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Message 1747147 - Posted: 5 Dec 2015, 22:56:09 UTC

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26402367
An attack by knife-wielding men at a railway station in Kunming in south-west China has left at least 29 dead, the state news agency Xinhua says.

Another 130 people were wounded in what authorities said was a "premeditated, violent terrorist attack".

29 dead 130 wounded by knife v.s. 14 dead 17 wounded by semi-automatic assault rifle.

Where is the call for knife control?
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Message 1747161 - Posted: 6 Dec 2015, 1:07:13 UTC - in response to Message 1747147.  

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26402367
An attack by knife-wielding men at a railway station in Kunming in south-west China has left at least 29 dead, the state news agency Xinhua says.

Another 130 people were wounded in what authorities said was a "premeditated, violent terrorist attack".

29 dead 130 wounded by knife v.s. 14 dead 17 wounded by semi-automatic assault rifle.

Where is the call for knife control?

Here you go, Gary. Terrorist knife attack: ‘This is for Syria’: ‘Machete-wielding’ man attacks London tube, police probing terrorist incident

I am thankful this lunatic didn't have an assault rifle.
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Message 1747162 - Posted: 6 Dec 2015, 1:10:21 UTC - in response to Message 1747161.  

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26402367
An attack by knife-wielding men at a railway station in Kunming in south-west China has left at least 29 dead, the state news agency Xinhua says.

Another 130 people were wounded in what authorities said was a "premeditated, violent terrorist attack".

29 dead 130 wounded by knife v.s. 14 dead 17 wounded by semi-automatic assault rifle.

Where is the call for knife control?

Here you go, Gary. Terrorist knife attack: ‘This is for Syria’: ‘Machete-wielding’ man attacks London tube, police probing terrorist incident

I am thankful this lunatic didn't have an assault rifle.

So 29 deaths with a knife isnt enough?
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Message 1747163 - Posted: 6 Dec 2015, 1:16:36 UTC - in response to Message 1747162.  

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26402367
An attack by knife-wielding men at a railway station in Kunming in south-west China has left at least 29 dead, the state news agency Xinhua says.

Another 130 people were wounded in what authorities said was a "premeditated, violent terrorist attack".

29 dead 130 wounded by knife v.s. 14 dead 17 wounded by semi-automatic assault rifle.

Where is the call for knife control?

Here you go, Gary. Terrorist knife attack: ‘This is for Syria’: ‘Machete-wielding’ man attacks London tube, police probing terrorist incident

I am thankful this lunatic didn't have an assault rifle.

So 29 deaths with a knife isnt enough?

I don't understand what your point is.
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Message 1747164 - Posted: 6 Dec 2015, 1:19:24 UTC - in response to Message 1747163.  

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26402367
An attack by knife-wielding men at a railway station in Kunming in south-west China has left at least 29 dead, the state news agency Xinhua says.

Another 130 people were wounded in what authorities said was a "premeditated, violent terrorist attack".

29 dead 130 wounded by knife v.s. 14 dead 17 wounded by semi-automatic assault rifle.

Where is the call for knife control?

Here you go, Gary. Terrorist knife attack: ‘This is for Syria’: ‘Machete-wielding’ man attacks London tube, police probing terrorist incident

I am thankful this lunatic didn't have an assault rifle.

So 29 deaths with a knife isnt enough?

I don't understand what your point is.

My point is one guy with a primitive knife killed 29 people. that is more than the two terrorist killed with Your so called assualt rifles. And by defintion they were not assault rifles.
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Message 1747166 - Posted: 6 Dec 2015, 1:38:42 UTC - in response to Message 1747164.  


My point is one guy with a primitive knife killed 29 people. that is more than the two terrorist killed with Your so called assualt rifles. And by defintion they were not assault rifles.

Gary had to go back a year for that attack. How far to we have to go back to find a mass shooting in America? Unless maybe you are suggesting that Americans are just more violent than other countries?

The knife attack in England happened today. Its a very recent example of a mass stabbing. Nothing to do with "not being enough for me". A comment I found really distasteful to be honest.

Be defensive about guns all your want, its much easier and quicker to kill people with a gun than a knife. Which shouldn't be a surprise to anyone because that is what they are designed for. If knives were so dangerous, we would arm our soldiers with them and that would be enough.

People can be killed with knives. More people can be killed with guns.
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Message 1747169 - Posted: 6 Dec 2015, 1:56:06 UTC - in response to Message 1747147.  

29 dead 130 wounded by knife v.s. 14 dead 17 wounded by semi-automatic assault rifle.


To point out the obvious

159 victims / 29 dead = 82% of people live when a knife is used

31 victims / 14 dead = 55% of people live when a gun is used

You have far more chance of living if a knife is used compared to a gun almost 28% better chance of living

Forrest Gump principal in action again tell yourself lies so you don't have to deal with the problem and do the correct thing

How selfish is it that the needs of the many are out way by the needs of the one

Now get your story's right when you turn up at the pearly gates and St Peter ask you what did you do to stop all the gun murders .

"It's in our constitution " to bear arms so I didn't do anything .

