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Message 1961708 - Posted: 24 Oct 2018, 16:18:32 UTC - in response to Message 1961697.  

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Message 1961722 - Posted: 24 Oct 2018, 17:05:37 UTC - in response to Message 1961703.  

Pic of a Wildlife crossing concept over the 101 Freeway. More info here. $60 Million by 2020 and all privately raised. They need $10 Million by June and are 1/3rd there, this is for Cougars and wildlife in general.

Yes, it's mainly for Wildlife, no human vehicles.

A newly designed concept for the Highway 101 wildlife overpass was unveiled Tuesday as officials celebrated mountain lion P-22 Day and Urban Wildlife Week. Mark Mester reports from Agoura Hills for the KTLA 5 Morning News at 11 on Oct. 23, 2018.

https://ktla.com/2018/10/23/new-image-of-101-freeway-wildlife-crossing-unveiled-in-agoura-hills/


Cougar wiki. Bing says Raccoons are liked too, I misspelled cougars and got an entry that I would have missed had I not done so.

An adaptable, generalist species, the cougar is found in most American habitat types. It is the biggest cat in North America,[4] and the second-heaviest cat in the New World after the jaguar. Secretive and largely solitary by nature, the cougar is properly considered both nocturnal and crepuscular, although daytime sightings do occur.[5][6][7][8] The cougar is more closely related to smaller felines, including the domestic cat (subfamily Felinae), than to any species of subfamily Pantherinae,[1][9][10] of which only the jaguar is native to the Americas.

The cougar is an ambush predator that pursues a wide variety of prey. Primary food sources are ungulates, particularly deer. It also hunts species as small as insects and rodents. This cat prefers habitats with dense underbrush and rocky areas for stalking, but can also live in open areas. The cougar is territorial and survives at low population densities. Individual territory sizes depend on terrain, vegetation, and abundance of prey. While large, it is not always the apex predator in its range, yielding to the jaguar, gray wolf, American black bear, and grizzly bear. It is reclusive and mostly avoids people. Fatal attacks on humans are rare, but have recently been increasing in North America as more people enter cougar territories.

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Message 1961761 - Posted: 24 Oct 2018, 21:28:11 UTC - in response to Message 1961722.  
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Here we already have built some wildlife crossings.
A new bridge over the E6 north of Kungsbacka helps animals and nature to cross the busy motorway.
Ecoduct https://youtu.be/SGHbJlo8_7Q
https://www.natursidan.se/nyheter/ny-ekodukt-hjalper-djur-och-natur-over-e6/
Then also plans for wildlife crossings over railroads.
WARNING: the video content may be disturbing to some viewers https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/orebro/overgangsstalle-for-vilt-ska-minska-tagolyckor
About 5,000 times a yearSwedish trains collides with animals. I guess mammals.

And in the Netherlands as well.

https://youtu.be/2Xfc90s0Uqs
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Message 1961777 - Posted: 24 Oct 2018, 23:12:16 UTC - in response to Message 1961697.  

An FW190 T-6 Texan crashed and burned on the 101 fwy yesterday, the pilot was uninjured.

Videos and more can be found at KTLA 5 News.

Take a look here for the landing on the freeway
https://abc7.com/video-shows-moment-plane-crashes-on-101-freeway/4544025/
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Message 1961964 - Posted: 26 Oct 2018, 16:52:46 UTC

I see that the "trolley problem" has been raised in the driverless car situation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-45991093
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Message 1962033 - Posted: 26 Oct 2018, 22:20:11 UTC - in response to Message 1962024.  

I see that the "trolley problem" has been raised in the driverless car situation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-45991093

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Germany has already introduced a law that states driverless cars must avoid injury or death at all cost.

The law says algorithms must never decide what to do based on the age, gender or health of the passengers or pedestrians.

But if any 'choice' available will possibly result in death and in the same number, what will be programmed into the system? IE: Two mothers holding their child vs. four elderly people crossing the street at the same time. You have to turn right or left to avoid a head on collision with an out of control 18 wheeler and the result will be the death of four persons.

A human having to make that split second draconian decision or impulse action will...

What do you believe your decision or impulse would be?

If you have time to realize one is mothers with babies and the other is elderly people, you had time to avoid it.
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Message 1962044 - Posted: 27 Oct 2018, 0:18:01 UTC - in response to Message 1962042.  
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I see that the "trolley problem" has been raised in the driverless car situation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-45991093

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Germany has already introduced a law that states driverless cars must avoid injury or death at all cost.

The law says algorithms must never decide what to do based on the age, gender or health of the passengers or pedestrians.

But if any 'choice' available will possibly result in death and in the same number, what will be programmed into the system? IE: Two mothers holding their child vs. four elderly people crossing the street at the same time. You have to turn right or left to avoid a head on collision with an out of control 18 wheeler and the result will be the death of four persons.

A human having to make that split second draconian decision or impulse action will...

What do you believe your decision or impulse would be?

If you have time to realize one is mothers with babies and the other is elderly people, you had time to avoid it.

Sorry, you are the programmer.

