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Yesterday I encountered real-life case of auto-upgrading. It was my collegue's notebook that did auto-updated w/o his consent (actually he was AFK to kitchen just for few mins to found the upgrade proces started on his return). Update took ~1,5h and was real disaster. Few mission-critical programs refused to work under Win10 so his everyday work activity was ruined. Fortunately I was able to revert update back to Windows 8.1 (by stock means, it's still allowed) filling questionary why I reverting back and hitting quite a lot confirmation buttons that "I'm sure I wanna drop wonderful Win10 and return to stone age of Win8.1" so to speak. Auto-install of recommended updates was enabled on that notebook. So, beware! |
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Fortunately I was able to revert update back to Windows 8.1 (by stock means, it's still allowed) filling questionary why I reverting back and hitting quite a lot confirmation buttons that "I'm sure I wanna drop wonderful Win10 and return to stone age of Win8.1" so to speak. You can also revert by just clicking Decline on the EULA then confirming: ![]() ![]() |
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Fortunately I was able to revert update back to Windows 8.1 (by stock means, it's still allowed) filling questionary why I reverting back and hitting quite a lot confirmation buttons that "I'm sure I wanna drop wonderful Win10 and return to stone age of Win8.1" so to speak. As I said (please re-read) update was installed in automatic mode w/o user consent. That's the issue. |
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Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13886 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 ![]() ![]() |
As I said (please re-read) update was installed in automatic mode w/o user consent. That's the issue. It's one of the reasons M$ has been copping so much flack for the way they are pushing the upgrades. When they changed the status of the upgrade from "Optional" to "Recommended" the result was that Win10 became just like all the other Windows updates. If you have Windows update set to "Automatically download & install updates" that's what it does, downloads & then installs the update. Since Win10 is now considered the same as a normal update, it gets installed. No need to agree to the EULA as you already agreed to the update by selecting "Automatically download & install updates" for Windows Update. The last time Win10 was made a "Recommended update" there was a huge backlash, so it was reverted back to a "Optional update". I'm guessing they've changed it back to "Recommended" again. Anyone that has Windows Update set to "Notify me of any new updates" won't have this problem. Grant Darwin NT |
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As I said (please re-read) update was installed in automatic mode w/o user consent. That's the issue. As I already mentioned in this thread. I left a Windows 7 VM running with auto update enabled. Then I came back it to to find it running Windows 10. The only purpose of that VM was to see if an auto install of Windows 10 would happen. It would seem that if auto update is enabled it is taken as consent to install Windows 10. SETI@home classic workunits: 93,865 CPU time: 863,447 hours ![]() |
Sirius B ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24922 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 ![]() |
Well MS aggressive marketing seems to be working here & also causing some issues. Have had 6 systems in this week (4 laptops, 2 desktops, Intel/AMD) all with the same issue. ALL had gone for the "Free" update to Win 10 & installed it. On the final reboot, systems got stuck in an "automatic repair" mode with no progress. Fortuately all are regulars who I have recovery disks for. Have another 5 coming this weekend with the very same issue. All systems were running Win 7 Home 64. WHAT are the odds that they all made the same mistake? |
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WHAT are the odds that they all made the same mistake?100%. The mistake was believing without question what M$ said. Those not learning from the lessons of Millennium and VISTA are now reliving those lessons. ![]() "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
Cosmic_Ocean ![]() Send message Joined: 23 Dec 00 Posts: 3027 Credit: 13,516,867 RAC: 13 ![]() ![]() |
Hmm.. I'm not entirely sure what to make of this one: [url=https://www.infoq.com/news/2016/06/visual-cpp-telemetry] Recently Reddit user "sammiesdog" posted claims that Visual Studio's C++ compiler was automatically adding function calls to Microsoft's telemetry services. The screenshot accompanying their post showed how a simple 5 line CPP file produced an assembly language file that included a function call titled "telemetry_main_invoke_trigger". Linux laptop: record uptime: 1511d 20h 19m (ended due to the power brick giving-up) |
