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Message 1734631 - Posted: 16 Oct 2015, 12:45:42 UTC - in response to Message 1734606.  

Installing Linux Mint is very easy indeed, but beware a hardware upgrade.
Installing new graphic drivers is a pain in the a**.

As i knew it before, i have disabled updates last year on my Win 7 partition.
I will use it as long as it works.


I use the sgfxi script for installing my Nvidia drivers. It automates the entire installation and upgrade process. I highly recommend it.

http://smxi.org/docs/sgfxi-manual.htm

X needs to be stopped prior to installation.

To install, I run (as root):
cd /usr/local/bin && wget -Nc smxi.org/sgfxi && chmod +x sgfxi && sgfxi

For upgrades, I simply run:
sgfxi

It takes care of the rest. :-)
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Message 1734708 - Posted: 16 Oct 2015, 18:07:08 UTC

Good news: Microsoft stops automatic Windows 10 upgrades, says default checked update was ‘a mistake’

“As part of our effort to bring Windows 10 to existing genuine Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 customers, the Windows 10 upgrade may appear as an optional update in the Windows Update (WU) control panel,” a Microsoft spokesperson told VentureBeat. “This is an intuitive and trusted place people go to find Recommended and Optional updates to Windows. In the recent Windows update, this option was checked as default; this was a mistake and we are removing Windows 10 from Windows Update for users that have not reserved a copy of Windows 10.”

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Message 1734839 - Posted: 17 Oct 2015, 5:53:15 UTC

Tool you may want (or not)

Windows 10 When I Want It (Win10wiwi)
http://win10wiwi.com/






Note for: Just enter your e-mail address and click "download":
I used this (instead of giving real e-mail)
https://10minutemail.com/10MinuteMail/index.html

Scan - Detection ratio: 0 / 56
https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/dd78e77bcbf689bb12149017e86ce61f569c0647ff5d0ffc360a109b555d17af/analysis/

Found on this comments:
http://www.askwoody.com/2015/microsoft-clobbers-block-win10-upgrade-settings/#comment-63650

Company:
http://www.sysstreaming.com
https://sites.google.com/site/sysstreaming/our-company


It seems to be good but I don't have a Windows 7 or 8 system to test it, use at your desire/risk
 


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Message 1735091 - Posted: 18 Oct 2015, 3:08:25 UTC - in response to Message 1734606.  
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Installing Linux Mint is very easy indeed, but beware a hardware upgrade.
Installing new graphic drivers is a pain in the a**.


yes it is .. graphic drivers are an issue .. I've not been able to work my way through that portion as yet
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Message 1735096 - Posted: 18 Oct 2015, 3:26:10 UTC - in response to Message 1735091.  

Installing Linux Mint is very easy indeed, but beware a hardware upgrade.
Installing new graphic drivers is a pain in the a**.


yes it is .. graphic drivers are an issue .. I've not been able to work my way through that portion as yet



Take a look at what I posted regarding sgfxi scripts.
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Message 1735134 - Posted: 18 Oct 2015, 7:23:03 UTC - in response to Message 1735091.  

Installing Linux Mint is very easy indeed, but beware a hardware upgrade.
Installing new graphic drivers is a pain in the a**.


yes it is .. graphic drivers are an issue .. I've not been able to work my way through that portion as yet

With the AMD driver it's pretty simple in Ubuntu. Go to System Settings/Software & Updates/Additional Drivers and click on the driver you want to install. Then Click on Apply Changes. That's all there is to it.
Unfortunately BOINC looks for the OpenCL library in /usr/lib instead of /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu, so if you have a problem with BOINC not seeing OpenCL it's probably because there isn't a link to the library in /usr/lib. Just make a link and it should work. Same thing happens with the nVidia driver and the libcuda.so library...
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Message 1735148 - Posted: 18 Oct 2015, 10:02:56 UTC - in response to Message 1735134.  

Installing Linux Mint is very easy indeed, but beware a hardware upgrade.
Installing new graphic drivers is a pain in the a**.


yes it is .. graphic drivers are an issue .. I've not been able to work my way through that portion as yet

With the AMD driver it's pretty simple in Ubuntu. Go to System Settings/Software & Updates/Additional Drivers and click on the driver you want to install. Then Click on Apply Changes. That's all there is to it.
Unfortunately BOINC looks for the OpenCL library in /usr/lib instead of /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu, so if you have a problem with BOINC not seeing OpenCL it's probably because there isn't a link to the library in /usr/lib. Just make a link and it should work. Same thing happens with the nVidia driver and the libcuda.so library...


Not possible.
No system, no shell and no keyboard in recovery mode.
It hangs during startup.


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Message 1735152 - Posted: 18 Oct 2015, 10:38:11 UTC - in response to Message 1735148.  

