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Message 1712802 - Posted: 14 Aug 2015, 12:24:43 UTC
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This is unacceptable behaviour for the Future King of England and his parents to be expected to have to endure.

The palace said a small number of media organisations, mostly in Germany, France, Australia, New Zealand and the US, had published photos of Prince George in "unacceptable circumstances".

However it said the "vast majority", and all UK publications, had refused.

Simple, arrest them and deport them.

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Message 1712810 - Posted: 14 Aug 2015, 13:01:43 UTC

Don't worry about them being published in the US. We are to busy hiding from killer cops and enjoying cat pictures. Who is Prince George anyway?
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Message 1712813 - Posted: 14 Aug 2015, 13:16:22 UTC - in response to Message 1712802.  

They want to give their children a childhood that is "free from harassment and surveillance"


I definitely think there should be some law to stop the harassment. Aren't there stalking laws?
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Message 1712816 - Posted: 14 Aug 2015, 13:21:35 UTC - in response to Message 1712810.  

Don't worry about them being published in the US. We are to busy hiding from killer cops and enjoying cat pictures. Who is Prince George anyway?

I think it is a ship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Prince_George
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Message 1712827 - Posted: 14 Aug 2015, 13:36:04 UTC

"You grimy paparazzi". Estelle teaches the press to behave!
https://twitter.com/PrinsDanne/status/610097351596875776
Signed "Hagamannen".
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Message 1712982 - Posted: 14 Aug 2015, 19:25:11 UTC

US media firmly believe that "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of ... the press" applies around the world. When they're trying to expose political corruption, that's good, but a 2-year-old ain't a politician. They also tend to forget that a certain amount of responsibility goes with it, and also that it doesn't say anything about anyone other than Congress making such a law. (It is generally held that no government at any level can do so, and people tend to forget that it doesn't apply to privacy agreements between private parties.)
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Message 1712984 - Posted: 14 Aug 2015, 19:26:17 UTC

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Message 1712985 - Posted: 14 Aug 2015, 19:27:51 UTC

My opinion...as if you wish to hear it............

'Freedom of the press' has it's rightful place.
Currently, I think that some members of the press corps have corrupted it to mean they can say anything the damned well wish to, and in my opinion, that is not the original intent.
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Message 1712988 - Posted: 14 Aug 2015, 19:38:45 UTC - in response to Message 1712809.  

Feudal dynasties are a ridiculous thing in the modern world. Dismiss them.

Agreed. We should definitely throw them out of the country.
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Message 1713034 - Posted: 14 Aug 2015, 20:59:04 UTC - in response to Message 1712988.  
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Feudal dynasties are a ridiculous thing in the modern world. Dismiss them.

Agreed. We should definitely throw them out of the country.

Yes. Throw out national flags and other national symbols in all countries.
Forbid US presidents to say God Bless America.
Forbid Sweden citizens to celebrate midsummer and eating crayfish.

Rule Britannia (Royal Navy version).
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Message 1713102 - Posted: 14 Aug 2015, 22:36:03 UTC - in response to Message 1713034.  

Their side.

Photographer: 'Royals should release more photos'

Kensington Palace and Scotland Yard have both issued strongly worded statements accusing photographers of harassing Prince George.

The palace said some of the tactics used to capture images of the Prince were "increasingly dangerous".

The Metropolitan Police warned that photographers could face "armed intervention".

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Message 1713108 - Posted: 14 Aug 2015, 22:45:09 UTC - in response to Message 1713102.  

Here we go, "Armed intervention" against unarmed civilians? Shades of USA.
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Message 1713143 - Posted: 14 Aug 2015, 23:44:54 UTC - in response to Message 1712988.  

Feudal dynasties are a ridiculous thing in the modern world. Dismiss them.

Agreed. We should definitely throw them out of the country.

And what do you replace them with, in most cases around the world, with expensive Presidents and many of them are criminals.

When one newspaper asked, a few years ago, "What would be the qualities you would like to see in a Head of State", the answers turned out to be almost an exact description of the Queen.
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Message 1713149 - Posted: 15 Aug 2015, 0:07:44 UTC

I think it would be very convenient to have a royal person or two around to attend state dinners, entertain foreign dignitaries and attend fundraisers for charitable events. I am sorry that our elected officials have to attend to their legislative duties and also serve as host/hostesses for our nation. It must be both exhausting and fattening. No wonder President Bush II spent so much time on the White House treadmill!!!
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Message 1713160 - Posted: 15 Aug 2015, 1:09:44 UTC - in response to Message 1712802.  
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This is unacceptable behaviour for the Future King of England and his parents to be expected to have to endure.

The palace said a small number of media organisations, mostly in Germany, France, Australia, New Zealand and the US, had published photos of Prince George in "unacceptable circumstances".

However it said the "vast majority", and all UK publications, had refused.

Simple, arrest them and deport them.


Arrest who? Deport them where?

Am I to understand that you are proposing we "arrest and deport" all the UK publication houses - for heinously not publishing? For that is what you have said.

Or are you saying: The German, French, Italian, Australian, New Zealand and American publishers should be rounded up by their respective governments and deported - for heinously publishing? To - where? Not the UK. For that would be extradition, and the onus for producing any paperwork at this stage would be the United Kingdom's, surely?

Or perhaps you're saying, as Umpteenth Snark has already paraphrased for us - but with more eloquence than I and more admirable concern for the preservation of the family unit :-) To spare our future king... (would that be our future King Charles (and those responsible for bringing him into this world)? Or our future King George (etc))? from enduring further unacceptable circumstances, we should arrest and deport them from Britain?

In light of the following:

The palace said some of the tactics used to capture images of the Prince were "increasingly dangerous".


