Please continue your discussion in this thread, but do try to keep it on topic. Thank you.

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Careful there James, you don't want to be labelled a rabid anarchist or a bolshie Irishman(in your case a Bolshie Yank) by BHL's, or even worse put on a watch list as you're a danger to them.

Maybe it's time these nutjobs started bumping off crooked politicians, they might get the message.

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Careful there James, you don't want to be labelled a rabid anarchist or a bolshie Irishman(in your case a Bolshie Yank) by BHL's, or even worse put on a watch list as you're a danger to them.

Maybe it's time these nutjobs started bumping off crooked politicians, they might get the message.

What message?

Silly, and shallow thinking 'solutions' (one size fits all, in a Large and Diverse Continental Country) will not work.

'Feel Good' solutions (take out a few words in a document) will 'fix' a Very Complicated Governmental System, Cultural, Religious, Racial, Ethnic, Multi-Language Country: Should be considered Humorous in its silliness.

Silly is it? With all your so called security & big boy on the block bravado, how is it that this year alone, there have been some serious breaches of security at the White House?

Or was that deliberate so that it can be claimed a "lone wolf nutjob" bumps off the Bimbo that lives there?

There's nothing more silly than a bunch of morons arguing with each other rather than do what's good for the country as a whole.

If your country has got too large & diverse as you say, why not bring back secession? After all, we outside the US see constant moaning about States paying too much to the Federal Government.

secession?

Silly and shallow response, as is your 'fix'. This is a very complicated problem, in a very complicated Country.

WHO made it that complicated?

secession?

Silly and shallow response, as is your 'fix'. This is a very complicated problem, in a very complicated Country.

WHO made it that complicated?

FINALLY, you understand how complicated.

I've always understood that. The problem with such a complicated situation (as with anything in life), is that the majority overthink the problem & constantly fail to see that sometimes, just sometimes, simple is best!

secession?

Silly and shallow response, as is your 'fix'. This is a very complicated problem, in a very complicated Country.

WHO made it that complicated?

FINALLY, you understand how complicated.

I've always understood that. The problem with such a complicated situation (as with anything in life), is that the majority overthink the problem & constantly fail to see that sometimes, just sometimes, simple is best!

Sometimes not.

Shouldn't that be "more often not?"
Then ask yourself "why is that?"

Yep, those "fixes" are like Windows updates, fix one thing while at the same time break something else in the process.

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Careful there James, you don't want to be labelled a rabid anarchist or a bolshie Irishman(in your case a Bolshie Yank) by BHL's, or even worse put on a watch list as you're a danger to them.

Maybe it's time these nutjobs started bumping off crooked politicians, they might get the message.

What message?

Silly, and shallow thinking 'solutions' (one size fits all, in a Large and Diverse Continental Country) will not work.

'Feel Good' solutions (take out a few words in a document) will 'fix' a Very Complicated Governmental System, Cultural, Religious, Racial, Ethnic, Multi-Language Country: Should be considered Humorous in its silliness.

Silly is it? With all your so called security & big boy on the block bravado, how is it that this year alone, there have been some serious breaches of security at the White House?

Or was that deliberate so that it can be claimed a "lone wolf nutjob" bumps off the Bimbo that lives there?

There's nothing more silly than a bunch of morons arguing with each other rather than do what's good for the country as a whole.

If your country has got too large & diverse as you say, why not bring back secession? After all, we outside the US see constant moaning about States paying too much to the Federal Government.

That is actually not a bad idea.

If the USA dissolved into 50 separate nations, many of the states would be quite well off.

Our big-3 states are (in order) California, Texas, and New York. Each of those states has a GDP of greater than 1 Trillion US$.

California fits on the list between Italy and India, Texas between Spain and Mexico, and New York between Mexico and South Korea.

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_between_U.S._states_and_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29

Even the US State with the SMALLEST GDP is still in the top 50% of the world's current nations. Vermont with a GDP of 29.9 Billion US$, fits between Jordan and Bahrain.

Even after the breakup, 42 of the 50 US states would STILL be in the top 50%.

And the beauty of that is that it will still be the United States of America,

Silly is it? With all your so called security & big boy on the block bravado, how is it that this year alone, there have been some serious breaches of security at the White House?

Or was that deliberate so that it can be claimed a "lone wolf nutjob" bumps off the Bimbo that lives there?

It is deliberate so that even more violations of the second, fourth, fifth and fourteenth amendments can be put in place. Scare them enough and they will agree to RFID chips implanted at birth!

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And the beauty of that is that it will still be the United States of America,

[grin]

It kinda sorta already IS that way, with shared sovereignty between the States and the Federal Government.

The States are Sovereign. So is the Federal Government.

The biggest change that most non-USA Nations would see would be instead of 1 Ambassador from the USA to them and one from them to the USA, there would be 50 each way...

Think of it as a Jobs Program for diplomats. :P

But, back to the double standard on violence...