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From AskWoody.com regarding June 2016 Patch Tuesday: Reminder: We’re still at MS-DEFCON 2 – don’t install anything Posted on June 15th, 2016 at 05:13 Many people are having BIG PROBLEMS with KB3159398 on Windows 7... Best Advice NOT TO INSTALL (unless you want to spend lots of time trying to fix a broken system). SOURCE: http://windowssecrets.com/forums/showthread.php/176234-Problem-with-KB3159398-(MS16-072)-User-GPO Problem with KB3159398 (MS16-072) - User GPO |
Richard Haselgrove ![]() Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14687 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 ![]() ![]() |
The Group Policy Object problem with KB3159398 will probably only affect workers attached to corporate networks - that may include some people here, but they'll know who they are. And they won't be doing their own updates anyway. I only saw one non-security update, and it said it was for time-zone changes only. I went ahead and installed, and no ill-effects so far. |
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The Group Policy Object problem with KB3159398 will probably only affect workers attached to corporate networks - that may include some people here, but they'll know who they are. And they won't be doing their own updates anyway. Owing to the fact that I don't care about time zone changes elsewhere, I hid that one as well. Also since I have IE 11 disabled, I hid that update as well. ![]() |
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Anyone got a recent list on all the different updates we need to remove? Been a while since the last one was published. Thanks |
Ulrich Metzner ![]() Send message Joined: 3 Jul 02 Posts: 1256 Credit: 13,565,513 RAC: 13 ![]() ![]() |
Anyone got a recent list on all the different updates we need to remove? Been a while since the last one was published. Thanks You are right, but i think the last list is still ok, cause the last bunch of updates was mainly (as far as i can tell!!) mainly ok... ?! {edit] Ok, you still have to hide the (re-released) updates, that pop up again from time to time, but they are already in the list... Aloha, Uli |
Cosmic_Ocean ![]() Send message Joined: 23 Dec 00 Posts: 3027 Credit: 13,516,867 RAC: 13 ![]() ![]() |
Anyone got a recent list on all the different updates we need to remove? Been a while since the last one was published. Thanks As far as I can tell, this is correct. There hasn't been anything new to avoid since version 8 of the list. Linux laptop: record uptime: 1511d 20h 19m (ended due to the power brick giving-up) |
Al ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 1682 Credit: 477,343,364 RAC: 482 ![]() ![]() |
Quick question, are any of the updates in the new Win 7 rollup that they just released a month or so ago for those of us who'd like to shorten the update process when loading a fresh install, that need to be removed? Or are all of those included with it A-Ok, and it's the next run of Windows update online that needs to be scrutinized closely? Just want to be clear on it, as I've used it once since I downloaded it, it does shorten the list of needed downloads, but at least for me didn't seem to significantly shorten the time that the 1st update after it was installed took to grind thru to show me the next set of supposedly needed updates. ![]() ![]() |
Cosmic_Ocean ![]() Send message Joined: 23 Dec 00 Posts: 3027 Credit: 13,516,867 RAC: 13 ![]() ![]() |
I know last month's rollup was basically a waste of being a rollup, as it only contained two fixes. Apparently, my WSUS service decided to forget how to access the database, so I haven't been able to see what updates have shown up for this month (my laptop has updates turned off, and this machine only contacts WSUS). So I'm trying to figure out how to get the WSUS service working again. I ran the WSUS installer and it detected that it was already installed and asked if I wanted to remove it, so I told it yes, and it goes straight to the "finished" screen saying "setup encountered and unknown error and no changes were made." It doesn't explain anything, and the event viewer just says there was a failed installation, but doesn't give an actual reason. I suspect when I was testing a GPU in that machine a few days ago and the system locked-up, it may have corrupted the DB. Linux laptop: record uptime: 1511d 20h 19m (ended due to the power brick giving-up) |
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Of my 7 machines, 3 are on Win10. Two others not upgraded because the upgrade didn't load (tried twice) and I am keeping this one (an Acer Travelmate running Win7 Pro) so I can still write Word documents without having to pay £106 for l Office 365. |
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