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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24881 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Chikwature was jailed for 12 weeks for driving with excess alcohol, and 26 weeks for dangerous driving, to be served concurrently.IMV, sentence was too short. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24881 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Okay, there's a child involved. So if that child's welfare has to be considered then she should have faced an attempted murder charge. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24881 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24881 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Stop trying to teach on how to suck eggs. You mentioned the welfare of the child, so let's look at that... ... she wilfully ignored the law & endangered her child so IMV that should be either an attempted murder or manslaughter charge. After all, you are of the opinion that the majority of road users shouldn't be allowed on the road, so you should agree with that :-) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30699 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Stop trying to teach on how to suck eggs. Whole cloth for murder, big reach for manslaughter, because for either you have to show some mental state to cause harm and a jury isn't going to bite absent serious injury, but reckless endangerment of the child fits and with that unfit parent potential loss of custody. But drink driving court isn't family court. In the US we have involuntary manslaughter, but because it is involuntary you can't attempt it. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24881 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
We in the UK also have Involuntary ManslaughterThanks, that was more or less what I was thinking of. In this case, it was a blatant disregard & what is worse is that a vodka bottle was found in the car - who's to say she wasn't also drinking on the journey down?Involuntary manslaughter arises where the accused did not intend to cause death or serious injury but caused the death of another through recklessness or criminal negligence. For these purposes, recklessness is defined as a blatant disregard for the dangers of a particular situation. |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22234 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
With her demonstrated attitude to the laws of the road would she admit to drinking on her last journey. Whatever the custodial penalty she serves the person I really feel for is the young kid. Either her son will spend the time in jail with her, which is not the best environment for a child at this stage in their development, or will be "housed" by social services, possibly in a foster home, and separated from his mother. Neither is desirable :-( All because his mother didn't think of the consequences as she downed the Vodka the night before then set off on the journey that ended in the accident the next morning. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34976 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30699 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_EL_FAROS_FINAL_HOURS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-04-12-10-39-13 'I'M A GONER': El Faro's last hours as ship sails into storm |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22234 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
That PR lady certainly didn't live up to her name "Virtue"..... Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24881 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
"The boy obeyed all traffic lights and laws, witnesses said. "He didn't hit a single thing on the way there. It was unreal," police officer Jacob Koehler, from the village of East Palestine, said. The child told police he had learned to drive by watching YouTube videos." No charge driving lessons - Just watch Youtube |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24881 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Quick, give that lad the keys to a long wheelbase Ford Transit, he's got a job for life!!Forgot you said this? But then of course at that young age they don't have the emotional maturity to handle a vehicle responsibly. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24881 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Generally speaking no they don't, but this young lad apparently has.Nice to -see you acknowledge that there are exceptions to your rules :-) |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13755 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
Quick, give that lad the keys to a long wheelbase Ford Transit, he's got a job for life!!Forgot you said this? I've seen people from 20-80 that don't have the emotional maturity to be allowed to operate any sort of vehicle or machinery. Yet somehow they've managed to get a license. Grant Darwin NT |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30699 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Quick, give that lad the keys to a long wheelbase Ford Transit, he's got a job for life!!Forgot you said this? If at first you fail, try, try again. You only have to keep it together for a few minutes while the test is given. |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13755 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
If at first you fail, try, try again. You only have to keep it together for a few minutes while the test is given. It must have been about 30 years ago (?) there was a programme on TV, from either the BBC or ITV- people trying to get their licenses, after numerous tries & failures. I remember one woman who'd had dozens of attempts to get her license, and finally got it. While I felt sorry for them, none of them should ever have been given a license. If a person can't get it after 2 attempts, then they shouldn't be allowed to try again for at least 12 months (probably better 18-24 months). If they still can't get it after having that time to (hopefully) mature after another 2 attempts then that should be the end of it. Driving just isn't for them. Grant Darwin NT |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65791 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
I got My drivers license at age 19, in one try, I scored 99 out of a possible 100, on both the driving test and the random written test, here in California, dad paid for Me to learn how to drive, plus I got time in His car a 1972 Mercury Marquis Brougham, a 4 door sedan(painted yellow), it was His way of making up for the lack of child support(mom wanted only $12 a year for support, Dad would send $20 to Me for Xmas), both before the divorce from My mom, and after, it turns out I had a half sister(named Dorothy), and He was Her dad too, mom would have divorced Him in an instant, if She had ever known, My cousin, My brother, and My dad all knew this, it was an open secret I was told, but no one told Me until everyone else was long gone, now that same cousin's wife is suffering w/everyones 'favorite' bugaboo, Alzheimers, My cousin is 83 this year, I wish Him and His wife Grace well. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11362 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
I passed my driving test first time after 8 lessons, in 1963 aged 18, in a Morris Minor 1000. I too learned to drive in a Morris Minor 1000 and got my license in 1962 at the age of 17. That was quite a car, I wish I had it today even though I'm not sure what I'd use it for. Maybe it would attract women? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30699 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
http://news.sky.com/story/were-gone-final-words-of-irish-coast-guard-helicopter-crew-revealed-10836347 swears twice and his words "we're gone" were the last to be recorded. |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14654 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
More to the point, the Sikorsky S-92's internal warning system did not include Blackrock, an Atlantic outcrop with a working lighthouse, in its database. |
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