And it seems to work very well, in this country gun rights are more important than results. We used to be a country of pragmatists now we have "risen" to the level of ideologues.

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JaundicedEye I hope you could watch the whole show as John Howard clearly explains what wedged politics are .

The full show shows how because the shooter and fishers party is in my own state changed a law about guns and not long after it was changed a women goes to a gun club to shoot a weapon but as soon as she was left by herself she walked out with the gun and 30 rounds of ammo and then shot her father dead .

What did the shooter and fishers change .?

The police checks that would have shown this person had mental heath issues and should not have been able to shoot the weapon at the gun club or even been given one

The argument was it took to long 28 days before the police checks would be done , called the cooling off period and this was not acceptable a inconvenience and cost money .

Total B/S . Maybe that rick leader of that party should talk to the family that lost there father oh that's right the daughter and sister was in the show and told him to his face .

The shooters and fishers party is back by the F-ing NRA so don't ever say you are not trying to stuff my country up when the F-ing NRA are doing exactly that .

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How the government teaches kids to love the Motherland and to fight for it.
Today, Russians are sending their children to military-patriotic clubs which get boys and girls ready for military service, teach them to love their country and to fight for it, using a rich variety of weapons.
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2015/07/16/russia-s-littlest-soldiers
Actually I joined a shooting club when I was about 14, 15 years old:)
Love the smell of gun powder in the morning:)

From the article you cited Glenn.

The legislation was followed by a gun buyback amnesty, and the laws have seen gun-related deaths drop from around 600 per year, to 230 in 2014.

My question, if you have confiscated all the firearms, made it impossible to obtain a firearm, how come there were 230 'gun-related deaths' in Australia in 2014? I thought your law made that impossible.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

From the article you cited Glenn.

The legislation was followed by a gun buyback amnesty, and the laws have seen gun-related deaths drop from around 600 per year, to 230 in 2014.

My question, if you have confiscated all the firearms, made it impossible to obtain a firearm, how come there were 230 'gun-related deaths' in Australia in 2014? I thought your law made that impossible.

"They" didn't "confiscate all the firearms" DG, "they" just made certain that types of firearms that wern't already illegal illegal to possess here by the "general public" by law and they offered a "no questions asked" buyback of those suddenly illegal weapons.

This thread explains more, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=78727.

Generally most firearm incidents here are either by illegally imported or stolen weapons which are a headache, but the murder/suicide rate amongst farmers is the only stat we can't seem to contain.

Cheers.

From the article you cited Glenn.

The legislation was followed by a gun buyback amnesty, and the laws have seen gun-related deaths drop from around 600 per year, to 230 in 2014.

My question, if you have confiscated all the firearms, made it impossible to obtain a firearm, how come there were 230 'gun-related deaths' in Australia in 2014? I thought your law made that impossible.

"They" didn't "confiscate all the firearms" DG, "they" just made certain that types of firearms that wern't already illegal illegal to possess here by the "general public" by law and they offered a "no questions asked" buyback of those suddenly illegal weapons.

This thread explains more, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=78727.

Generally most firearm incidents here are either by illegally imported or stolen weapons which are a headache, but the murder/suicide rate amongst farmers is the only stat we can't seem to contain.

Cheers.

My bet is that is that most firearm incidents are also drug and alcohole related.
Whatever the country it may be.
Donald Trump however thinks that guns solve problems.
What a joker he is:)

JaundicedEye seeing as you asked a stupid question my answer is Watch the program before one opens ones big mouth

Edit: 600 deaths down to 230 mm your right gun control doesn't work seeing as we haven't stopped them all so better to go back to the way it was and bring the death rate back up to 600 then right ......a good example of a moron .

A moron has a IQ of less than 80

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JaundicedEye seeing as you asked a stupid question my answer is Watch the program before one opens ones big mouth

Edit: 600 deaths down to 230 mm your right gun control doesn't work seeing as we haven't stopped them all so better to go back to the way it was and bring the death rate back up to 600 then right ......a good example of a moron .

A moron has a IQ of less than 80

You are not I hope suggesting that JaundiceEys has a big mouth or is a moron are you?

