And the stupidity continues, doesn't it?

Cheers.

It's a Darwinian thing, those who aren't smart enough to control what is killing them will be killed.

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Due to FOPA, the ATF ruling on this was that it only applies to full-auto firearms manufactured during or after 1986. Anything beforehand is exempt in Nevada.

Edit: A story on this from today. They need only be registered; anyone who can legally own any firearm can do so.

While it might be legal for a private citizen to own/possess an automatic weapon, it is HIGHLY restricted.

Essentially, automatic weapons are extremely expensive collectibles/collectors items for the VERY wealthy.

Also:

1. There are a few states where 'NFA weapons', especially automatic weapons, are not allowed.
2. As part of the application to the BATF, the signature of the County Sheriff is required. Some County Sheriffs have a policy of NO.
3. The automatic weapon must have been made prior to May 19, 1986. The newest possible automatic weapon that can legally be bought by a citizen is over 31 years old.
4. There are only about 512,000 automatic weapons legally in circulation in the USA, i'm told. I have also seen figures as low as 150,000. Supply and demand. They are gonna be expensive.
5. You MUST engage the services of a Class III Federally licensed firearms dealer as part of the process. Likely they are going to charge a fee for their services. I dunno how much, never tried to do this.
6. $200 application fee (not refundable) to the BATF.
7. Very very extensive background check by the BATF on you.
8. You must find someone that owns a legal automatic weapon that is willing to sell it to you, buy it, and have it shipped to the Class III federally licensed firearms dealer that has agreed to help you, before any of the other steps can be started. If you get denied, you can't legally possess the automatic weapon and will need to sell it... likely at a loss.
9. Most of these weapons are part of collections. A large number are part of WWII collections.

It ain't easy, and far from a sure thing. Your State can say 'no'. Your County Sheriff can say 'no'. The BATF can say 'no'. You might (rather likely) not find one you can afford.

And as far as your first line:

Due to FOPA, the ATF ruling on this was that it only applies to full-auto firearms manufactured during or after 1986. Anything beforehand is exempt in Nevada.

As I said, FOPA (federal law) will only allow the transfer (sale) of automatic weapons by civilians IF the weapon was manufactured on or before May 19, 1986. If it was not manufactured on or before that date, it CAN NOT be legally transferred (sold) to a civilian in the USA. The State of Nevada does not further restrict this (unlike States such as California, New York, etc.) and just lets Federal Law control it.

FOPA tightened the restrictions that were placed on certain weapons by the NFA (full-auto being only one type -- short barreled shotguns and short barreled rifles being two of the others).

Another thing... on that link from daily kos you linked...

You and a companion will shoot a M4, AK-47, SAW, RPD, MP5, Thompson, SCAR, UZI, P90, G36, 1911 and a Desert Eagle all in the comfort of our private shooting range.

That excerpt from a different website... ROFLMAO.

M4 (25 Rounds)
AK-47 (25 Rounds)
SAW (40 Rounds)
RPD (40 Rounds)
MP5 (25 Rounds)
Thompson (25 Rounds)
SCAR (25 Rounds
UZI (25 Rounds)
P90 (25 Rounds)
G36 (25 Rounds)
1911 (7 Rounds)
Desert Eagle (5 Rounds)

As you can see, the included ammo is somewhat limited.

Also, not all of those are 'automatic' weapons.

The 1911 is a .45 pistol. The Desert Eagle is a .50 pistol. Both totally legal.

Man, you (and your friend) could probably be done with all of that in just a few minutes.

Oh, just in case you were wondering... It is AT that gun range's gun range. And the price for you (and your friend) is quite steep. US$ 999.95. Though for another US$ 320.00, they will double the rounds and give you a free t-shirt. BAHH.

Now then... For myself, I have no NEED nor do I have a use for an automatic weapon. I have no desire for one either. I prefer to hit what I shoot at, and the way the barrel 'walks' when you are firing an automatic weapon, one might hit what one is shooting at with the FIRST shot. Waste of good ammo, not to mention rather dangerous.

