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Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
The 5 major reason we are where we are in the middle east . 1 We allowed Israel to be form'd and took Land away from a people that had been there for centuries. 2 we did not remove Saddam when we had the right conditions for it . The gulf war 3 we have allowed Israel to get away with not signing the peace accord for what ever B/S reason under Clinton 4 we went back and removed Saddam when Saddam was not involved in 9/11 instead of keeping the resources to rebuild Afghanistan and keeping the high moral road . 5 we did not help the Syrians remove Bashar al-Assad and allowing ISIS to be created we = western country's So to now start saying it all the fault of the muftis and Imam leaders is a bit rich Germany was made out to be evil and Hitler Satin during wwII and what they where doing was . So why now do we hold the very leaders of Islam to a higher level than what we have done in most wars Demonize our enemy's We are as much the blame as any other peoples in the world for this . We should have all ways taken the high moral road and done what should have been done at times when we had the chance Pity it may well come down to having to us a nuke but then we have all been told it may just end with the end of man .....WWW3 It will all depend on what country's like Russia and North Korea do , as they may well try and take advantage of what is happening . Putin has already fired a few verbal shots at the west Na that would not happen ....well it may !! , it has been used before in the past and it won't matter if it did not work we humans forget the past when it is convenient and keep making the same type of mistakes |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Remember the civil rights screaming when the LAPD, NYPD and FBI put undercover agents in Mosques? Someone needs to be listening to who is recruiting for jihad. Those that seek to attack in the name of jihad need to be removed from society as they are minions of Satan. I finally think a few leaders are beginning to see that violence does not work to get the change they seek. Pretty sure they already spy on Mosques that have suspected links to terrorist organizations or who proclaim extremists views. However, Mosques are only a minor problem. The internet has become a much more potent tool for recruiting more Jihadists exactly because its so difficult to monitor. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
You can't hold several countries with the same religion responsible for the actions of a few. Are you responsible for American tourists misbehaving in Europe? Or for American Christian missionaries in Africa teaching them how to be effective homophobes? Or for American evangelical hate groups operating within the US? No, you are not. Sure, its nice of you if you were to condemn them, but no one seriously expects you to do that, let alone take decisive steps against them. So why are Muslims suddenly responsible for what individuals of their community do? And what can Muslims actually do to stop terrorism? What makes you think that this is just a matter of them stepping up and saying "no more"? Do you think Muslims in general don't care if one of them becomes a terrorists? That they dont care that all kinds of awful things happen in their religions name? Also, why are Muslims the only ones being held responsible? Why are the attacks in Paris something that only concerns French Muslims, and not other French people? Are they not part of the same society? Of the same country? |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
The internet has become a much more potent tool for recruiting more Jihadists exactly because its so difficult to monitor. Meh, as far as I'm aware, its still possible to use encryption services to hide from the NSA. Also, while they seem to be collecting almost every scrap of data found on the internet, that data is useless if there is no way of sifting through the data to find actually suspicious persons. In all likelihood, such mass data collection programs are probably making the intelligence work more difficult. There is an overload of data, 99.99999% of it being irrelevant that you still need to sift through. Its looking for a needle in a haystack. I guess thats why those programs have not resulted in captured terrorist or foiled terrorist plots. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Nope, never said that. hardly anybody gets killed, That is a pure and simple fact. Terrorism in the UK is as deadly as bee and wasp stings. In the Netherlands, no one has died in a terrorist act for decades. Compared to all the other things that kill human beings in Europe, terrorism is extremely low on the list. and it's all a big fuss about nothing. That simply follows from the previously stated fact. If terrorism hardly kills anyone in Europe, then why are we shifting such a disproportionate amount of resources to combat it? Why are we willing to give up almost all of our online privacy for something that is statistically speaking, extremely unlikely to kill or hurt you? But we all know what left wing Uni students are like, and I'm sure that your MIVD monitor you and your mates. Oh, and what are left wing students like? And what makes you think I'm like that? And if there is someone who is monitoring me, its the AIVD (MIVD is military intelligence). But then again, those guys are known to spy on everyone, so its nothing personal. But really, its kinda disappointing that you think I'm such a radical that the government needs to spy on me, supposedly because I'm a threat to public safety. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
