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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Then someone argues that its capitalism that has lifted millions out of poverty, because 'the government stepped back'. Ehhh, not exactly. What you see in China, and Singapore and all those other countries that are quickly getting stronger economies is not that the government steps back. They have adopted hybrid forms of capitalism, that do actually involve a lot of state control and state protection. Its state capitalism, not free market capitalism. Ah yes, China and the command economy. Ask the workers at Foxcon building those Apple products how perfect the system is. Ask the women in China that had to report to the sterilization center how perfect the system is. Oh, it is getting results, maybe better than greed, or is it just greed of naked power rather then greed of money? All you Americans, don't feel that can't happen here, ask anyone living here in WWII about a ration book. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aR6Eq.uqJAyA Excellent points. I was also going to mention how Capitalism relies on the undervalued work of women. Jobs like caring for children, the sick and the elderly that underpin civilisation and contribute highly to a countries GDP are not valued or even accounted for in Capitalism. There is also no accounting the many other externalised costs that do not make things better for people. The obvious destruction of the planet springs to mind. Many systems before have not been great for people, but not one has come this close to destroying the very ecosystem we depend on to live. Reality Internet Personality |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Mad Max: Fury Road enrages Men's Rights Activists who claim they are being duped into watching 'feminist propaganda' I was already looking forward to seeing this movie tomorrow. Now I am even more excited! I shall let you all know if it is indeed Feminist Propaganda as promised. Reality Internet Personality |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Mad Max: Fury Road enrages Men's Rights Activists who claim they are being duped into watching 'feminist propaganda' Gosh, dumb me just figured they put a pretty girl on the screen longer to make male teenage hormone bombs spend more to see all the flesh. Never would have thought of it as feminist propaganda. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Many systems before have not been great for people, but not one has come this close to destroying the very ecosystem we depend on to live.Have any of those other systems been in use long enough to have a chance to do so? |
Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
From the Guardian newspaper: "Study shows that modern hunter-gatherer tribes operate on egalitarian basis, suggesting inequality was an aberration that came with the advent of agriculture" Sex equality can explain the unique social structure of hunter-gatherer bands |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
From the Guardian newspaper: Would not be the first time that it has been suggested that the idle time created by agriculture is the causal agent of greed. The question then would be: which is worse, no free time or greed? |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
That is a reasonable point of view. This "baby oven" business is two sided. What about a genuinely in love couple that can't have children because the wife cannot conceive. They go down the route of IVF with a surrogate mother. The surrogate mother may do it out of compassion for the couple, she may do it for the money. Is it wrong in that case given the outcome? I.V.F for profit is wrong . However paying the medical bills i think is ok just not paying a surrogate is where you go wrong and should not be allowed . Most woman would be able to find a family member prepared to help a couple this way . This i belieave is how it is here in Australia we have very strick laws about this thing . Surrogacy is not allowed unless they are family or there is no "Fee" charged . It's caused people to go overseas to do it and has even lead to 1 child being left in Thailand because it was born with Down syndrome . I belieave they are looking at this problem now . Women forced to sell their bodies on the street as prostitutes just to eat and to survive is totally abhorrent to me, but it has gone on since biblical times, Yes i agree when it's done to feed a drug habit or under threats or forced bondage then it's borders on crime . since biblical times, and I think it always will do. Then again we have the high society women that are classed as "escorts" that make very serious money and actually enjoy the lifestyle that it gives them. What about them, are they being exploited or are they in turn exploiting others themselves? If a woman wishes to work in the oldest trade there is what's wrong with that . Here it's legal to have a Lic'd Brothel . There are health regulations , workers comp, and standard's . It pays good and as for them using men , not all there clients are men ! and they are only providing a service SO LONG AS IT'S THERE CHOISCE good luck to them at least there not marring a guy for money which is far worse and dishonest at best than outdated attitudes . |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