"GO STRAIGHT TO HELL DO NOT PASS GO" he will shout at you

And you call your self Christians or Catholic's . Yeh ok if you say so
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Message 1747171 - Posted: 6 Dec 2015, 2:03:23 UTC - in response to Message 1747166.  


My point is one guy with a primitive knife killed 29 people. that is more than the two terrorist killed with Your so called assualt rifles. And by defintion they were not assault rifles.

Gary had to go back a year for that attack. How far to we have to go back to find a mass shooting in America? Unless maybe you are suggesting that Americans are just more violent than other countries?

The knife attack in England happened today. Its a very recent example of a mass stabbing. Nothing to do with "not being enough for me". A comment I found really distasteful to be honest.

Be defensive about guns all your want, its much easier and quicker to kill people with a gun than a knife. Which shouldn't be a surprise to anyone because that is what they are designed for. If knives were so dangerous, we would arm our soldiers with them and that would be enough.

People can be killed with knives. More people can be killed with guns.

It was a terrorist attack here. They wanted to die for the cause. And the truth is coming out they had someone else buy the weapons. Which is a felony offense.

And I still say open up the medical files of anyone wanting to buy a firearm. But those files cant be opend. Its the law.
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Message 1747172 - Posted: 6 Dec 2015, 2:27:14 UTC - in response to Message 1747171.  

It was a terrorist attack here. They wanted to die for the cause. And the truth is coming out they had someone else buy the weapons. Which is a felony offense.

And I still say open up the medical files of anyone wanting to buy a firearm. But those files cant be opend. Its the law.


Well there you have it James , there is only one thing you can do now BAN all Assault rifles . You can't kill many people with a hand gun or a bolt action rifle and if you do ban them you will still be able to have a gun for personal protection and you won't need to change the constitution or do background checks or have licences .

Shore it won't stop all the murders but gun control was never about banning all guns it's about limiting the damage they do to a minimum
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Message 1747173 - Posted: 6 Dec 2015, 2:28:41 UTC - in response to Message 1747161.  
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26402367
An attack by knife-wielding men at a railway station in Kunming in south-west China has left at least 29 dead, the state news agency Xinhua says.
Another 130 people were wounded in what authorities said was a "premeditated, violent terrorist attack".

29 dead 130 wounded by knife v.s. 14 dead 17 wounded by semi-automatic assault rifle.
Where is the call for knife control?

Here you go, Gary. Terrorist knife attack: ‘This is for Syria’: ‘Machete-wielding’ man attacks London tube, police probing terrorist incident
I am thankful this lunatic didn't have an assault rifle.

Reminds me of this.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33905334
Yes. Knifes are as deadly as guns.
But it takes balls to use them.
Not like a gun where you just have to pull the trigger!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js-YqJ36fkA

BTW
Minister for foreign affairs Anna Lindh.
Stabbed in a shopping mall in central Stockholm.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Lindh
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Message 1747188 - Posted: 6 Dec 2015, 4:48:14 UTC - in response to Message 1747172.  

It was a terrorist attack here. They wanted to die for the cause. And the truth is coming out they had someone else buy the weapons. Which is a felony offense.

And I still say open up the medical files of anyone wanting to buy a firearm. But those files cant be opend. Its the law.


Well there you have it James , there is only one thing you can do now BAN all Assault rifles . You can't kill many people with a hand gun or a bolt action rifle and if you do ban them you will still be able to have a gun for personal protection and you won't need to change the constitution or do background checks or have licences .

Shore it won't stop all the murders but gun control was never about banning all guns it's about limiting the damage they do to a minimum

Well no, its about taking the nut cases off the streets and keeping them off the steets. Its about makeing mental health records as transparent as criminal records are mandated to be.

The US jails more folks for minor drug possesion, While at the same time we let nut jobs walk the streets.
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Message 1747217 - Posted: 6 Dec 2015, 8:48:03 UTC - in response to Message 1747188.  

Well no, its about taking the nut cases off the streets and keeping them off the steets.

You do realise that is a very large group of people. The UK health people and the WHO say that in any one year up to 25% of the population will have mental health problems. And that about 40% of the population will have at least one period of mental health problems in their lifetime.

At any one time, there are about 450 million people diagnosed with mental health problems in the World. About 30% of countries have no mental health policy, and another 40% spend less that 1% of their health budget on mental health.
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Message 1747219 - Posted: 6 Dec 2015, 9:13:28 UTC - in response to Message 1747217.  

Well no, its about taking the nut cases off the streets and keeping them off the steets.

You do realise that is a very large group of people. The UK health people and the WHO say that in any one year up to 25% of the population will have mental health problems. And that about 40% of the population will have at least one period of mental health problems in their lifetime.

At any one time, there are about 450 million people diagnosed with mental health problems in the World. About 30% of countries have no mental health policy, and another 40% spend less that 1% of their health budget on mental health.

Yes it is a lot of people. But a lot of people believe a mythical man in the sky is real too.

You realize that crazy's in the USA instead of being in some form of medical treatment as they are in the UK, in the USA they are in the penal system, but only after they have had the break and injure someone. America has a crazy control problem, which it needs to address.