Dead is Dead. The murder victim is still dead, no matter if they were killed by an Uzi or a Baseball Bat.

Why are firearms considered worse?

After all, the gun is just a tool. The KILLER is not the gun, it is the PERSON that used it.

Punish the heck out of the KILLER... leave the tool alone. Why punish the great majority of gun owners who DO NOT go on a mass shooting spree over the actions of a few that do?

What is so wrong with "Take 'em out an hang 'em!", assuming a murderer survives multiple police officers emptying their clips into them?

Until there is a crime, there has been no crime.

Next thing you know, evil-do'ers are going to be using hatchets... Oops, too late....

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Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

Punish the heck out of the KILLER... leave the tool alone. Why punish the great majority of gun owners who DO NOT go on a mass shooting spree over the actions of a few that do?

What is so wrong with "Take 'em out an hang 'em!", assuming a murderer survives multiple police officers emptying their clips into them?

But then you get a BHL enter the picture stating that the killer was "mentally unstable". Are you going to pay for him in prison?

Oops, that's already happening...

What is so wrong with "Take 'em out an hang 'em!", assuming a murderer survives multiple police officers emptying their clips into them?

When people talk about the decline of the US they usually come up with all these grand narratives about how the US is like the Roman empire in its corruption and decadence. Or they talk about partisanship resulting in political deadlocks. Or a failing foreign policy.

In reality, the decline is perfectly expressed right here in this sentence. Where the US used to stand for social progress and the rule of law, we see this. Talks about summary executions by the police and the people who survive that getting lynched. The utter lack of compassion and willingness to put yourself in the shoes of those less fortunate than you. The disregard for the rule of law, only the urge to satisfy that feeling in your gut.

Barbarians...

What is so wrong with "Take 'em out an hang 'em!", assuming a murderer survives multiple police officers emptying their clips into them?

When people talk about the decline of the US they usually come up with all these grand narratives about how the US is like the Roman empire in its corruption and decadence. Or they talk about partisanship resulting in political deadlocks. Or a failing foreign policy.

In reality, the decline is perfectly expressed right here in this sentence. Where the US used to stand for social progress and the rule of law, we see this. Talks about summary executions by the police and the people who survive that getting lynched. The utter lack of compassion and willingness to put yourself in the shoes of those less fortunate than you. The disregard for the rule of law, only the urge to satisfy that feeling in your gut.

Barbarians...

& the rule of law says that if convicted you serve time in prison. What about the victim?

Or what about when the prisons are full or like this country, close them down? Put the criminals/killers back into society?

Oh wait, that is already happening...How barbaric of me to think there could ever be a solution!

& the rule of law says that if convicted you serve time in prison. What about the victim?

Ah yes, the standard answer when you call people on their populist rhetoric, "what about the victim". Justice is not about the victim, its about the guy having broken societies rules. Therefor, justice is societies answer to those people. Its not to be done in the name of the victim, its to be done in the name of us as a society. Now if you want your sole response to every slight to be brutal vengeance, then clearly the centuries of human progress have been wasted on you. You have not passed beyond the level of mob justice.

Damn, even the Catholic church is more progressive than you on this point.

Or what about when the prisons are full or like this country, close them down? Put the criminals/killers back into society?

When they have served their time, they have served their time. Re-integrate them into society. And guess what, it works. Justice systems that put an emphasis on reintegrating convicts into society show a clear reduction in people getting caught again.

Get your head out of those books, step outside & smell the roses.

Get your head out of those books, step outside & smell the roses.

You don't think I read the news and see reports of horrible crimes? You don't think that my first, emotional response is to say 'F those criminals, someone put a bullet in their head'? Of course I do.

But here is the difference between you and me. Where you get stuck on that first instinctive feeling, I take a deep breath and calm down. I look at the big picture, I try to imagine what has caused the crime and I remember that the criminal, as much as you dont like that fact, is still a human being with parents, maybe siblings but most definitely with people that love him or her. Where you let your emotions lead you into supporting murder based of on vengeance, I control my emotions and use my brain.

Get your head out of those books, step outside & smell the roses.

Roses Sirius? There are no roses outside in the society any longer. The smell you feel is pure horse manure.

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The glass is half full, for one's own sake.

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What about the victim?

Vengeance is mine sayeth the lord.

Now if you want to go all BHL and toss government funds at them .........
Or did you have in mind making the perp a slave of the victim like some religions are alleged to profess ........

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The Glass Is Not Half Empty Nor Full. The Glass 'Is' TWICE AS BIG AS 'IT' NEEDS TO BE.

Dr. HO HUM and Screaming Tree Can 'Prove' 'It'. They've Asked Climate Scientists, and 'They' 'Said' 'So'. HO! HA! and A heeeheeeheee.

Plus, OEbolaWormeee Said So.

Sweetness is A BIG GLASS.

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