Well now as every one in here knows, I never like to interject
myself in to any international conflicts. I must at this time
point out that what happened to Czechoslovakia in the 1930s is
set to happen again in the east. I say unlike the former occurrence,
a lot of pain can be avoided if the west just gives Mr. Putin
all of the former soviet states plus, oh.... Ireland. That should
hold him off for a while.
Just saying....

1938 Munich Agreement ceded Czechoslovakia area to the Third Reich.
Well it happened again but it was when Russia invaded Czechoslovakia 1968.
Almost like Hungary 1956.
And now Ukraine.

Ireland? You are kidding I take it?

Well I just wanted to make a point.
So ok, we'll give 'em Ulster, how's that?

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Ireland? You are kidding I take it?

Well I just wanted to make a point.
So ok, we'll give 'em Ulster, how's that?

Perfect! :-)

Ireland? You are kidding I take it?

Well I just wanted to make a point.
So ok, we'll give 'em Ulster, how's that?

Perfect! :-)

Or if the deal needs sweetening, throw in an undisclosed Middle Eastern caliphate to be named later...........

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

Maybe that's the problem, 1,000 years of 'civilization' and you're still fighting each other.......I'm just saying.........

You mean 2000 years and no, we are not still fighting each other. Longest period of consecutive peace in Europe since we started recording history is now.

Why was it the longest? You had a great enemy to your east.

NATO minus USA, couldn't defeat Quadafi. Putin?

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

Why was it the longest? You had a great enemy to your east.

NATO minus USA, couldn't defeat Quadafi. Putin?

The point was that we were no longer fighting each other, not that we haven't gotten any enemies anymore.

And it remains to be seen whether Russia is an enemy that has to be defeated through military means.

What makes Americans fear the most

Residents of the United States believes that the Islamic state (IS) represents the most serious threat to the country over the next decade, according to a Gallup survey.
More than eight out of ten believe that jihadist group constitutes a "serious threat".

The possibility that Iran is developing nuclear weapons is considered as the second biggest threat, followed by military power in North Korea.

In contrast, only 49 percent believe that Russia's military strength poses a serious threat to the United States.

Have Americans forgot that Russia has a LOT of nukes?

What makes Americans fear the most

Residents of the United States believes that the Islamic state (IS) represents the most serious threat to the country over the next decade, according to a Gallup survey.
More than eight out of ten believe that jihadist group constitutes a "serious threat".
The possibility that Iran is developing nuclear weapons is considered as the second biggest threat, followed by military power in North Korea.
In contrast, only 49 percent believe that Russia's military strength poses a serious threat to the United States.

Have Americans forgot that Russia has a LOT of nukes?

The Russian Culture is Similar to Western European/North American Culture.
The Russians do not commit suicide. They do understand (even Mass Murdering Stalin, and Khrushchev during the Cuban Missile Crisis) what 'Line' not to cross.
These Jihadists have shown, over their 800 year's History. An inability to truly understand their Enemy's, and their enemy's Total Brutality when, not if, The Jihadists 'Cross the Line'.
Neither The NAZI's, nor Stalin, would publically Burn To Death, Crucify and Behead Children, etc.
The Jihadists ARE more dangerous. Not only to us. But eventually, to their own innocent Women and Children.
May God forgive us, for what we will do.

What is past; is prologue.

You are mostly right.
But saying that all Jihadists has the same culture is wrong.
There are some Swedish Jihadists that have went to fight together with ISIS.
They brougth typical Swedish food such as Kalles Kaviar and chocolate bisquits when they went there:)

You say that the Russian culture is similar to Western European.
I would say almost. But not when it comes to war.

You are mostly right.
But saying that all Jihadists has the same culture is wrong.
There are some Swedish Jihadists that have went to fight together with ISIS.
They brougth typical Swedish food such as Kalles Kaviar and chocolate bisquits when they went there:)

You say that the Russian culture is similar to Western European.
I would say almost. But not when it comes to war.

Meaning of Jihad Source: http://thewaytotruth.org/jihad/meaning.html

Jihad has the literal meaning of exerting our best and greatest effort to achieve something. It is not the equivalent of war, for which the Arabic word is qital. Jihad has a much wider connotation and embraces every kind of striving in God’s cause. A mujahid is one who is sincerely devoted to his or her cause; who uses all physical, intellectual, and spiritual resources to serve it; who confront any power that stands in its way; and, when necessary, dies for this cause. Jihad in the way of God is our struggle to win God’s good pleasure, to establish His religion’s supremacy, and to make His Word prevail.

The Americans have not forgotten that Russia has a lot of Nukes.
Has Russia forgotten that America is the only country in history to actually USE a Nuke in warfare?

