Yep.

Another Ton of Money being shipped to customers.

It's GOoD to be in Fetal Parts and Whole Fetal Biz.

Hey, 'it' has been going on for 60 plus years.

Legal Abortion wasn't about Women's Rights, it 'is' about Big Big Big Bizness of Medical, Bio-Medical and Bio-Technology need
for these Tiniest of Lives. The Real Reason R v W passed 40+ years ago.

Legality made The Biz BOOM and So Much More Lucrative.

Dat and a lot of Muckity Mucks needed a 'Legal' Path to get out of Their 'Trouble' with certain Females they had No Business getting in trouble.

J. Mengele would be Proud.

Yep.

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I find those reported deals repulsive also. But would it stop if the US did defund planned parenet hood. No, then they would just outright sell them anyway to fucnd them selves. Make abortion illeagal? Nope Dr.s would get rich selling tissue along with doing the abortions n back alley so to speak.

Its clear asking for abstinance dosent work no matter how much the church wants it. And said church dosent belive in birth control pills. So how would you handle it? What are your profund ideas? Castration of all males at birth. Tying the tubes of all females at birth? We want to know what yuo think is the right thing to do.

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I find those reported deals repulsive also. But would it stop if the US did defund planned parenet hood. No, then they would just outright sell them anyway to fucnd them selves. Make abortion illeagal? Nope Dr.s would get rich selling tissue along with doing the abortions n back alley so to speak.

Its clear asking for abstinance dosent work no matter how much the church wants it. And said church dosent belive in birth control pills. So how would you handle it? What are your profund ideas? Castration of all males at birth. Tying the tubes of all females at birth? We want to know what yuo think is the right thing to do.

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If a crime has been committed...

I fault the Politicized DOJ and The FBI in not starting an investigation.

It is their politics, which may make the defunding of Planned Parenthood, and difficulty in obtaining an abortion, a reality.

Except no crime was committed, that video was just cut in such a way that it sounded like they were doing something very disgusting and illegal. The video came from a group that is also known for making heavily edited videos designed to make planned parenthood look back.

Don't buy into the whole anti abortion activists terror tactics to get what they want. Because make no mistake, those activists are nothing short of terrorists.

Where do you get the information that the tapes were 'doctored' to show that...

New tapes are coming out, as we post.

One quick google search is all it takes:

Look here.
CNN says its edited.
Planned Parenthood says its edited.
Factcheck says the claims made Conservatives are utter bull and that the video is edited to mislead people.
And the organization who made the video have ties to domestic anti-abortion terrorist organization 'Operation Rescue'.

You really believe all involved inside Planned Parenthood, are without sin?

Compared to those terrorists who fight against abortions? Yeah, PP people are pretty much saints.

You really believe all involved inside Planned Parenthood, are without sin?

Compared to those terrorists who fight against abortions? Yeah, PP people are pretty much saints.

You really believe any possible criminal act, should not be investigated?

Really?

I don't see Мишель saying anywhere that they shouldn't be investigated. Мишель's claim is that the allegations are false and deliberately made to look illegal by a group that are staunchly anti-abortion.

You really believe all involved inside Planned Parenthood, are without sin?

Compared to those terrorists who fight against abortions? Yeah, PP people are pretty much saints.

You really believe any possible criminal act, should not be investigated?

Really?

I don't see Мишель saying anywhere that they shouldn't be investigated. Мишель's claim is that the allegations are false and deliberately made to look illegal by a group that are staunchly anti-abortion.

Where is the proof for his statement, that the Right Wing allegations are false?

Editing a long tape, is not the same as falsifying the evidence. If any.

Correct?

Then make that argument instead of insinuating that Мишель is claiming that criminal activity shouldn't be investigated.

He was being silly. But making a valid point. And my reply was sarcastic. But making a valid point.

So?

So? From my reading of this thread so far, Мишель was trying to create his argument and defend his point of view while you were misrepresenting his argument and making erroneous assumptions about his stance. Thus, your point didn't really counter-point his view. Your point, however valid you think it might, is off the mark in accordance with the arguments Мишель has setup.

So? From my reading of this thread so far, Мишель was trying to create his argument and defend his point of view while you were misrepresenting his argument and making erroneous assumptions about his stance. Thus, your point didn't really counter-point his view. Your point, however valid you think it might, is off the mark in accordance with the arguments Мишель has setup.

OzzFan...

You're obsessed.

Your problem.

I'm obsessed because I spoke up about your incorrect insinuation against Мишель? I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Too bad, most of my 'attackers' are missing one, or more, of Intelligence, Insightfulness, or Education.

All are missing Maturity.

So you think insulting everyone that responds to you by stating they are missing intelligence (are stupid), insightfulness (lack of deeper understanding into issues), and education (so we're all uneducated now?) is the best way forward while simultaneously proving you're more mature?

Where is the proof for his statement, that the Right Wing allegations are false?