@ Clyde:

Yes, you can get 'conversion kits' for some semi-automatic weapons. But the moment they are installed, it becomes an illegal automatic weapon.

If you want to get an automatic weapon for some evil, illegal purpose... Well... It is likely cheaper and quicker to just illegally go buy an illegal automatic weapon from some illegal black market. The legal process for getting an automatic weapon is expensive (US$12,000.00 is about as low as I have recently seen, and they go MUCH higher), and rather time-consuming (the BATF portion takes at least 8 months, i'm told).

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

This one might be a surprise. He may have actually had the required cash to legally own. The zero contacts with law enforcement is also a requirement as is US citizen. BATF will eventually let us know the registration status of the weapons.

If it wasn't legal then a paper your a$$ gun control law was already violated. What makes anyone think another law would help?

PS, this federal gun control is from 1935.

<ed>reports are the weapons were illegally converted.

For good or bad. There will be no substantial change regarding an Individual's Constitutional Right (execpting mentally ill, criminal conviction, etc.) to own a gun. Which the Supreme Court recently affirmed.

taing into account the legal restrictions & requirements as superbly clarified by several posts already.

Although most of those complications merely slow down the process rather than negating it (also yes the article listed a lot of non-auto weapons... only the first part was relevant) I really appreciate the detail and effort you put into your writing!

Regarding automatics rising and throwing off one's aim, the saddest example I've seen of this is the range instructor who was accidentally shot dead by this effect because they allowed a full-auto Uzi to be fired by a nine-year-old girl.

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For good or bad. There will be no substantial change regarding an Individual's Constitutional Right (execpting mentally ill, criminal conviction, etc.) to own a gun. Which the Supreme Court recently affirmed.

As I posted earlier this is quite Darwinian, if you are too stupid to stop or prevent what is killing you, you will be killed. You are stating that the stupid deserve to die.

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For good or bad. There will be no substantial change regarding an Individual's Constitutional Right (excepting mentally ill, criminal conviction, etc.) to own a gun. Which the Supreme Court recently affirmed.

As I posted earlier this is quite Darwinian, if you are too stupid to stop or prevent what is killing you, you will be killed. You are stating that the stupid deserve to die.

The second amendment's purpose is to protect the right of the people to protect themselves from enemies both foreign and domestic and even more important, from a government that may get out of control. One of the best comments on the news channels today was for people to look at London in the UK and Spain and other EU countries that have complete gun control over their people, but it isn't preventing harm from terrorists, is it? As for the Australian gun turn-in program, does anybody down under really believe that criminals are going to surrender their weapons voluntarily? Sane people take out their killing fantasies by playing FPS games. It is why Players Unknown Battleground is rapidly becoming the number one streaming game, unfortunately, criminals and crazy people do it in real life and there really isn't much that can be done about it.

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... and still I fear, and still I dare not laugh at the Mad Man!

Queen - The Prophet's Song

As for the Australian gun turn-in program, does anybody down under really believe that criminals are going to surrender their weapons voluntarily?

In 1996, Australia Enacted Strict Gun Laws. It Hasn't Had a Mass Shooting Since.

Australia's Lessons on Gun Control.

Overall all firearms offenses here are only a fraction of what they were before gun controls were introduced.

Our biggest problem now are illegal firearms being brought in by European, Middle East, Asian crime gangs and the biggest problem of them all ATM are the American Outlaw Bikie gangs with affiliated clubs here.

You can't put brains into the stupid, idiots, those who pull their puds or those that continually play with their backsides, but you can put the brakes on gun crime if you're serious about it. ;-)

Cheers.

The parents of the girl, who were standing nearby. Signed all the waivers, prior to their child's handling of the Fully Automatic weapon.

No criminal charges were ever prepared. With the Sheriff's Office declining an Arrest and the Prosecutor's Office declining Prosecution.

For an ex-soldier/police officer, that is the most irresponsible comment you've ever made.

Hmm, some people are so blind to the obvious & all because they want the i's dotted & the t's crossed.