Installing Linux Mint is very easy indeed, but beware a hardware upgrade.
Installing new graphic drivers is a pain in the a**.


yes it is .. graphic drivers are an issue .. I've not been able to work my way through that portion as yet

With the AMD driver it's pretty simple in Ubuntu. Go to System Settings/Software & Updates/Additional Drivers and click on the driver you want to install. Then Click on Apply Changes. That's all there is to it.
Unfortunately BOINC looks for the OpenCL library in /usr/lib instead of /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu, so if you have a problem with BOINC not seeing OpenCL it's probably because there isn't a link to the library in /usr/lib. Just make a link and it should work. Same thing happens with the nVidia driver and the libcuda.so library...


Not possible.
No system, no shell and no keyboard in recovery mode.
It hangs during startup.

It sounds as though You tried to do a manual install without first removing the existing driver, or, you tried to manually install the Cat 15.7 driver in Linux 15.04. Neither of those scenarios work very well. The problem with 15.04 is supposed to be fixed in 15.10. If you are at that point I'd suggest reinstalling the system. Recently Ubuntu released an AMD driver with AMD-APP 1729 available in Additional drivers. That driver should work with the newer cards and avoid the problem with Cat 15.7. I'd stay with Linux 14.04.x for now.

When you reinstall if you aren't using a second partition for /home I'd suggest giving it a try. That way when you reinstall the system your home folder is left intact. It works even better if you use the Berkeley BOINC install and keep the BOINC folder in your Home folder, it makes reinstalling the system less painful.
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Message 1735179 - Posted: 18 Oct 2015, 14:55:36 UTC

My GPU died 2 weeks ago so i had no chance to uninstall drivers first :(
Linux should at least load with a generic driver like win does.
I did install Mint 17.2 just now with actual drivers.
Now Boinc doesn`t see my GPU like on win 7 last week.
Boinc version is 7.2.42.


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Message 1735189 - Posted: 18 Oct 2015, 15:15:37 UTC - in response to Message 1735179.  

My GPU died 2 weeks ago so i had no chance to uninstall drivers first :(
Linux should at least load with a generic driver like win does.
I did install Mint 17.2 just now with actual drivers.
Now Boinc doesn`t see my GPU like on win 7 last week.
Boinc version is 7.2.42.



Have you tried installing and running the sgfxi scripts like I've suggested? Works for both AMD and Nvidia.
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Message 1735191 - Posted: 18 Oct 2015, 15:28:52 UTC - in response to Message 1735179.  

My GPU died 2 weeks ago so i had no chance to uninstall drivers first :(
Linux should at least load with a generic driver like win does.
I did install Mint 17.2 just now with actual drivers.
Now Boinc doesn`t see my GPU like on win 7 last week.
Boinc version is 7.2.42.

That is strange seeing as how the new card should have been fine with the same driver. I've swapped cards between machines without having to mess with drivers a number of times with Ubuntu. Does the card show up when you run clinfo in the terminal? Did you check and see if there is a link to libOpenCL.so in /usr/lib? You can find the libOpenCL links in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu. You might as well make links to libOpenCL.so & libOpenCL.so.1 and move them both to /usr/lib. Once there right click on them, chose properties, and remove the Link to part of the name so they have the original name. That usually fixes it, as long as the card shows up in clinfo.
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Message 1735194 - Posted: 18 Oct 2015, 15:41:04 UTC - in response to Message 1735191.  

My GPU died 2 weeks ago so i had no chance to uninstall drivers first :(
Linux should at least load with a generic driver like win does.
I did install Mint 17.2 just now with actual drivers.
Now Boinc doesn`t see my GPU like on win 7 last week.
Boinc version is 7.2.42.

That is strange seeing as how the new card should have been fine with the same driver. I've swapped cards between machines without having to mess with drivers a number of times with Ubuntu. Does the card show up when you run clinfo in the terminal? Did you check and see if there is a link to libOpenCL.so in /usr/lib? You can find the libOpenCL links in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu. You might as well make links to libOpenCL.so & libOpenCL.so.1 and move them both to /usr/lib. Once there right click on them, chose properties, and remove the Link to part of the name so they have the original name. That usually fixes it, as long as the card shows up in clinfo.


I was wondering about that myself.
Yes CLinfo sees the card so i guess the drivers are installed correctly.
Its reporting as Tonga and OpenCL 2.0.


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Message 1735200 - Posted: 18 Oct 2015, 15:54:05 UTC - in response to Message 1735194.  

What about the libOpenCL.so links? The easiest way to install the links is to run gksu nautilus in the terminal. That will open a file browser window as root, from there it's the same as with Windows. Navigate to usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu, right click on the files and select Make Link, then drag the links to the address bar and drop them on lib. Click on lib to go there, scroll down to the bottom and rename the links to the original names...done. Launch BOINC and it should see the card.
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Message 1735201 - Posted: 18 Oct 2015, 15:59:44 UTC - in response to Message 1735148.  