There are only three alternatives.

#1 -The computer brakes the vehicle and the out of control 18 wheeler runs over the vehicle, probably killing those inside. Let's make it a person in the drivers seat, their spouse as the front passenger and two children in the backseat. A total of 4 persons.

The only escape is to attempt to swerve around the 18 wheeler.

#2 - A right swerve would have the vehicle running over 4 elderly persons.

#3 - A left swerve would have the vehicle running over two mothers, each one holding a child. A total of 4 persons.

Under Germany's Introduced Law. How would the programmer comply with it?

If you are driving a non computer driven vehicle. Which option would you choose?

It is a no win scenario, going right or left is useless as is straight ahead most likely.
But going straight and braking will give the best chance for survival to those ahead, since those in a car have some protection, those walking would be 100% dead.
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Message 1962045 - Posted: 27 Oct 2018, 0:26:56 UTC - in response to Message 1962042.  

If you are driving a non computer driven vehicle. Which option would you choose?

If you were driving the vehicle, and had time to determine the number & makeup of the groups on either side, you'd have had time to be able to avoid them all.
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Message 1962075 - Posted: 27 Oct 2018, 5:23:28 UTC - in response to Message 1962042.  

If you have time to realize one is mothers with babies and the other is elderly people, you had time to avoid it.

Sorry, you are the programmer.

Bingo. Why are you as a programmer even attempting to decide if people are elderly or mothers with babies? Big waste of CPU that should be being used to make sure you don't ever get to where you have to make a choice. They all will be put in the bin pedestrian. There won't be a bin elderly pedestrian or a bin mommy with baby pedestrian.
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Message 1962097 - Posted: 27 Oct 2018, 7:50:21 UTC

What would the programmer do in the situation when it is a case of pedestrians or occupants.

Would you buy a car where you know that in the above case it will always choose to put occupants (i.e. YOU) at risk.
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Message 1962421 - Posted: 29 Oct 2018, 15:19:31 UTC

With all the sad news about air crashes I thought it was about time for something a little lighter and more seasonal:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-46018859/pumpkin-boat-paddled-down-river-ouse-in-york

(If one can call a 600kg pumpkin "light")
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Message 1963867 - Posted: 8 Nov 2018, 6:31:16 UTC

Amtrak train hits car in Fort Worth, seriously injuring 2 people
Two people are in serious condition after an Amtrak train hit a car at West Biddison and Ryan Avenue on Wednesday afternoon.

The collision was reported just before 1:45 p.m. in the Shaw Clarke neighborhood, according to an accident report.

The Fort Worth Fire Department said several units were on the scene for an extrication.

According to Lt. Andre Smith, the Amtrak train was heading north as another train was going south. The vehicle, a red car, was headed westbound on West Biddison.

The other train stopped on the track to let the Amtrak train go. The car stopped at the barrier on West Biddison, Smith said. Police think the car didn’t see the Amtrak train and drove beneath the barrier to cross the tracks, Smith said.

The Amtrak train hit the car and pushed it about a quarter mile down the tracks.

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Message 1963868 - Posted: 8 Nov 2018, 6:33:24 UTC

Four hurt when TRE train crashes into flatbed trailer
Four people were injured after a TRE train crashed into a flatbed trailer being towed by a truck that didn’t stay clear of the crossing, said Hurst police, who responded to the incident.

It happened at about 8:15 a.m. Wednesay near the intersection of Precinct Line Road and Trinity Boulevard, MedStar reported.

... The truck driver was cited for stopping on the tracks.

“He was in backed-up traffic and did not stay clear of the crossing,” said Hurst police Capt. Nathan Duermeyer.

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Message 1963914 - Posted: 8 Nov 2018, 13:50:35 UTC

No matter how safe technology makes things, mistakes will always be made.

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Message 1963926 - Posted: 8 Nov 2018, 15:31:05 UTC

Warship collides with tanker in fjord
Seven people were lightly injured in the collision in the Hjeltefjord near Bergen in the early hours of Thursday, rescuers say. The frigate has been listing dangerously.

It was not immediately clear what had caused the collision, which reportedly occurred shortly after 04:00 (03:00 GMT), and led to 137 people being taken off the warship.

"It [frigate] took on a lot of water and there is a real danger that it sinks where it is," the official said.
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Message 1963942 - Posted: 8 Nov 2018, 16:29:32 UTC - in response to Message 1963926.  

It has been speculated if the frigate had turned off its Automatic Identity System (AIS) transmitter. On the Marine Traffic website, which collects data from AIS, the vessel was invisible until the accident.
Rear Admiral Stensønes explained that this is normal for marine vessels.
But I wonder why they turned it on just after the collision...
https://pmd-nrk.akamaized.net/videoloop/Hordaland/Fregatt_screendump_3.1080p.webm
And why didn't the tanker observed the frigate on the radar...
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Message 1963947 - Posted: 8 Nov 2018, 17:07:39 UTC - in response to Message 1963942.  

And why didn't the tanker observed the frigate on the radar...
...or the frigate observe the tanker on its radar.
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