One of the best comments on the news channels today was for people to look at London in the UK and Spain and other EU countries that have complete gun control over their people, but it isn't preventing harm from terrorists, is it?

Compared to America, most of the incidents were caused by bombs not semi-automatic/automatic weapons.

2ndly, how many terrorist attacks have we had & compare that to the number of mass shootings in America.

Police search for motive

For good or bad. There will be no substantial change regarding an Individual's Constitutional Right (excepting mentally ill, criminal conviction, etc.) to own a gun. Which the Supreme Court recently affirmed.

As I posted earlier this is quite Darwinian, if you are too stupid to stop or prevent what is killing you, you will be killed. You are stating that the stupid deserve to die.

The second amendment's purpose is to protect the right of the people to protect themselves from enemies both foreign and domestic and even more important, from a government that may get out of control. One of the best comments on the news channels today was for people to look at London in the UK and Spain and other EU countries that have complete gun control over their people, but it isn't preventing harm from terrorists, is it? As for the Australian gun turn-in program, does anybody down under really believe that criminals are going to surrender their weapons voluntarily? Sane people take out their killing fantasies by playing FPS games. It is why Players Unknown Battleground is rapidly becoming the number one streaming game, unfortunately, criminals and crazy people do it in real life and there really isn't much that can be done about it.

‘I cannot express how wrong I was’: Country guitarist changes mind on gun control after Vegas

However, one member of the band went even further, posting a lengthy message on Twitter about his personal response to the attack. After spending the night fearing for his life, Caleb Keeter, the group’s lead guitarist, spoke up about gun control.
“I’ve been a proponent of the 2nd amendment my entire life. Until the events of last night. I cannot express how wrong I was. We actually have members of our crew with [Concealed Handgun Licenses], and legal firearms on the bus,” Keeter wrote. “They were useless.” He continued:

We couldn’t touch them for fear police might think we were part of the massacre and shoot us. A small group (or one man) laid waste to a city with dedicated, fearless police officers desperately trying to help, because of access to an insane amount of fire power.

Enough is enough.

Writing my parents and the love of my life a goodbye last night and a living will because I felt like I wasn’t going to live through the night was enough for me to realize that this is completely and totally out of hand. These rounds were just powerful enough that my crew guys just standing in close proximity of a victim shot by this f—ing coward received shrapnel wounds.

We need gun control RIGHT. NOW. My biggest regret is that I stubbornly didn’t realize it until my brothers on the road and myself were threatened by it. We are unbelievably fortunate to not be among the number of victims killed or seriously wounded by this maniac.

Never going to happen, Americans have "2 gods".

One of the best comments on the news channels today was for people to look at London in the UK and Spain and other EU countries that have complete gun control over their people, but it isn't preventing harm from terrorists, is it?

Compared to America, most of the incidents were caused by bombs not semi-automatic/automatic weapons.

2ndly, how many terrorist attacks have we had & compare that to the number of mass shootings in America.

Police search for motive

Oh, so we're comparing apples to oranges now, huh? :|

Compare terrorist attacks to terrorist attacks and mass shootings to mass shootings.

No amount of your twisting things is going to make your arguments valid.

Siran

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Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

One of the best comments on the news channels today was for people to look at London in the UK and Spain and other EU countries that have complete gun control over their people, but it isn't preventing harm from terrorists, is it?

Compared to America, most of the incidents were caused by bombs not semi-automatic/automatic weapons.

2ndly, how many terrorist attacks have we had & compare that to the number of mass shootings in America.

Police search for motive

Oh, so we're comparing apples to oranges now, huh? :|

Compare terrorist attacks to terrorist attacks and mass shootings to mass shootings.

No amount of your twisting things is going to make your arguments valid.

Siran

Ah what a lovely comment. Re-read the first quote then learn to comprehend what you read.
BTW, regardless of the cause, violent death is still death.

One of the best comments on the news channels today was for people to look at London in the UK and Spain and other EU countries that have complete gun control over their people, but it isn't preventing harm from terrorists, is it?

