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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30687 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Wing flaps are at zero? Video shows at least one side the flaps were not at zero, other side isn't clear. That might matter. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
A Let L-410 Turbolet is about 15 meters long.Wing flaps are at zero?Video shows at least one side the flaps were not at zero, other side isn't clear. That might matter. About 30 to 40 meters after the plane started to accelerate it start to turn right. Can flaps really be the cause to what happened? Or problem with the nose wheel perhaps? Some witness said that the plane had problem with the rudder... |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30687 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
A Let L-410 Turbolet is about 15 meters long.Wing flaps are at zero?Video shows at least one side the flaps were not at zero, other side isn't clear. That might matter. If you want to speculate off the video it looks like the plane bounced pretty good just at it was beginning to transition from the flat threshold to the downhill runway. If the nose wheel left the ground, can't tell, then it may well matter as there is essentially no steering input from the rudder that slow. If there were crosswinds or a wind gust it is all over. If there is differential drag on the wings because one flap is down and one isn't, it is all over. Of course if a control cable snapped, it is all over. The video does show that before the takeoff roll there was nose wheel control. Another possibility is a wheel brake on one side of the plane not completely releasing when the pilot lifted his toes. This one is going to need to take the parts and put them under the microscope. The full video may show more such as a controls free and clear and rigged correctly check. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19091 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Not strictly transportation, but worth a look, if only for the lack of thought by everybody concerned. F1 - Comedy of Errors |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
"The plane literally hit the ground and bounced - it was clear the pilot did not have total control of the plane, it bounced again," she said.Boeing 737 goes for a swim |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30687 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
"The plane literally hit the ground and bounced - it was clear the pilot did not have total control of the plane, it bounced again," she said.Boeing 737 goes for a swim A passenger plane slid off a runway in the US state of Florida on Friday night, ending up in a river after landing during a thunderstorm. Cause, get home itus |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22227 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Wind-shear and cross-winds during landing can make life "quite exiting", add to the mix a half decent thunderstorm and multiple contacts with the tarmac can be expected. All very well if one enjoys roller coaster rides, but otherwise no so much fun. I've had a couple of approaches where the plane has been hit by a sudden crosswind just before the tyres hit the runway, and both have resulted in go-arounds, and one that was just after the tyres hit the runway and we used the whole width before the pilot got things back in order, and that wasn't in a particularly violent storm so I can well see how a neo-tropical storm can cause multiple bumps on the runway followed by departing the tarmac for whatever is nearby. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65773 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Ontario CA has a major airport, it's a very windy location which is below a mountain pass and the airport is in My opinion a lousy location. If you don't like winds, don't go there. Right now LAX's ground radar is out once again, the two ground radar towers(Pic) have been in operation since the 1990's without replacement, this was on KABC in LA, the towers have to be climbed by an FAA repair guy cause the elevator has not been certified to carry a human in a few years. LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- Eyewitness News has learned that a critical Los Angeles International Airport radar system that's meant to help prevent planes from colliding on the tarmac has failed on a routine basis over the last 18 months. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30687 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Wind-shear and cross-winds during landing can make life "quite exiting", add to the mix a half decent thunderstorm and multiple contacts with the tarmac can be expected. Quite, and flying into a microburst as frequently accompany thunderstorms is suicide. Wait for the weather to be better. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Air_Lines_Flight_191 |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19091 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
'Thrust reverser' broken on plane that slid into Florida river (Reuters) - A component meant to slow an aircraft on landing was inoperative on the Boeing jetliner that slid off a runway into a river at a Florida military base, injuring 22 people, investigators said on Sunday. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Transportation safety also include passenger behaviours that the Moscow jet crash landing yesterday shows. Sources to Russian news agency Interfax say some passengers did not want to evacuate the burning plane without first gathering their hand luggage. https://youtu.be/pP9-NdeaygA?t=14 Perhaps a system should be introduced so that the luggage compartments locks when an emergency landing begins. |
moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 |
Many people do very, very, very stupid actions regarding their safety. Just our human condition when faced with death.True that we act stupid in these situations. But those in the front rows on the plane didn't seem to panic so much. Some of those survivors even used their mobiles to show when the plane in flames was skidding on the tarmac. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oXNlV_AfT0 And those who first escaped the plane with their luggage didn't seem to panic as well. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19091 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
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Dr Who Fan Send message Joined: 8 Jan 01 Posts: 3230 Credit: 715,342 RAC: 4 |
Two hurt after plane crashes into house Jamillah Foster was inside the house when the plane crashed into the front of her house. She told the AP no one in the house or outside on the ground was injured. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30687 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
https://abc7.com/traffic/video-driver-apparently-fast-asleep-while-tesla-is-on-autopilot-on-405-fwy/5343054/ VIDEO: Driver apparently fast asleep while Tesla is on autopilot on 405 Fwy |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13750 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
A company I would avoid if flying in the US- It wasn't a case of not fixing a fault, working around it & then ignoring it all together. FAA proposes $715,438 civil penalty against Allegiant Air The EGT (Exhaust Gas Temperature) exceeded normal limits on take off, When this occurs, the MD-80 maintenance manual calls for turning off the automatic reverse thrust system, finding the cause of the excess temperature, and correcting the cause before turning the system on again. Grant Darwin NT |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19091 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Now I find that you have to look out for golf carts. https://twitter.com/i/status/1139697841457119232 Yesterday at US Open, Pebble Beech, CA. |
Dr Who Fan Send message Joined: 8 Jan 01 Posts: 3230 Credit: 715,342 RAC: 4 |
From The July 2019 Atlantic magazine: What Really Happened to Malaysia’s Missing Airplane (Flight MH370) Five years ago, the flight vanished into the Indian Ocean. Officials on land know more about why than they dare to say. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
After 35 years, bottleneck gone. :-) Bar Hill bypass |
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