Just a note:

As a person trained and experienced in these matters. I sometimes forget the ignorance of many. And I mistakenly believe they understand.

Their ignorance is understandable.

My forgetting this. Is not.

As is yours. Your whole post is nothing but a blatantly ignorant & arrogant insult. Taking into account what you have told people on these boards, it has to be at least 4 decades since you were trained in said weaponry, so whatever experience you have is much dulled by this time.

As for myself, it has been just over 3.5 decades since said training. If the weapons I trained on were put in front of me now, I dare say I would still be able to strip, clean & reassemble in a good enough time & use on a firing range with proficiency, BUT nowhere as effective speed wise compared to my younger days.

Just like myself, you are just one of millions trained in the use of said weapons over the years. I'll also lay odds that many who have been would compare quite favourably to your training & experience, so have the good grace to to realise that & not imply that most are ignorant.

The Earth is not flat, so Americans shouldn't fear that should they arrive at the edge of their own continent, they'll fall off!

•Explosive possessed by Stephen Paddock may have been used in NYC bombing•
An explosive compound like the one found in Las Vegas mass shooter Stephen Paddock’s car and home is believed to have been used last year in an alleged terrorist bombing in New York City.
Authorities later arrested Ahmed Rahami, an Afghan immigrant, and charged him with federal terrorism and weapons offenses in connection with that bombing and two others in New Jersey.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the-strip/explosive-possessed-by-stephen-paddock-may-have-been-used-in-nyc-bombing/
If confirmed. Perhaps we should think about what happened in a different light.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/las-vegas-shooting-bomb-stephen-paddock-car-ammonium-nitrate-ingredient-latest-a7979796.html
The parallels to Anders Breivik, Norway is quite similar.
Tannerite comprises a combination of ammonium nitrate and/or ammonium perchlorate (oxidizers)
Ammonium nitrate is also used as a fertilizer and easily accessed.
When mixed with a fuel, primarily aluminum powder, you got yourself a bomb!
And it's used in solid rocket boosters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30KSt4Iy9Q8

•Explosive possessed by Stephen Paddock may have been used in NYC bombing•
An explosive compound like the one found in Las Vegas mass shooter Stephen Paddock’s car and home is believed to have been used last year in an alleged terrorist bombing in New York City.
Authorities later arrested Ahmed Rahami, an Afghan immigrant, and charged him with federal terrorism and weapons offenses in connection with that bombing and two others in New Jersey.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the-strip/explosive-possessed-by-stephen-paddock-may-have-been-used-in-nyc-bombing/
If confirmed. Perhaps we should think about what happened in a different light.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/las-vegas-shooting-bomb-stephen-paddock-car-ammonium-nitrate-ingredient-latest-a7979796.html
The parallels to Anders Breivik, Norway is quite similar.
Tannerite comprises a combination of ammonium nitrate and/or ammonium perchlorate (oxidizers)
Ammonium nitrate is also used as a fertilizer and easily accessed.
When mixed with a fuel, primarily aluminum powder, you got yourself a bomb!
And it's used in solid rocket boosters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30KSt4Iy9Q8

Why go to all that trouble? If one has the ammonium nitrate (a fertilizer -- used on farms -- legal to buy), one really only needs some diesel fuel (also used on farms to fuel the tractors, etc. -- also legal to buy) and one has a big (ANFO -- ammonium nitrate/fuel oil) bomb... think of the Oklahoma City bombing of that Federal building.

Tannerite is not really considered to be all that dangerous... ANFO *IS*.

This is what a small bob-tail truck load of ANFO can do...




Perhaps I feel differently than many/most of you, but I am a LOT more concerned about some crazy POSOB with a truck load of ANFO (or indeed any one of a number of other combinations of legal, commonly available things found in many people's kitchens) than I am about a crazy POSOB with an armload of guns. Sorry, but explosives are just too easy to make, as are quite a number of chemical weapons and other poisons.

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https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

One has to ask what the Ammonium Nitrate in his car was for? Perhaps the fuel depot at McCaren where he had a couple rounds into the tank farm. Jet fuel and diesel aren't that far apart. A Tannerite detonator? The rounds into the tank farm might have been interesting if they were tracers.

.."the only way to stop a bad man with a gun, is a good man with a gun".

But there's never a "good man" around because they're running for their lives just like everyone else.

So that statement is just plain utter B.S. (as always) and those that use it are just brainwashed idiots who don't have a clue to start with.

No cheers.

Not really, it's just that the American Media is so far left nowadays. that the only place you'll find the stories of someone using their weapon to save somebody is on the conservative websites which the liberal half of this country refuse to believe.

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... and still I fear, and still I dare not laugh at the Mad Man!

Queen - The Prophet's Song

.."the only way to stop a bad man with a gun, is a good man with a gun".

But there's never a "good man" around because they're running for their lives just like everyone else.

So that statement is just plain utter B.S. (as always) and those that use it are just brainwashed idiots who don't have a clue to start with.

No cheers.

Not really, it's just that the American Media is so far left nowadays. that the only place you'll find the stories of someone using their weapon to save somebody is on the conservative websites which the liberal half of this country refuse to believe.