Compared to America, most of the incidents were caused by bombs not semi-automatic/automatic weapons.

2ndly, how many terrorist attacks have we had & compare that to the number of mass shootings in America.

Police search for motive

Oh, so we're comparing apples to oranges now, huh? :|

Compare terrorist attacks to terrorist attacks and mass shootings to mass shootings.

No amount of your twisting things is going to make your arguments valid.

Siran

Ah what a lovely comment. Re-read the first quote then learn to comprehend what you read.
BTW, regardless of the cause, violent death is still death.

You need to comprehend...

I was referring to you second statement comparing terrorist attacks to mass shootings. The first statement has no relevance to the second or what I posted.

Siran

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

You need to comprehend...
I was referring to you second statement comparing terrorist attacks to mass shootings. The first statement has no relevance to the second or what I posted.
Siran

EU countries that have complete gun control over their people, but it isn't preventing harm from terrorists, is it?

For good or bad. There will be no substantial change regarding an Individual's Constitutional Right (excepting mentally ill, criminal conviction, etc.) to own a gun. Which the Supreme Court recently affirmed.

As I posted earlier this is quite Darwinian, if you are too stupid to stop or prevent what is killing you, you will be killed. You are stating that the stupid deserve to die.

The second amendment's purpose is to protect the right of the people to protect themselves from enemies both foreign and domestic and even more important, from a government that may get out of control. One of the best comments on the news channels today was for people to look at London in the UK and Spain and other EU countries that have complete gun control over their people, but it isn't preventing harm from terrorists, is it? As for the Australian gun turn-in program, does anybody down under really believe that criminals are going to surrender their weapons voluntarily? Sane people take out their killing fantasies by playing FPS games. It is why Players Unknown Battleground is rapidly becoming the number one streaming game, unfortunately, criminals and crazy people do it in real life and there really isn't much that can be done about it.

‘I cannot express how wrong I was’: Country guitarist changes mind on gun control after Vegas

However, one member of the band went even further, posting a lengthy message on Twitter about his personal response to the attack. After spending the night fearing for his life, Caleb Keeter, the group’s lead guitarist, spoke up about gun control.
“I’ve been a proponent of the 2nd amendment my entire life. Until the events of last night. I cannot express how wrong I was. We actually have members of our crew with [Concealed Handgun Licenses], and legal firearms on the bus,” Keeter wrote. “They were useless.” He continued:

We couldn’t touch them for fear police might think we were part of the massacre and shoot us. A small group (or one man) laid waste to a city with dedicated, fearless police officers desperately trying to help, because of access to an insane amount of fire power.

Enough is enough.

Writing my parents and the love of my life a goodbye last night and a living will because I felt like I wasn’t going to live through the night was enough for me to realize that this is completely and totally out of hand. These rounds were just powerful enough that my crew guys just standing in close proximity of a victim shot by this f—ing coward received shrapnel wounds.

We need gun control RIGHT. NOW. My biggest regret is that I stubbornly didn’t realize it until my brothers on the road and myself were threatened by it. We are unbelievably fortunate to not be among the number of victims killed or seriously wounded by this maniac.

Greetings,

I have been reading up on concealed carry and the armed people in his group did what they were supposed to do, keep their guns holstered. If you have a concealed carry permit and you carry, the only time you pull your gun is if YOUR life or the life of YOUR loved ones or YOUR personal property is in danger.

Siran

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\//
Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

Greetings,

I have been reading up on concealed carry and the armed people in his group did what they were supposed to do, keep their guns holstered. If you have a concealed carry permit and you carry, the only time you pull your gun is if YOUR life or the life of YOUR loved ones or YOUR personal property is in danger.

Siran

Are you saying their lives were not at risk?
That's a strange statement when so many are killed and injured around you.

He didn't. Check the message numbers!

"Following the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Connecticut in 2012, California Senator Dianne Feinstein introduced a bill that sought to ban bump-stocks and similar devices, saying that manufacturers were exploiting "loopholes" to circumvent gun laws. However, the bill was defeated in the Senate."

A legal bypass of FOPA?