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Dena Wiltsie Send message Joined: 19 Apr 01 Posts: 1628 Credit: 24,230,968 RAC: 26 |
Two days ago I uncrated my new Mac Pro and fired up the first application. It works great on CPU task but GPU task aren't being processed. I kind of expected that to happen because a couple of months ago, I saw a post that indicated GPU processing was still in the works. I am not really interested in running special applications because I am not well connected with the developer community and as the result I could miss updates that are needed to keep the system running. In short is there any word on the status of the stock application with GPU support? Note: I have not worked with GPU processing at all as my only other computer for 8 years has been a G5 power PC which didn't have a usable graphic card. Thanks for any information you can provide. |
Jord Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 15184 Credit: 4,362,181 RAC: 3 |
The applications list shows that for Mac OS X there is an OpenCL Astropulse v7 application for Lion and general Mac. But the problem is that at the moment there is no Astropulse work due to the database problems depicted here and here. |
arkayn Send message Joined: 14 May 99 Posts: 4438 Credit: 55,006,323 RAC: 0 |
Two days ago I uncrated my new Mac Pro and fired up the first application. It works great on CPU task but GPU task aren't being processed. I kind of expected that to happen because a couple of months ago, I saw a post that indicated GPU processing was still in the works. I am not really interested in running special applications because I am not well connected with the developer community and as the result I could miss updates that are needed to keep the system running. What Ageless said. |
Dena Wiltsie Send message Joined: 19 Apr 01 Posts: 1628 Credit: 24,230,968 RAC: 26 |
The applications list shows that for Mac OS X there is an OpenCL Astropulse v7 application for Lion and general Mac. As I said, I just uncrated it so that means it has Yosemite or in other words 10.10 loaded on it at the factory. I would think twice about backing it off very far because the odds are older operating systems just wouldn't run on it. From another post I know they are still working on the software and it wasn't ready for prime time at the time I saw the post so I am trying to find out if there is any newer status I haven't heard. Also the system was brought up Thursday so it had 2 full days to pick up a GPU work unit if it was able to process one. I think it's more a problem of being on the bleeding edge and I need to wait of the software to catch up to the system. The question is how long? |
QSilver Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 232 Credit: 6,452,764 RAC: 0 |
As far as I know, no earlier version of OS X will run on a brand-new Mac Pro. |
Jord Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 15184 Credit: 4,362,181 RAC: 3 |
Also the system was brought up Thursday so it had 2 full days to pick up a GPU work unit if it was able to process one. Yeah, but for that the only tasks capable of running on your GPU are Astropulse, and bar some resends, the project ran out of AP v7 to send on the 3rd of November or thereabouts. That's also what Eric references by saying: 8 November 2014, Eric Korpela wrote: 2. Around the same time (as Bruno, the upload server having problems, which was November 3rd 2014 - Jord), the Astropulse assimilators started failing with a message "-603 Cannot close TEXT or BYTE value." Turns out we had run up against another informix limit. I'm resolving that, but it's looking like we are only 1/8th of the way done after 24 hours. Until it's done we won't be able to generate Astropulse work. And added to that from the other post: 13 November 2014, Eric Korpela wrote: The Astropulse database fix is taking longer than expected. By one measure (the amount of data written into the new database spaces) we're 70% done. By another measure (the number of table rows showing up in the table stats) we are 25% done. This is after 5 days. I'm inclined to believe the 25% number, in which case we will run out of SETI@home work before Astropulse is back online. If you don't have a low share back-up project, now might be time to add one. |
Zalster Send message Joined: 27 May 99 Posts: 5517 Credit: 528,817,460 RAC: 242 |
Prior to the whole thing going haywire a few days ago, I was running AP v7.05 from Beta on a MacBook Pro with OS 10.10 It didn't seem to have any problems. Hopefully they will have some APs for the GPU here in the not so distance future. Happy Crunching.. Zalster Edit.. You might want to repair the permission on your Mac. There were reports after 10.10 came out that it was causing some problems. The solution was to run the Disk Utility program and repair the permissions. You can find it by using the search feature. Upper right corner, the magnifying glass and type in Disk Utility. It should launch it. It will ask you which disk you want, click on your hard disk. It should then bring up a new screen and in the middle you will see to buttons. One say Verify Disk Permissions and the one below say Repair Disk Permissions. You can click Verify and it will check and see if everything is ok. If it shows any errors then you want to click Repair Disk Permissions. |
Dena Wiltsie Send message Joined: 19 Apr 01 Posts: 1628 Credit: 24,230,968 RAC: 26 |
If I have problems with the GPU, it's because of the Dual AMD FirePro D300 chip set may not yet be supported. In any case, I have 8 threads of CPU that will process about 50 work units a day so that should help my RAC a bit for now. As for the permission issue, I did see that in the release notes but I don't think it applies in this case because I didn't upgrade from Maverick but instead received the system already loaded with 10.10. The way I read the release notes, the 10.10 install messes up Boinc. My install was clean and the software is fine for now. The next system upgrade might mess that up but I appear to be fine for now. |
Zalster Send message Joined: 27 May 99 Posts: 5517 Credit: 528,817,460 RAC: 242 |
