proclamation which sadly took no real effect until the 1960's with the civil rights movement. So in that respect North Korea still has a good few years before they fight amongst themselves to free themselves. Isn't causing unnecessary fear a form of enslavement in itself? How many more school tragedies must America endure before they wake up? |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
I hear where coming from MK but truth be told America and it's very very very old 2nd amendment, Yes, kids are very badly behaved these days. I agree. But the solution is to straighten out the kids, not get rid of the firearms. You know... Teach them right from wrong... But then, many parents these days just can't be arsed to spend the time to do that. You can't legally get a gun like 'candy'. That, and they tend to be somewhat expensive (over US$ 1000). but least I can walk down a dark path and not be to worried What, you've never been mugged? I was once... Once... You don't need a gun to mug someone. A knife or a club works just as well as does a can of pepper spray. Baseball bats work pretty good too. A good legal club... Maglite 6D 19 1/2 inches long, 2 inches in diameter, weighing 3 pounds 2 ounces (with batteries). Totally legal. US$30 flashlight, US$5.50 worth of batteries... And why do you all keep mentioning the 2nd Amendment... The US Constitution grants NO rights to anyone. The right of self-defense and the right to keep and bear arms are inalienable human rights we ALL have because we are human. A forcibly disarmed person is a slave. If you Australians want to make slaves of yourselves, that is you all's business... But why try to push it over here? Misery loves company? https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE #Texit Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016. Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
And why do you all keep mentioning the 2nd Amendment... The US Constitution grants NO rights to anyone.We did not do that, it was you Yanks that started that ball rolling. All we asked was WHY do individuals need to possess SAW's which should only be in the hands of your military. Unfortunately, several Yanks on here threw the 2nd amendment at us. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
The right of self-defense and the right to keep and bear arms are inalienable human rights we ALL have because we are human. That goes for many other countries as well. With one exeption in most European countries. The right to keep and bear arms is restricted for obvoius reasons. More restrictions than in the US. But we still have the right to use arms for self-defense. In Sweden it's called the privilege to keep and bear arms. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19072 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
A forcibly disarmed person is a slave. But are they forcibly disarmed if they chose through their votes to be disarmed. I think not. |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3776 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
A forcibly disarmed person is a slave. Then you are already a slave... you were forcibly disarmed of your full-auto firearms, short-barrelled rifles, short-barrelled shotguns, silencers and hand grenades in 1934. Still no takers on why this is OK but restricting semi-auto assault rifles with large magazines is not. Oh, right... the impending zombie apocalypse. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Still no takers on why this is OK but restricting semi-auto assault rifles with large magazines is not. Oh, right... the impending zombie apocalypse. You're being rational, this subject is not for the sound of mind. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Still no takers on why this is OK but restricting semi-auto assault rifles with large magazines is not. Oh, right... the impending zombie apocalypse. But that's what make the 2'nd great and needed. You can interpret it to what ever you like. The right to bear arms can mean every type of arm/weapon you like. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
The problem with the 2nd Amendment is that at the time it was ratified, these were the weapons available As Hiram Maxim found to his cost in 1912, most politicians, bureaucrats & senior military commanders did not care for "new fangled" inventions. Being turned down by Britain, he went to Germany where by the start of WW1 12,000 had been produced. By the end of the war it was 100,000. WW1 showed just how deadly future weaponry can be. The problems faced Maxim was an attitude that prevailed for centuries, until one nation adapted the new weapons. In the case of automatic weapons, it was Germany in 1912. What politicians & bureaucrats need to do is to just like modern weaponry, modernise the 2nd Amendment. Unfortunately, the biggest veto for that lies with the NRA... ...in other words, hell will freeze over before that modernisation can take place. |
Siran d'Vel'nahr Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7379 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238 |
Sorry posters. Sirius B reply is in reference to the North Korea Forum, Where he believes the above. Because they have a paranoid psychopath for a leader, afraid someone might shoot him. lol :D Siran CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
The problem with the 2nd Amendment is that at the time it was ratified Yes. And at that time the US not didn't even have a well regulated militia, that the founders of the US Constitution was thinking of. Appropiate then, but now more then 200 years later... NRA. Over my cold dead hands:( |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Sorry posters. Sirius B reply is in reference to the North Korea Forum, Where he believes the above. LOL. In North Korea they really need something like the 2'nd amendent. Just as your forefathers was thinking of when writing the US Constitution for more than 200 years ago. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
SCOTUS recently ruled that the 2nd Amendment also included an Americans Right to Keep and Bear Arms. True. Which means the interpretion of the US Constitution can be changed over time. Yes. Even the 2'nd amendment:) But please read further. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/second_amendment The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Such language has created considerable debate regarding the Amendment's intended scope. Does any American today know the language spoken in the US for over 200 hundred years ago? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk3GUp8PFlM |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
A forcibly disarmed person is a slave. Yes, it is forcible. That is an example of tyranny of the majority (using the police powers of the Government to force people to give up their rights). That phrase was coined by Alexis de Tocqueville in his 'Democracy in America', and made a lot more famous by John Stuart Mill in his 'On Liberty'. https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE #Texit Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016. Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power. |
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