I don't think people for civilized countries can believe that the standard to get mental treatment in America is to be so utterly insane you have to hurt someone to get treatment. Then of course it isn't available in prison. Danger to yourself or others, well that can't know about others unless the crazy actually does something. As to the yourself, if you are aware enough to know how to dumpster dive behind grocery stores and restaurants you are sane.

Then there is the problem of HIPPA, which prevents mental illness being reported to a database to prevent firearms purchases. This needs to change yesterday. And that isn't a gun control law! It is a medical health law amendment.
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Message 1747254 - Posted: 6 Dec 2015, 15:18:00 UTC - in response to Message 1747219.  

... America has a crazy control problem, which it needs to address.

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Having seen their stubbornness regarding sensible gun control, I can only agree.
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Message 1747270 - Posted: 6 Dec 2015, 16:35:22 UTC - in response to Message 1747264.  

... America has a crazy control problem, which it needs to address.

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Having seen their stubbornness regarding sensible gun control, I can only agree.

The Problems:

Would have to Amend the US Constitution.

Good luck.

or just interpret it properly.

300,000,000 guns in the possession of the American people.

Good luck.

There is your problem right there.

A Cultural Belief in the 'Right of The People' (Given to them by "The laws of nature and of nature's God") to defend themselves from any Power.

Good luck.

In this day and age there are better and more effective ways of defending yourself from any power than owning a gun.
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Message 1747272 - Posted: 6 Dec 2015, 16:57:26 UTC

I don't own a gun, and am not interested in getting one. Guns for home and personal protection have always seemed dangerous and paranoid to me.
The mind is a weird and mysterious place
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Message 1747296 - Posted: 6 Dec 2015, 20:25:01 UTC

It's crazy, you go to jail for buying a joint,
but you can buy a machine gun anywhere! I get
it, but I don't understand it.


edit:
People wonder why I have stayed
out of the republic for forty years....

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Message 1747302 - Posted: 6 Dec 2015, 20:55:15 UTC

Taurus PT 24/7.
That's a gun that make you feel safe 24/7.

Make sure that you clean the weapon before you tuck it in under your pillow before you go to sleep.
Then next morning you probably will say "I love the smell of gun powder in the morning":)
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Message 1747309 - Posted: 6 Dec 2015, 21:13:51 UTC - in response to Message 1747270.  

300,000,000 guns in the possession of the American people.

Good luck.

There is your problem right there.

Yes, it needs to go up much higher!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/03/weve-had-a-massive-decline-in-gun-violence-in-the-united-states-heres-why/
Premeditated mass shootings in public places are happening more often, some researchers say, plunging towns and cities into grief and riveting the attention of a horrified nation. In general, though, fewer Americans are dying as a result of gun violence — a shift that began about two decades ago.

In 1993, there were seven homicides by firearm for every 100,000 Americans, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. By 2013, that figure had fallen by nearly half, to 3.6 — a total of 11,208 firearm homicides. The number of victims of crimes involving guns that did not result in death (such as robberies) declined even more precipitously, from 725 per 100,000 people in 1993 to 175 in 2013.

Older data suggests that gun violence might have been even more widespread previously. The rate of murder and manslaughter excluding negligence reached an apex in 1980, according to the FBI. That year, there were 10.8 willful killings per 100,000 people. Although not a perfect measure of the overall rate of gun violence, the decline in the rate of murder and manslaughter is suggestive: Two in three homicides these days are committed with guns.

This decline in gun violence is part of an overall decline in violent crime. According to the FBI's data, the national rate of violent crime has decreased 49 percent since its apex in 1991. Even as a certain type of mass shooting is apparently becoming more frequent, America has become a much less violent place.

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Message 1747354 - Posted: 7 Dec 2015, 3:18:59 UTC - in response to Message 1747309.  

300,000,000 guns in the possession of the American people.

Good luck.

There is your problem right there.

Yes, it needs to go up much higher!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/03/weve-had-a-massive-decline-in-gun-violence-in-the-united-states-heres-why/
Premeditated mass shootings in public places are happening more often, some researchers say, plunging towns and cities into grief and riveting the attention of a horrified nation. In general, though, fewer Americans are dying as a result of gun violence — a shift that began about two decades ago.

In 1993, there were seven homicides by firearm for every 100,000 Americans, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. By 2013, that figure had fallen by nearly half, to 3.6 — a total of 11,208 firearm homicides. The number of victims of crimes involving guns that did not result in death (such as robberies) declined even more precipitously, from 725 per 100,000 people in 1993 to 175 in 2013.

Older data suggests that gun violence might have been even more widespread previously. The rate of murder and manslaughter excluding negligence reached an apex in 1980, according to the FBI. That year, there were 10.8 willful killings per 100,000 people. Although not a perfect measure of the overall rate of gun violence, the decline in the rate of murder and manslaughter is suggestive: Two in three homicides these days are committed with guns.

This decline in gun violence is part of an overall decline in violent crime. According to the FBI's data, the national rate of violent crime has decreased 49 percent since its apex in 1991. Even as a certain type of mass shooting is apparently becoming more frequent, America has become a much less violent place.

What about the suicide rate?
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