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JaundicedEye seeing as you asked a stupid question my answer is Watch the program before one opens ones big mouth

Edit: 600 deaths down to 230 mm your right gun control doesn't work seeing as we haven't stopped them all so better to go back to the way it was and bring the death rate back up to 600 then right ......a good example of a moron .

A moron has a IQ of less than 80

And you are constantly proving that YOURS must be less than 50.
Keep proving it with your arrogant mouth.

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

JaundicedEye seeing as you asked a stupid question my answer is Watch the program before one opens ones big mouth

Edit: 600 deaths down to 230 mm your right gun control doesn't work seeing as we haven't stopped them all so better to go back to the way it was and bring the death rate back up to 600 then right ......a good example of a moron .

A moron has a IQ of less than 80

You are not I hope suggesting that JaundiceEys has a big mouth or is a moron are you?

What makes you think that .

I'm a covert mate JaundicedEye eye has made me see the light seeing as my math is hopeless as I thought 600 down to 230 was good but now I see that my math is wrong and it's the other way around so I must be the moron then .

I think I should have another drink too

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JaundicedEye seeing as you asked a stupid question my answer is Watch the program before one opens ones big mouth

Edit: 600 deaths down to 230 mm your right gun control doesn't work seeing as we haven't stopped them all so better to go back to the way it was and bring the death rate back up to 600 then right ......a good example of a moron .

A moron has a IQ of less than 80

You are not I hope suggesting that JaundiceEys has a big mouth or is a moron are you?

What makes you think that .

I'm a covert mate JaundicedEye eye has made me see the light seeing as my math is hopeless as I thought 600 down to 230 was good but now I see that my math is wrong and it's the other way around so I must be the moron then .

I think I should have another drink too

What I and the other moderators are trying to do is keep the forums as friendly as is humanly possible in a forum that discusses politics and religion.

What ever your personal beliefs and feelings, whatever your personal political convictions. Others are allowed to have opinions and beliefs that conflict with yours.

It does not mean because they do not see the world in the same way you do that they are somehow mentally deficient.

Please remember they are fellow crunchers and all deserve respect.

Pointing out you feel someone is wrong or misguided is fine, referring to links to articles that support your case is also good. Name calling of any sort is not!

Personally the more I see someone resort to name calling the lower they drop in my estimation.

If you do not think you can reply to a post without name calling and insults, then please refrain from posting until you can.

Thank you.

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JaundicedEye seeing as you asked a stupid question my answer is Watch the program before one opens ones big mouth

Edit: 600 deaths down to 230 mm your right gun control doesn't work seeing as we haven't stopped them all so better to go back to the way it was and bring the death rate back up to 600 then right ......a good example of a moron .

A moron has a IQ of less than 80

You are not I hope suggesting that JaundiceEys has a big mouth or is a moron are you?


What makes you think that .

I'm a covert mate JaundicedEye eye has made me see the light seeing as my math is hopeless as I thought 600 down to 230 was good but now I see that my math is wrong and it's the other way around so I must be the moron then .

I think I should have another drink too
What I and the other moderators are trying to do is keep the forums as friendly as is humanly possible in a forum that discusses politics and religion.

What ever your personal beliefs and feelings, whatever your personal political convictions. Others are allowed to have opinions and beliefs that conflict with yours.

It does not mean because they do not see the world in the same way you do that they are somehow mentally deficient.

Please remember they are fellow crunchers and all deserve respect.

Pointing out you feel someone is wrong or misguided is fine, referring to links to articles that support your case is also good. Name calling of any sort is not!

Personally the more I see someone resort to name calling the lower they drop in my estimation.

If you do not think you can reply to a post without name calling and insults, then please refrain from posting until you can.

Thank you.

So long as it also is meant for these comments too

And you are constantly proving that YOURS must be less than 50.
Keep proving it with your arrogant mouth.

Not that I'm offended by it but seeing as I wasn't answering this persons post I spose I should be but my skin is thicker that that.

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Thank you Glenn for finally admitting that removing guns from society does not eliminate gun violence from society. That is the point I and my fellow gun rights advocates have been trying to make for so long. For your information I did watch the the program you linked, all I got from it is 'we had a short period of time to act while the population was still traumatized by the massacre to convince them to turn in their guns'. Your self described 'Wedge Politics'.