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

The Americans have not forgotten that Russia has a lot of Nukes.
Has Russia forgotten that America is the only country in history to actually USE a Nuke in warfare?

& used a 2nd to force the enemy's surrender.

It seems a lot of people have forgotten that. Truman ordered them dropped because he rightly knew that an assault on the Japanese mainland would be too costly.

Meaning of Jihad Source: http://thewaytotruth.org/jihad/meaning.html
Jihad has the literal meaning of exerting our best and greatest effort to achieve something. It is not the equivalent of war, for which the Arabic word is qital. Jihad has a much wider connotation and embraces every kind of striving in God’s cause. A mujahid is one who is sincerely devoted to his or her cause; who uses all physical, intellectual, and spiritual resources to serve it; who confront any power that stands in its way; and, when necessary, dies for this cause. Jihad in the way of God is our struggle to win God’s good pleasure, to establish His religion’s supremacy, and to make His Word prevail.

Do you really belive that most of the Jihadist have read and understood Islamitic religous texts?
Definite not the young European muslims that have went to ME to fight for IS who there parents fled from!

Russia has not forgot anything.
On the contrary, they want "historical justice"

When will Russia clean up the mess?
There are some examples of the "creeping Chernobyl disasters"
https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dn.se%2Fnyheter%2Fvarlden%2Fsmygande-tjernobyl-utanfor-norge%2F&edit-text=

Do you really belive that most of the Jihadist have read and understood Islamitic religous texts?
Definite not the young European muslims that have went to ME to fight for IS who there parents fled from!

No, I don't believe they read the text, I believe they are brain laundered by self serving mullahs who revel in sending young people to die but are never themselves willing to be in the front line.

As to their parents fleeing to a better life, why do they insist on establishing the same hell in their new home that they fled from in the first place? Not embracing the culture of the place to which you fled, is like the much berated American moving to Saudi Arabia and expecting the world around him to be in English...

Once again when the philosophy of E Pluribus Unum is compromised radical and violent dissent is often the result. Join with your chosen new brethren or go back from whence you came.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

As to their parents fleeing to a better life, why do they insist on establishing the same hell in their new home that they fled from in the first place?

Do you mean the parents or the childrens are insisting on establishing the same hell in their new home that they fled from?
Thats nonsense.

As to their parents fleeing to a better life, why do they insist on establishing the same hell in their new home that they fled from in the first place?

Do you mean the parents or the childrens are insisting on establishing the same hell in their new home that they fled from?
Thats nonsense.

Doesn't matter who, the point was & it's quite true, is that once in a new land, they create their own little communities & dislike outsiders entering it, That is no different from the land they left.

As to their parents fleeing to a better life, why do they insist on establishing the same hell in their new home that they fled from in the first place?

Do you mean the parents or the childrens are insisting on establishing the same hell in their new home that they fled from?
Thats nonsense.

Doesn't matter who, the point was & it's quite true, is that once in a new land, they create their own little communities & dislike outsiders entering it, That is no different from the land they left.

This starts to be a bit off topic but...
"they create their own little communities & dislike outsiders entering it"
That goes for every ethnic group.

As to their parents fleeing to a better life, why do they insist on establishing the same hell in their new home that they fled from in the first place?

Do you mean the parents or the childrens are insisting on establishing the same hell in their new home that they fled from?
Thats nonsense.

Doesn't matter who, the point was & it's quite true, is that once in a new land, they create their own little communities & dislike outsiders entering it, That is no different from the land they left.

This starts to be a bit off topic but...
"they create their own little communities & dislike outsiders entering it"
That goes for every ethnic group.

True, but the majority integrate, that's the difference.

Definite not the young European muslims that have went to ME to fight for IS who there parents fled from!

Pretty sure most of them are either second or third generation migrants. Either their parents or their grandparents moved to Europe somewhere in the 60-70's. And no, those people did not flee any kind of prosecution by religious radicals. For the most part, they were guest workers invited to Europe to come work here.

As to their parents fleeing to a better life, why do they insist on establishing the same hell in their new home that they fled from in the first place? Not embracing the culture of the place to which you fled, is like the much berated American moving to Saudi Arabia and expecting the world around him to be in English...

Aren't we free societies? And isn't the entire point of free societies that people can keep whatever culture they are most comfortable with, without anyone telling them they *must* embrace the new host culture? Our freedom means nothing if it requires everyone to conform to the same cultural standard.

Besides, all the talk about them embracing our culture is nice, but it completely ignores the fact that in that time we didn't do a lot of embracing ourselves. Racist attitudes against Muslims are very common in the West, especially Europe, where they are seen as unwelcome outsiders.

Not embracing the culture of the place to which you fled, is like the much berated American moving to Saudi Arabia and expecting the world around him to be in English...

Now that could, should, be discussed in the Racism thread, like African culture in America.

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