There was a beta tester who also had the MacPro with Dual AMD GPUs, I don't know if he upgraded his OS but it shouldn't be too hard to find out. Going to take a bit of searching. |
Dena Wiltsie Send message Joined: 19 Apr 01 Posts: 1628 Credit: 24,230,968 RAC: 26 |
The hardware has been on the market about a year and a half which means Maverick might run on it but I don't have a copy of Maverick and I am not really interested in finding out because the lack of install disk is already making me worry a bit about recovering the system from a storage failure(not hard disk, just Flash memory). I think recovery can be done but it will require very careful backups. |
Zalster Send message Joined: 27 May 99 Posts: 5517 Credit: 528,817,460 RAC: 242 |
I found him. He's still running 13.3.0 He does have another Mac with Darwin 14.0 but he's using the built in Intel. I think you should be fine with Darwin 14.0 (Yosemite) Once we start to get new AP work you can try it. Worst thing that will happen is the work unit will error and be sent to someone else but I think that is a low probability. It's going to be a bit though, they are needing a new server to produce the APs and it's going to be a before we get any. Happy Crunching... Zalster |
Dena Wiltsie Send message Joined: 19 Apr 01 Posts: 1628 Credit: 24,230,968 RAC: 26 |
I found him. He's still running 13.3.0 He does have another Mac with Darwin 14.0 but he's using the built in Intel. I think you should be fine with Darwin 14.0 (Yosemite) Once we start to get new AP work you can try it. Worst thing that will happen is the work unit will error and be sent to someone else but I think that is a low probability. It's going to be a bit though, they are needing a new server to produce the APs and it's going to be a before we get any. I suspect it won't be a case of errors, more likely it just won't process them. For a long time I hoped somebody would support the graphic processor in my G5 but there really wasn't any point of doing it. The software never request a GPU work unit and I think that is what would happen with a new unsupported graphics chip. There isn't much I can do until all the parts are in place. I just want to see my RAC go way up. I have been under 400 for far to long! |
Zalster Send message Joined: 27 May 99 Posts: 5517 Credit: 528,817,460 RAC: 242 |
I know there are others here who use AMD GPUs on older tower Macs. TBar is one I talk with the most about Macs. They got theirs to work using older drivers for the AMD cards. Since I don't use AMD I don't regularly follow their conversations on the driver issues. I think the lastest driver does return functionality for Seti but I can't be sure. If he (TBar) wonders thru here he might be able to shine a light on what you need to do to get yours to work. I sent him a PM about a different matter, if he responds I'll ask him about this and see what he says Zalster |
TBar Send message Joined: 22 May 99 Posts: 5204 Credit: 840,779,836 RAC: 2,768 |
I suspect it won't be a case of errors, more likely it just won't process them. For a long time I hoped somebody would support the graphic processor in my G5 but there really wasn't any point of doing it. The software never request a GPU work unit and I think that is what would happen with a new unsupported graphics chip. There isn't much I can do until all the parts are in place. I just want to see my RAC go way up. I have been under 400 for far to long! There's not a problem running your machine just the way it is. Here's a similar machine, [2] AMD Radeon HD - FirePro D300... There are a few more in the list, Top hosts - Check out the 1st page... Just make sure your preferences are set for Use ATI GPU: yes; AstroPulse v7: yes and it shows it is asking for ATI tasks in the Event Log; [---] OS: Mac OS X 10.10.0 (Darwin 14.0.0) Tue Nov 18 00:51:55 2014 | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for ATI Tue Nov 18 00:51:57 2014 | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks Tue Nov 18 00:51:57 2014 | SETI@home | Project has no tasks available Tue Nov 18 00:52:02 2014 | SETI@home Beta Test | Requesting new tasks for ATI Tue Nov 18 00:52:04 2014 | SETI@home Beta Test | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks I'm afraid there aren't any ATI APs to be had...You Might find a resend at some point... |
arkayn Send message Joined: 14 May 99 Posts: 4438 Credit: 55,006,323 RAC: 0 |
Download the Mavericks installer and then before you run it, copy it to another hard drive or location. That way you will have a backup to use if needed. |
Dena Wiltsie Send message Joined: 19 Apr 01 Posts: 1628 Credit: 24,230,968 RAC: 26 |
Ok, I returned with proof. The second computer is mine Proof |
ursmed Send message Joined: 30 Jun 01 Posts: 7 Credit: 59,047,988 RAC: 104 |
MacPro Quad, 2x AMD D500, OSX9.5... runs well here... http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=7431162 Einstein@Home runs from stock... no Seti / AP for now Greetz |
Dena Wiltsie Send message Joined: 19 Apr 01 Posts: 1628 Credit: 24,230,968 RAC: 26 |
Your system was activated after mine judging by the number of work units you have processed so far. I didn't understand AP units because this is the first time I had a GPU that could process them. I also didn't understand that GPU's on MAC can't process MB units (except for somebody running currently running test code) but PC platforms can do both work units in the GPU. In any case, it will be interesting to see what happens when the APs start flowing however you should leave me in the dust with that 500. I will turn SETI back on in about a day once I get the WCG work units out of my system |
ursmed Send message Joined: 30 Jun 01 Posts: 7 Credit: 59,047,988 RAC: 104 |
now (in the last few days) there are "normal" cpu tasks for Seti... no gpu tasks so far... Einstein runs very well on gpu (ati-opencl)... |
Dena Wiltsie Send message Joined: 19 Apr 01 Posts: 1628 Credit: 24,230,968 RAC: 26 |
I don't have a problem. I received 4 AP units today and each was processed in about half an hour. All is well with the world. |
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