I think you are forgetting that everyday there are people who are trying to take away all these rights that we fought for. Not one of these things occurred because 'benevolent capitalism' gave them too us. Pretty much all of them were fought for and in a lot of cases people died so we could have them. Exploitation has gotten harder because people stood up and said "no, this is wrong". +100 especially the last part |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Personally to eradicate a majority of poverty over the world I think that all companies on the Stock Market should all be force to buy their shareholders out and the Stock Market should be closed down. Wiggo i noticed they just ran straight pass that . Must think where all a bunch of Socialists down here with them comments mate . SHUT THE STOCK MARKET .......shock horror . Na just restrik the speculation on Futures , out Law Derivatives
The G.F.C was made much worse because of this type of trading . About time we learnt to start spending our money wisely |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Then someone argues that its capitalism that has lifted millions out of poverty, because 'the government stepped back'. Ehhh, not exactly. What you see in China, and Singapore and all those other countries that are quickly getting stronger economies is not that the government steps back. They have adopted hybrid forms of capitalism, that do actually involve a lot of state control and state protection. Its state capitalism, not free market capitalism. Foxcon ....big YES to DO NOT BUY list that means APPLE Sterilization ? they have stopped that now there One Child polisy is still there but it's been changed . More human now , the parents are fined very heaverly , I understand why they have it too , 1,500,000,000 people so i don't consider it a communist or socialist thing , more some thing they have to do . Bit like Kangaroo's in the wild they get so big there populations , first big drought they all start dieing . China just has tooooo many people As for WW ii let's hope things don't get that bad or go that far again |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
[/quohttp://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aR6Eq.uqJAyA you did meantion it so! caring for children ! is it not a 2 person job caring for your kids !putting a price on that or looking after your parents is the wrong way to look at those things . Women haven't had good pay and things in the past but now in some Country's it's changing , we are all guilty of stuffing the plants up it's not only men . Unions and standing up for yourself does help . Women are to afraid to ask for a pay rise or better conditions to work , Capitalism is bad if we let it be bad . AKA: FREE MARKETS , FREE EVERYTHING , NO UNIONS , blah , blah blah !! |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
caring for children ! is it not a 2 person job caring for your kids ! No chris i think even single parents need help and know they need help , can't work and look after the kids at the same time . We put a price on nanny's and day care but there perfect strangers not family you can't put a price on family is what i was getting at . Ess said it's not valude but i beg to differ .Depends where you live as to your work conditions and pay rates . Nursing home , good money for nursing assistant grade 5 geriatric very good money . Ess argument is becoming less true , the glass ceiling is cracking these days , still we are not queit there . |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Yes of course two parents are best, but this world of ours in real life doesn't always provide that.Yes, in some places it is 5 parents, 1 male and 4 female. Other places two of the same sex. Sometimes it is god parents. Other places it is state nanny. There may still be a few places where it is an entire tribe as parents. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Care Work and the Power of Women: An Interview with Selma James Some of the points I was actually trying to make are discussed in this interview. Care work goes beyond raising children and is often unseen (as shown by the responses to my post). In fact, that women’s struggles are labor politics, but they’re unwaged labor politics. And they’re not less important or more important but integral to the entire picture. There is waged work in the society, and there is unwaged work in the society, and they’re both absolutely crucial to the accumulation of capital and to its destruction. Reality Internet Personality |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Well I went to see the new Mad Max movie, and it was pretty much like all the others. A roller coaster adrenaline special effects action move. It was pretty bonkers and yes, it is a feminist movie. Reality Internet Personality |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Well I went to see the new Mad Max movie, and it was pretty much like all the others. A roller coaster adrenaline special effects action move. It was pretty bonkers and yes, it is a feminist movie. Great, I hope this becomes the new norm, action movies with either feminist themes or at least strong female characters. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Feminist themed movies no. Strong female characters in movies, yes by all means. There is a difference. People want to watch movies to be entertained not educated, openly nor subliminally. You say that as if entertainment and education are mutually exclusive. If you are good, you can do both, have an entertaining product and still teach people a thing or two. |
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