Editing a long tape, is not the same as falsifying the evidence. If any.

Correct?

Did you not read the 5 links I posted? Four of them clearly stated that the tape was edited in such a way to make Planned Parenthood look like they were doing something illegal. The 5th link showed that the organization that made the tape and who edited it have connections to a domestic terrorist organization. But sure, by all means, trust their word for it when they say they did no such thing.

Where is the proof for his statement, that the Right Wing allegations are false?

Editing a long tape, is not the same as falsifying the evidence. If any.

Correct?

Did you not read the 5 links I posted? Four of them clearly stated that the tape was edited in such a way to make Planned Parenthood look like they were doing something illegal. The 5th link showed that the organization that made the tape and who edited it have connections to a domestic terrorist organization. But sure, by all means, trust their word for it when they say they did no such thing.

Мишель...

Yes, I did read your references.

They speak (disregarding political attacks) of 'Editing'. Some substantial.

'Editing' a long tape for brevity, does not mean substantially changing the accusation.

Yes, I do understand there is a 'He said - He said' debate regarding these tapes.

As a Pro-Abortion Advocate: I believe there has to be an investigation, which includes a subpoena of the entire tapes. Why not? Let's get to the truth. Why not?

If criminal activity is disclosed by individuals, or small groups within Planned Parenthood (Edit: Which I support). They must suffer the consequences. If not - why not?

No... I do not take at 'face value' the accusations of this Right Wing Group.

Nor do I take at 'face value' the denials.

Both have a reason to lie.

Now this post is a much-better stated position and an improvement over your usual. Thanks CYLDE.

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...a much-better stated position...

'Positions' of Fetal Parts and Whole Fetal Body, are Well 'Protected', Properly 'Cooled', and Will Make 'it' 'Home' Safe & Sound to Their Medical, Bio-Medical, Bio-Technology 'Purchasers'.

All 'Other' 'Positions' are Moot, until 'Truth' 'is' 'Known'.

Now, Reverence Might Be Appropriate, for The Lost Potential of Living.

May Their 'Sacrifice' due to HuWoMan Avarice be 'Worth' 'it'.

Certainly Financial Statements of Medical, Bio-Medical, Bio-Technology Companies are Healthier for Their Demise.

And PPs.

Money. Some 'People' Gots to Have 'it'.

Death 'is' GOoD 'Bizness'.

Yep.

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He was being silly. But making a valid point. And my reply was sarcastic. But making a valid point.

So?

Fascinating.

Where is the proof for his statement, that the Right Wing allegations are false?

Editing a long tape, is not the same as falsifying the evidence. If any.

Correct?

Did you not read the 5 links I posted? Four of them clearly stated that the tape was edited in such a way to make Planned Parenthood look like they were doing something illegal. The 5th link showed that the organization that made the tape and who edited it have connections to a domestic terrorist organization. But sure, by all means, trust their word for it when they say they did no such thing.

As I have not followed the links, do they provide evidence that the tapes are edited in such a way as to misrepresent the story or do they just claim that?

Where is the proof for his statement, that the Right Wing allegations are false?

Editing a long tape, is not the same as falsifying the evidence. If any.

Correct?

Did you not read the 5 links I posted? Four of them clearly stated that the tape was edited in such a way to make Planned Parenthood look like they were doing something illegal. The 5th link showed that the organization that made the tape and who edited it have connections to a domestic terrorist organization. But sure, by all means, trust their word for it when they say they did no such thing.

As I have not followed the links, do they provide evidence that the tapes are edited in such a way as to misrepresent the story or do they just claim that?

They talk whats on the unedited tapes, on which it becomes very clear that Planned Parenthood is not selling body parts or fetuses for a profit. The money they ask is to cover for storage and transportation costs, although some experts think that the money they ask for that probably doesn't even fully cover the costs. And giving those fetuses or body parts or whatever to research institutions is perfectly legal.

The edited tapes on the other hand are cut in such a way that it appears that Planned Parenthood is selling the stuff for a profit (which is illegal), which clearly is utter nonsense.

Мишель...

Yes, I did read your references.

They speak (disregarding political attacks) of 'Editing'. Some substantial.

'Editing' a long tape for brevity, does not mean substantially changing the accusation.

It is when in the edited tapes it appears Planned Parenthood is selling body parts and fetuses for a profit, when in the unedited tapes they clearly say Planned Parenthood only asks some money to cover the costs for storage and transportation and that they do not make a profit of this, nor are they trying to make a profit.

As a Pro-Abortion Advocate: I believe there has to be an investigation, which includes a subpoena of the entire tapes. Why not? Let's get to the truth. Why not?

The truth is already out there, and if you have read the links I provided you would know.

If criminal activity is disclosed by individuals, or small groups within Planned Parenthood (Edit: Which I support). They must suffer the consequences. If not - why not?