...I can see merit in this.

So where did you have in mind?
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Message 1713231 - Posted: 15 Aug 2015, 4:47:07 UTC

There are some methods to deal with this.

1) The most obvious. Stop going out in public.

2) Send out so many photos in press releases editors are sick of them.

3) Deploy technical measures to spoil unauthorized photos

4) Pick a lucky publication that doesn't use Paparazzi and they get to take nice official photographs close up and get to press with them first, making the grainy telephoto stuff second class junk. Oh and Paparazzi press have their press credentials revoked making them just ordinary private citizens.

5) Tell them some minister is boff'n his bimbo at hotel delta if they want some pictures better hurry before they draw the curtains. Everyone loves a sex scandal.

6) Demote the royals to ordinary, no one will be interested anymore.

7) Do the US thing, shoot first (with automatic weapons) ask questions later. (Oh that big telephoto looked like a rocket launcher.)
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Message 1713287 - Posted: 15 Aug 2015, 7:30:45 UTC
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The Royals need to understand that they are not ordinary Members of the public and cannot reasonably expect to be completely treated as such. They have to accept that there is massive legitimate public interest in their activities. The public also need to realise that the Royals are entitled to some sort of private life just as they are, espcially in this case of a two year old boy. Everyone accepts that press photographers have a living to earn and just one freelance picture syndicated around the world can earn a small fortune.

Yes freelance photographers, some work for publications although many are on retainers where the publication gets first dibs on any scoop. Others play the international market. The paparazzi are described as follows

Paparazzi tend to be independent contractors, unaffiliated with mainstream media organizations, and photos taken are usually done so by taking advantage of opportunities when they have sightings of high-profile people they're tracking. Some experts have described the behaviour of paparazzi as synonymous with stalking, and anti-stalking bills in many countries address the issue by reducing harassment of public figures and celebrities, especially with their minor children. Some public figures and celebrities have expressed concern at the extent to which paparazzi go to invade their personal space. The filing and receiving of judicial support for restraining orders against paparazzi has increased, as have lawsuits with judgements against them.

Gary's points 2, 3, 4, have merit, but the point with No.1 is that the Royals have no problem with photos being taken in public, goes with the job, it is the invasion of private privacy that is the issue here. Also with no.4, press credentials or passes are usually used to gain entry to public events and often gives them official vantage points as in a press box with comms, and official advance press releases.

There are many press conferences that they can get into to gain prior information before the public does. Take the photo shoots outside No.10, only accredited photographers are allowed past the gates etc etc. Any private individual can hire a step ladder and a telephoto lens and spy on someone's back garden without a press pass, provided of course they don't fall foul of the stalking and privacy laws.

Prince George's parents William and Kate know full well that in his whole adult life he will be photographed at every twist and turn, and he will be brought up to understand and expect that and the reasons why. What they would like to do is to put off that time for as long as possible, to give him as near a normal childhood as they can as a solid foundation for his future public duties.

There is "agreement" with the British press that provided the Royals issue regular official photos, arrange photo shoots, and occasional private opportunities, they will be extended a reasonable level of privacy in return. Unfortunately photographers from other countries are not willing to enter into such agreements, hence the problem. If they can be prosecuted under the stalking and harassment laws, then they should be deported back to their home countries and put on Port Stop to prevent their return.

The publications that encourage the paparazzi to supply them with these sort of photos defend themselves by saying that they don't condone or support anyone breaking any laws. But they will still happily accept photographs for publication without enquiring too deeply into how they were obtained. International press is a cut throat occupation to stay in business these days when everyone has an iPad in their pocket. Printed matter is getting very passée.

I initially put this thread into the Cafe, knowing full well it wouldn't last long before it got moved to Politics. I had hoped meanwhile to be able to make a few comments at least before the Anti monarchy brigade turned up. That is of course a separate issue to the basic one here, but I doubt that will make any difference. I'll leave you all to it.
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Message 1713296 - Posted: 15 Aug 2015, 8:17:00 UTC - in response to Message 1713287.  

I initially put this thread into the Cafe, knowing full well it wouldn't last long before it got moved to Politics.

You knew perfectly well that this would be a hot potato & it's not the 1st time you've done this. What were you thinking of? Another reason to denigrate the Politics board?

As for the anti monarchy brigade, you've stated that you will take on anyone that denigrates the royals & Great Britain. Fair do. However, where were your comments over the UK publication of the "Royal Heilnesses" disgrace?

I think you do this deliberately just to get a rise out of people. Down to you to prove this wrong!
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Message 1713352 - Posted: 15 Aug 2015, 12:19:17 UTC - in response to Message 1712988.  

Feudal dynasties are a ridiculous thing in the modern world. Dismiss them.

Agreed. We should definitely throw them out of the country.

I believe that it is correct to say that in recent times you have chosen to emigrate from England to Canada, and furthermore, have now been granted Canadian citizenship.

In which case, perhaps this is a good time to remind ourselves that Canada is a federal parliamentary democracy, and also a constitutional monarchy, with Queen Elizabeth II being the current head of state.

I take it that as someone that is so against feudal dynasties i.e. Monarchies, that you will be renouncing y our Canadian citizenship shortly and be moving to the USA or elsewhere similar. You would not want to leave yourself open to thoughts of hypocrisy I am quite sure.
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Message 1713425 - Posted: 15 Aug 2015, 14:46:37 UTC - in response to Message 1713352.  

I take it that as someone that is so against feudal dynasties i.e. Monarchies, that you will be renouncing y our Canadian citizenship shortly and be moving to the USA or elsewhere similar. You would not want to leave yourself open to thoughts of hypocrisy I am quite sure.


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I've seen where you've made this kind of post before. Poor. Very poor.

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