Virgin Galactic's SpaceShipTwo Crashes: 1 Dead, 1 Injured

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Message 1595075 - Posted: 31 Oct 2014, 19:54:00 UTC

Virgin Galactic's SpaceShipTwo rocket plane exploded and crashed during a powered test flight on Friday, resulting in one fatality and one injury, authorities said.

The explosion occurred after the plane was released from its WhiteKnightTwo carrier airplane and fired up its rocket engine in flight for the first time in more than nine months.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/virgin-voyage/virgin-galactics-spaceshiptwo-crashes-1-dead-1-injured-n238376
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Message 1595094 - Posted: 31 Oct 2014, 20:31:39 UTC

Space is not a playground and death is always near, as many accidents have shown.
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Message 1595095 - Posted: 31 Oct 2014, 20:33:03 UTC

I agree Tulio, and this week has well demonstrated this :-(
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Message 1595221 - Posted: 31 Oct 2014, 23:19:24 UTC - in response to Message 1595095.  

Very sad week in space. :(
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Message 1595525 - Posted: 1 Nov 2014, 12:37:47 UTC

It's one thing to study mother nature, to describe her and admire her from afar.

It's another thing to dance with her.

Well lived test pilot, we will remember you.
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Message 1595538 - Posted: 1 Nov 2014, 12:57:12 UTC

Travelling to and in space will remain highly dangerous for many more decades. But there will always be individuals willing to risk everything for a chance to make the trip. Test pilots, for the most part understand the risks they are taking. But paying passengers are another matter and I doubt that most of the people who have signed up for the ride that SpaceshipTwo hopes to offer totally understand the risk they will be taking.

My sympathy goes out to the families and friends of the pilot that lost his life as well as the one who is in the hospital.
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Message 1595841 - Posted: 2 Nov 2014, 5:16:44 UTC

Very sad what happen'd .

I guess i won't be taking that trip then in a few years as this will probably put a hold on everything .

I am surprised as i thought they where ready to start flying next year
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Message 1596410 - Posted: 3 Nov 2014, 12:07:29 UTC - in response to Message 1595221.  

Very sad week in space. :(


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Message 1596476 - Posted: 3 Nov 2014, 16:10:35 UTC

Exploring beyond Earth's bounds requires the application of enormous amounts of energy to the payload. At this point in human technology that amount of energy is only available through the use of highly explosive materials in a marginally controlled way. Basically the payload sits on a giant potential bomb.

All Astronauts understand and accept this risk, the same as Beaker traders and Norse explorers understood and accepted the risk of being swallowed by a relentless ocean. No steps forward are without risk and the greater the stride the greater the risk. All future Commercial Space Passengers will have to come to grips with the reality that there will be deaths.

My sympathies to all who have lost loved ones exploring space, and my admiration and awe to those who have accepted and will accept this challenge in the future.

The ultimate way to Earth orbit was first detailed by Arthur C Clarke in his novel "Fountains of Paradise", but even a 'space elevator' would still not be without risk. C'est la Vie, C'est la Physics.

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Message 1596502 - Posted: 3 Nov 2014, 17:06:18 UTC
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According to New Scientist the cause may have been a human error. The wings were put too soon in the position of "feathering" to slow the glide after the brennschluss. It seems that the engine and fuel tank show no sign of an explosion.
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Message 1596523 - Posted: 3 Nov 2014, 17:43:30 UTC - in response to Message 1596502.  

According to New Scientist the cause may have been a human error. The wings were put too soon in the position of "feathering" to slow the glide after the brennschluss. Tullio


There have been several news stories stating the co-pilot moved the wing lock lever prematurely but it is well know that the type of rocket fuel used had a propensity for detonation. The original Spaceship I engine used a propellent composed of pulverized tires and additives that proved troublesome during pre-flight testing and exploded in several tests

The answers will be found and corrections made and Rutan and his amazing team will move forward.
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Message 1596544 - Posted: 3 Nov 2014, 18:47:33 UTC - in response to Message 1596523.  

According to New Scientist the cause may have been a human error. The wings were put too soon in the position of "feathering" to slow the glide after the brennschluss. Tullio


There have been several news stories stating the co-pilot moved the wing lock lever prematurely but it is well know that the type of rocket fuel used had a propensity for detonation. The original Spaceship I engine used a propellent composed of pulverized tires and additives that proved troublesome during pre-flight testing and exploded in several tests

The answers will be found and corrections made and Rutan and his amazing team will move forward.

Story I heard, was the co-pilot put the system in armed, but no one commanded it to activate. May turn out that the activate switch was in the on position all the time. Might be ground personal error, or preflight checklist error.

Can't be sure from the photos I've seen but it looks more like an inflight breakup rather than an inflight explosion. Not enough charring and no shrapnel holes.
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Message 1596625 - Posted: 3 Nov 2014, 21:21:06 UTC

Had it been an explosion, both pilots would have died. But one is alive (best wishes to him) and may recall what was done.
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Message 1596682 - Posted: 3 Nov 2014, 22:36:35 UTC - in response to Message 1596636.  

If it transpires that corners were cut impinging upon safety, then that will come out.


I HIGHLY doubt that any 'corners were cut impinging upon safety' under Burt Rutan's watch. He is MUCH too professional an aviator/designer/manager to have skipped anything regarding safety.

You are correct in that speculation is extremely premature, it took many months to determine that chilled O-rings caused the Challenger disaster.

Again, my utmost respect goes to those who choose to "Go where no man has gone before".
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Message 1596750 - Posted: 4 Nov 2014, 1:30:13 UTC

We don't use the terminology "pilot error" any more. We say "human factors" because humans are only one part of a system. If something unexpected happens it is a system failure , not a human error.

In other words, we have highly qualified, motivated, and by all accounts diligent humans operating a machine. If the machine requires humans even better than them to work correctly, then the design or the training is inadequate.
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Message 1597329 - Posted: 5 Nov 2014, 20:32:51 UTC

The NTSB, in a preliminary finding, has pointed to a possible human error combined with a malfunction that is thought to have brought down SpaceShipTwo.

http://www.dailytech.com/VSS+Enterprise+Reportedly+Destroyed+by+Tail+Malfunction+Pilot+Error/article36824.htm

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