As Wiggo pointed out, guns are still being obtained illegally by criminals or others. It would be the same in the US if we did the same 'buyback'. It's an old and tired adage but it's true: "When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns". The rest of the story is when only outlaws have guns those that abide by the law are left defenseless.

You can call the Police and they will come, but most probably not in time to do anything but ID the bodies.

As to my being a moron for having a different view of the world, the next time you insult me that way I will alert the Moderators and see if we can get you the time out you desperately need. I will point out however that your penis envy over my right to own and shoot a weapon when you can't is rather obvious and is becoming tedious, as I'm sure this back and forth over it has become to other setizens.

In that vein I will not comment further on the subject unless I am again attacked.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

If you did watch it then explain how the leader of the fishers and shooters party can say it's ok to have mandatory sentencing of 20 years for having a unregistered gun .

That means no need for a court or lawyers you go to jail for 20 years and no appeal

And yet it's all about your freedom and right to own a gun . It's hypocritical at best .

And how can a ping pong game be more dangerous than a gun club when you can walk in with no gun then walk out with a gun and ammo and kill someone.

Or that a drop off 60% in gun deaths means that there has been nothing good out off gun control.

John Howard did say you CAN'T stop all the deaths or all the illegal guns .

Wedge politics seeing as you conveniently missed it . Is talking and talking and never doing anything as I have said make something simple into something complicated to confuse baffle and cause arguments .

Witch is the tactic of the N.R.A and they and there followers make moronic statements that don't even make sense

If you watched it you would have also seen it was the leader of the shooters party that drew up the changes to police checks and that resulted in a mans death (the laws have not been changed for long)

So if you want me to shut up then get your N.R.A out of our business first and stop trying to change our laws .

Stop backing the shooters Party with your cash donations

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Thank you Glenn for finally admitting that removing guns from society does not eliminate gun violence from society. That is the point I and my fellow gun rights advocates have been trying to make for so long. For your information I did watch the the program you linked, all I got from it is 'we had a short period of time to act while the population was still traumatized by the massacre to convince them to turn in their guns'. Your self described 'Wedge Politics'.

As Wiggo pointed out, guns are still being obtained illegally by criminals or others. It would be the same in the US if we did the same 'buyback'. It's an old and tired adage but it's true: "When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns". The rest of the story is when only outlaws have guns those that abide by the law are left defenseless.

You can call the Police and they will come, but most probably not in time to do anything but ID the bodies.

As to my being a moron for having a different view of the world, the next time you insult me that way I will alert the Moderators and see if we can get you the time out you desperately need. I will point out however that your penis envy over my right to own and shoot a weapon when you can't is rather obvious and is becoming tedious, as I'm sure this back and forth over it has become to other setizens.

In that vein I will not comment further on the subject unless I am again attacked.

How to lie with statistics. Plot both of them on the same axis. It doesn't look so wonderful then.

Gary you can fiddle the numbers all you wish but you can't fiddle the fact that there has been a 100% drop in mass killings

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How to lie with statistics. Plot both of them on the same axis. It doesn't look so wonderful then.

No it would make it look much, much worse. The US scale is 4 * the Australian scale.

Another subject. In addition to my post 1777609 the Washington Post has just published this info. A new divide in American death

How to lie with statistics. Plot both of them on the same axis. It doesn't look so wonderful then.

No it would make it look much, much worse. The US scale is 4 * the Australian scale.

You actually have that backwards, the US scale is 1/4 the Australian. So changes in the Australian rate are exaggerated 4X over changes in the US rate.

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You actually have that backwards, the US scale is 1/4 the Australian. So changes in the Australian rate are exaggerated 4X over changes in the US rate

that's if you believe the figures witch is hard to believe since you don't keep good stats for gun deaths in your country .

When a top adviser (or he could be the ) for the attorney general says

There will always be a black market so gun control wont work you have a serious problem with corruption .

As that logic means there's no need for any laws as there is always a black market for everything .

Good night time for bed , should I now close my front door instead of leaving it open like I do every night guess we aren't safe and I need a gun . phef!!!!

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