Installing Linux Mint is very easy indeed, but beware a hardware upgrade.
Installing new graphic drivers is a pain in the a**.


yes it is .. graphic drivers are an issue .. I've not been able to work my way through that portion as yet

With the AMD driver it's pretty simple in Ubuntu. Go to System Settings/Software & Updates/Additional Drivers and click on the driver you want to install. Then Click on Apply Changes. That's all there is to it.
Unfortunately BOINC looks for the OpenCL library in /usr/lib instead of /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu, so if you have a problem with BOINC not seeing OpenCL it's probably because there isn't a link to the library in /usr/lib. Just make a link and it should work. Same thing happens with the nVidia driver and the libcuda.so library...


Not possible.
No system, no shell and no keyboard in recovery mode.
It hangs during startup.


I know based on a more recent post of yours that you solved this problem by doing a new install which might be the best way, or at least the fastest, if you don't care about any files you may have on the drive. There is however another way, at least for Slackware. You could have booted on the install CD or DVD and then exited to a command line prompt. Once there you could have mounted the boot partition that was giving you problems and then made the necessary changes to solve the hangup or video problem. At the very least, if there had been files on that partition that you didn't want to lose, you could have recovered them before doing a fresh install. Just a thought for the future.
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Message 1735206 - Posted: 18 Oct 2015, 16:12:29 UTC - in response to Message 1735200.  
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What about the libOpenCL.so links? The easiest way to install the links is to run gksu nautilus in the terminal. That will open a file browser window as root, from there it's the same as with Windows. Navigate to usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu, right click on the files and select Make Link, then drag the links to the address bar and drop them on lib. Click on lib to go there, scroll down to the bottom and rename the links to the original names...done. Launch BOINC and it should see the card.


There`s only a libOpenCL.so.1 in lib not x86***


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Message 1735208 - Posted: 18 Oct 2015, 16:28:43 UTC - in response to Message 1735206.  
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What about the libOpenCL.so links? The easiest way to install the links is to run gksu nautilus in the terminal. That will open a file browser window as root, from there it's the same as with Windows. Navigate to usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu, right click on the files and select Make Link, then drag the links to the address bar and drop them on lib. Click on lib to go there, scroll down to the bottom and rename the links to the original names...done. Launch BOINC and it should see the card.


There`s only a libOpenCL.so.1 in lib not x86***

If there is just libOpenCL.so.1 in /usr/lib then make a link to that file and rename the link to libOpenCL.so
I believe BOINC wants to see libOpenCL.so there.
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Message 1735213 - Posted: 18 Oct 2015, 16:50:56 UTC - in response to Message 1735208.  

What about the libOpenCL.so links? The easiest way to install the links is to run gksu nautilus in the terminal. That will open a file browser window as root, from there it's the same as with Windows. Navigate to usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu, right click on the files and select Make Link, then drag the links to the address bar and drop them on lib. Click on lib to go there, scroll down to the bottom and rename the links to the original names...done. Launch BOINC and it should see the card.


There`s only a libOpenCL.so.1 in lib not x86***

If there is just libOpenCL.so.1 in /usr/lib then make a link to that file and rename the link to libOpenCL.so
I believe BOINC wants to see libOpenCL.so there.


Doesn`t help.
Still no usable GPU found.
I think its like on windows 7 it needs a more recent Boinc version.
Maybe i`ll try again tomorrow.
Thats very annoying.


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Message 1735218 - Posted: 18 Oct 2015, 17:06:09 UTC - in response to Message 1735213.  
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Well, that's strange again. I have 3 Ubuntu machines using BOINC 7.2.33 and as long as the AMD card(s) are seen in clinfo, and there is a valid link named libOpenCL.so in /usr/lib, BOINC sees the cards fine. Are you sure the file you linked to is itself a valid link? If you right click and chose properties it will report if it's broken or not. You could try the driver in Additional Drivers, but if clinfo sees the card the current driver should be OK.
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Message 1735447 - Posted: 19 Oct 2015, 16:31:14 UTC

Just to notify y'all, I have allowed the Win8.1 laptop that was catching dust here to update to Windows 10. Over the next couple of weeks I'll see if I like it or not, can always return to Windows 8.1 through the hidden Lenovo partition.

That because the return option in Windows 10 doesn't sound like it's too heartening: Back-up and return to Windows 7. Yay! :-)
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Message 1735456 - Posted: 19 Oct 2015, 16:48:14 UTC - in response to Message 1735447.  
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Just to notify y'all, I have allowed the Win8.1 laptop that was catching dust here to update to Windows 10. Over the next couple of weeks I'll see if I like it or not, can always return to Windows 8.1 through the hidden Lenovo partition.

That because the return option in Windows 10 doesn't sound like it's too heartening: Back-up and return to Windows 7. Yay! :-)


I hope you won`t get in trouble activating win 7 again.
After 4 weeks IIRC the license moved over to win 10.
That happened to me on my win 8.1 partition.


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