You really do need to get out more and look beyond your own countries boundaries. The National Security Agency (NSA) and GCHQ work close with the Swedish equivalent FRA. NSA:s relationship with the Swedish SIGINT service Försvarets radioanstalt (FRA) was established in 1954 under the UKUSA agreement. Which means that GCHQ has worked with NSA since at least 1954. http://rixstep.com/1/20131208,00.shtml Their bands were drawn even tighter in 2004 with new top secret bilateral agreements between the NSA, the GCHQ, and the Swedish FRA. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
A video has emerged online of Amedy Coulibaly, the terrorist who killed a policewoman on Thursday in Paris and another four people in a kosher supermarket in Vincennes on Friday, seeking to justify his murders, pledging allegiance to Isil and discussing the Charlie Hebdo attack. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11338159/Paris-attacks-video-emerges-of-Amedy-Coulibaly-pledging-allegiance-to-Isil.html |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31013 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
The internet has become a much more potent tool for recruiting more Jihadists exactly because its so difficult to monitor. https://nsa.gov1.info/utah-data-center/ I'm pretty sure they do read through the lot of all packets on the net. Once they got GPU's is became possible. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Cameron and Milliband are marching in Paris, and others attending are German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Nato Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg. There is a unified resposce. Marine Le Pen is not there. She even asked the French people not to join the march:( |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Unified response? It would be much better if it was a gathering of eagles determined to act, instead all we see is political posturing! Projections? I see them here. All that knocking of France & the French, suddenly... |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Wow, really? Well I be damned, we learn something new every day :-) |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
Religion and Culture are one in the same in the Middle East. If you don't believe it then ask all of those poor women shrouded under the veil about why they hide themselves from the world and accept de-facto second class status ?? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Religion and Culture are one in the same in the Middle East. If you don't believe it then ask all of those poor women shrouded under the veil about why they hide themselves from the world and accept de-facto second class status ?? Especially when their "good book" states this: - "Respect & Honour your wife" Quran 4:19 |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
She is the leader of the French National Front. Her father is Jean-Marie Le Pen. A virus can solve the global "population explosion" and "Europe's immigration problem." says Jean-Marie Le Pen, 85, candidate for the European Parliament for the French far-right party Front National. - Mr Ebola could solve it there in three months, said Le Pen. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Nice soundbites & lovely photoshoots, normal day for politicians then... ...Since when has London been the whole of the UK? "Earlier on Saturday he warned: "We in Britain face a very similar threat - a threat of fanatical extremism - and we have to confront that in every way we can." " So how about getting off your high horse Del-boy & increase Police & Forces manpower, you seem to have enough money in the coffers providing foreign aid & attending useless global & European conferences as well as providing massive tax breaks for your cronies! |
The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
...Since when has London been the whole of the UK? It isn't, but as the capital city, i think it can usually speak for the UK. And i say that as a Northerner, a category often sidelined in national politics. Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Cherry picking again I see. Typical politics! So, we can expect to see less bureaucrats & more police officers & forces personnel then... ...any fool can set up a light, yet many do not have the courage to stand up & be counted, they much prefer supping & yakking while people die. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21235 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Meanwhile, elsewhere in that region, such is how official punitive overreaction makes for revolutions and war: Saudi blogger Badawi 'flogged for Islam insult' A Saudi Arabian blogger has been publicly flogged after being convicted of cybercrime and insulting Islam, reports say. Raif Badawi, who was sentenced to 1,000 lashes and 10 years in jail, was flogged 50 times. The flogging will be carried out weekly... ... In 2013 he was cleared of apostasy, which could have carried a death sentence. Last year Mr Badawi's lawyer was sentenced to 15 years in prison... 1,000 lashes: Can't see him surviving that... Dread to think what the Saudi Arabian officialdom pseudo-religious thugs would do with the s@h forums... There has to be a better interpretation of Islam! All in our only one world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24912 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
There has to be a better interpretation of Islam Never going to happen, regardless of what religion is used, there will always be those that argue for "their" interpretation. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 31013 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Dread to think what the Saudi Arabian officialdom pseudo-religious thugs would do with the s@h forums... You don't have to imagine it .... http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/11/saudi-arabia-intensifies-twitter-crackdown-2014112363955848622.html |
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