If there was any criminal activity, sure, but from the unedited tapes it becomes very clear that nothing illegal was going on. Giving aborted tissue to research institutions is legal, and asking those research institutions to pay PP to cover part the storage and transportation costs is entirely reasonable and also not illegal. The worst thing that you can accuse PP of in these tapes is that the PP representative comes off as a bit insensitive, and for that they have already apologized.

No... I do not take at 'face value' the accusations of this Right Wing Group.

Nor do I take at 'face value' the denials.

Both have a reason to lie.

No, you dont take them at face value, but you are all to willing to buy into the narrative that Planned Parenthood is maybe doing something illegal, based entirely on some edited tape where Planned Parenthood is made to look bad. The simple fact remains that the tape was edited in such a way to make PP look bad. If you look at whats on the rest of the tape, which you would have read about if you read my links, you would know that nothing illegal was going on and there simply is no reason to believe that PP is doing something illegal.

Yet you refuse to do this, and give far to much credibility to a group that has lied to the public and associates with domestic terrorists.

As know know. I despise Right Wing Groups.

So why not, to (hopefully) destroy the credibility of these 'types': Institute an investigation by the DOJ?

What is the fear?

Fearing that some criminal activity may be involved (all organizations are with sin), And this may result in defunding a Women's Rights: Will eventually destroy the credibility, of those advocating for Women's Rights.

Do not fear The Truth, and always apologize for any mistakes. This will increase your credibility.

Well lets put it this way. Say one day you are interviewed by someone. You give a normal interview and nothing seems wrong. Then the next day, you say the interview and suddenly in this interview you are admitting to doing all kinds of illegal things.

Well you obviously notice that this interview has been edited in such a way to make you look like a criminal. Then you do a background check on the people that interviewed you, and you notice they have some ties with some very shady people.

Now, should the police investigate your life, go through your house, make a mess of everything and scrutinize every single detail of who you are? According to you, yes, they absolutely must, even though the entire reason for this investigation is based on a lie told by someone who wanted to slander you.

If you ask me, the only people that need to be investigated in such a situation are the people that interviewed you and then edited the interview tapes. And if they don't find anything to throw them in jail for, I would follow with a massive civil suit and sue them for every penny they got.

As know know. I despise Right Wing Groups.

So why not, to (hopefully) destroy the credibility of these 'types': Institute an investigation by the DOJ?

What is the fear?

Fearing that some criminal activity may be involved (all organizations are with sin), And this may result in defunding a Women's Rights: Will eventually destroy the credibility, of those advocating for Women's Rights.

Do not fear The Truth, and always apologize for any mistakes. This will increase your credibility.

Well lets put it this way. Say one day you are interviewed by someone. You give a normal interview and nothing seems wrong. Then the next day, you say the interview and suddenly in this interview you are admitting to doing all kinds of illegal things.

Well you obviously notice that this interview has been edited in such a way to make you look like a criminal. Then you do a background check on the people that interviewed you, and you notice they have some ties with some very shady people.

Now, should the police investigate your life, go through your house, make a mess of everything and scrutinize every single detail of who you are? According to you, yes, they absolutely must, even though the entire reason for this investigation is based on a lie told by someone who wanted to slander you.

If you ask me, the only people that need to be investigated in such a situation are the people that interviewed you and then edited the interview tapes. And if they don't find anything to throw them in jail for, I would follow with a massive civil suit and sue them for every penny they got.

Your obviously not a lawyer. You sue their buts first. Then you depose them right after the police have read them their miranda warning. Every answer they give is likely to be "I refuse to answer on the grounds ..." Now that is a good case in front of a civil jury! Unfortunately trouble makers are usually flat broke to begin with.

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That these Planned Parenthood individuals have not instituted a Civil Lawsuit. Does make me wonder.

Remember Watergate?

It is not the crime. It is the cover-up - stupid.

I do hope and pray, that Planned Parenthood doesn't make the same mistake.

If they do, what most organizations do, when confronted with...

It will not be a Right Wing Murder. But a Planned Parenthood Suicide.

Its a good question. From a quick google search it appears that Planned Parenthood generally doesn't sue pro life groups over anything. Perhaps they don't want to get involved in some legal mud slinging contest? I suppose that, even if they have very valid grounds for a civil suit, it would damage their reputation in the long run? It would only further inflame pro life groups, and possibly escalate the type of actions pro life groups already undertake against Planned Parenthood? Also, they might end up looking like the big bad guys that are trampling over a bunch of annoying protesters? No doubt that in more conservative media it would be framed as 'abortion behemoth stamps over pro life activists quest for truth and justice.'

In any case, I very much doubt its because they are afraid of skeletons in their closet. Frankly, I don't think they have any skeletons. They are highly scrutinized by conservatives who are just waiting for them to do something so they can be closed down. No one is capable of hiding something under such scrutiny.

Much of 'Harvesting' happens on Live fetus.

Some Late Term.

Alive.

Yep.

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