There is a 2014 report by the FBI, covering period from 2010 till 2013, that disagrees with your beliefs. http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2014/september/fbi-releases-study-on-active-shooter-incidents/pdfs/a-study-of-active-shooter-incidents-in-the-u.s.-between-2000-and-2013

This could be a clue why the constitution is written as it is.


Just about everywhere was rural and therefore firearms could possibly be an essential item for survival.

But it ain't so now. Therefore let the constitution evolve to present conditions.

If we travel down that disastrous road to 'easily' change one part we disagree with.

Who's the 'we'?

All our Freedoms will be held hostage.

Aren't they already. The present subject is evidence of that, as some people own firearms because they assume everybody else does and are therefore a threat and they think, wrongly in most cases, that owning a gun is protection. In most cases a gun is a liability.

Maybe the best idea would be to revert all firearms in the U.S. back to those used when that 18th century Constitution was written.

Muzzle loaders. ;-)

A good marksman back then could fire off a shot every 30 seconds but most might get 1 shot off every minute.

Cheers.

This could be a clue why the constitution is written as it is.

Just about everywhere was rural and therefore firearms could possibly be an essential item for survival.

There is a problem with that map; it is racist.

Big time.

+1

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.."the only way to stop a bad man with a gun, is a good man with a gun".

But there's never a "good man" around because they're running for their lives just like everyone else.

So that statement is just plain utter B.S. (as always) and those that use it are just brainwashed idiots who don't have a clue to start with.

No cheers.

Not really, it's just that the American Media is so far left nowadays. that the only place you'll find the stories of someone using their weapon to save somebody is on the conservative websites which the liberal half of this country refuse to believe.

There is a 2014 report by the FBI, covering the period from 2010 till 2013, that disagrees with your beliefs. http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2014/september/fbi-releases-study-on-active-shooter-incidents/pdfs/a-study-of-active-shooter-incidents-in-the-u.s.-between-2000-and-2013

From the conclusion of that report: "And in 6 other incidents, armed off-duty police officers, citizens, and security guards risked their lives to successfully end the threat. These actions likely saved the lives of students and others present."

From the introduction: "This is not a study of mass killings or mass shootings, but rather a study of a specific type of shooting situation law enforcement and the public may face. Incidents identified in this study do not encompass all gun-related situations; therefore caution should be taken when using this information without placing it in context."

The only story I remember the Mainstream Media covering in the last tens years is this one: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/01/13/armed-civilian-kills-suspect-saving-life-of-ariz-trooper-ambushed-on-highway/?utm_term=.ff247279ed34

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... and still I fear, and still I dare not laugh at the Mad Man!

Queen - The Prophet's Song

I remember several others.... but I do hang out at odd news sites. :^)

Gun in hand, woman saves boyfriend in attack over blowing leaves

Meet the pistol-packing nurse who saved white man from a Detroit mob after he accidentally hit a 10-year-old black boy

Florida Man, 71, Shoots at Alleged Robbers at Internet Cafe

Philadelphia-area hospital shooting ended by armed doctor, cops say

I am sure there are plenty more... if one looks.

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I remember several others.... but I do hang out at odd news sites. :^)

Gun in hand, woman saves boyfriend in attack over blowing leaves

Meet the pistol-packing nurse who saved white man from a Detroit mob after he accidentally hit a 10-year-old black boy

Florida Man, 71, Shoots at Alleged Robbers at Internet Cafe

Philadelphia-area hospital shooting ended by armed doctor, cops say

I am sure there are plenty more... if one looks.

But there are some claims that don't stand up to scrutiny, Do Armed Civilians Stop Mass Shooters? Actually, No. - Five cases commonly cited as a rationale for arming Americans don’t stand up to scrutiny.

Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation expert Ted Miller told Newsweek the Las Vegas tragedy will likely cost more than $771 million in terms of medical bills, mental healthcare, physical therapy, loss of income and police work following the crisis.

Now that will burn a huge hole in peoples' pockets.

No amount of stupid pro-gun excuses will cut those costs down, but those excuses will be continually aired by every gun idiot out there.

In the developed world, these levels of gun violence are a uniquely American problem. Here’s why.

Comparing the Las Vegas Attack With Daily Gun Deaths in U.S. Cities.

Absolutely nothing to be proud about here and no cheers either.

But there are some claims that don't stand up to scrutiny.

Probably, but I'm only providing examples that I know of... I'm not advocating one way or another.

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No amount of stupid pro-gun excuses will cut those costs down, but those excuses will be continually aired by every gun idiot out there.

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Wiggo, I take great exception to you calling ME an idiot. I have 2 rifles. Used to have 3 but gave my late father's hunting rifle to my younger brother to keep it in the family.

I would like an apology from you for calling EVERY law abiding gun owner an idiot! And I want it TODAY!

No amount of crap spewed by you foreigners will change any thing. All you will do is alienate people like me and others here that are law abiding gun owners.

Once I see your apology, you will go to my ignore list so I won't have to see the crap you spew any longer.

Siran

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

Don't hold your breath there waiting for it then. ;-)

Cheers.

Don't hold your breath there waiting for it then. ;-)

Cheers.

Fine, to my ignore list you go!

NO CHEERS!

Siran

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

No amount of crap spewed by you foreigners will change any thing.

That's okay, we'll just sit back & watch all the crap spewed from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.