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The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
Have a safe trip Simon:) Thanks. It's the same area i've been to for the last six years, never seen any sign of trouble, even while Egypt's government was imploding (twice!). Tourism is the only industry they have in Sharm-El-Sheikh, without it the whole area would go bust, so they're not going to risk harming it. On the upside though, most people don't want to go there as they think they'll be beheaded on the internet, so it's cheap, really cheap! 10 days, 5 star (ish) hotel, all-inclusive food and drink, taxi transfers and flights all in: £248 per person. Beat that! Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
JIM Send message Joined: 17 Jul 09 Posts: 18 Credit: 1,774,986 RAC: 3 |
The real problem is going to be when the Kurds decide to declare their independence from Iraq and set up an independent Kurdistan. The Turks will definitely not like that. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
The real problem is going to be when the Kurds decide to declare their independence from Iraq and set up an independent Kurdistan. The Turks will definitely not like that. Many who fled the fighting in the border town Kobane bled to death while waiting for help in Turkey, says the Swedish-Kurdish doctor Sorgul Güven. https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsverigesradio.se%2Fsida%2Fartikel.aspx%3Fprogramid%3D3993%26artikel%3D5999184&edit-text= The real problem has already started. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
The real problem is going to be when the Kurds decide to declare their independence from Iraq and set up an independent Kurdistan. The Turks will definitely not like that. Yes. Perhaps milleniums. And people from there now living in Sweden are seeing their childrens going back to fight for IS. Make no sense to me... The official figures from SÄPO is that 90 Swedes fighting or have fought with violent Islamist groups in Syria and Iraq. The confirmed number of Swedes who died in battle is 23. However, the actual figures will be much higher. http://www.gp.se/nyheter/varlden/1.2532407-goteborgare-dodad-av-amerikansk-bomb |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24909 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
When do we start building that wall? Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24909 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Thought the AC130 "Spooky" would be more appropriate than the C47 "Puff". Propaganda from all sides? Who is the "Angel of Kobane"? Turkish PM rejects Kobane criticism |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Propaganda from all sides? Of course it's propaganda. But is it pro-ISIS or pro-kurdish? Anyway "Angel of Kobane" or "Rhehana" have not killed 100 soldiers or been beheaded. Here she is marching with a flag third from left (8 sek from start) about a week ago. http://us.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/10/26/lkl-watson-kurdish-female-fighters.cnn.html |
Jim Franklin Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 108 Credit: 10,843,395 RAC: 39 |
Why don't we simply build a 10m high 1m thick reinforced concrete wall along the Southern Turkish border with more layers of electrified razor wire (10kV) and trembler sensors along the top. Every 1m stick a watch tower with cameras and a couple of guards with M104's. That would solve the problem..ban travel to and from the whole region and then let them sort themselves out..totally sick of this bull that has been going on as a vicious circle for the last 50 years or more... |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21119 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Why don't we simply build a 10m high 1m thick reinforced concrete wall ... Throughout history, that has never worked. And there is no reason for such fortress silliness to work now. Better alternatives are education, communication, and trade... The world is what we make it... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
Why don't we simply build a 10m high 1m thick reinforced concrete wall ... But THAT is one of the things that has them so pi**ed off at us. Cultural contamination. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30981 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Why don't we simply build a 10m high 1m thick reinforced concrete wall ... That is why they want to slaughter us. We don't follow their rules and their rules don't allow any compromise. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
But THAT is one of the things that has them so pi**ed off at us. Cultural contamination. Oh nonsense. They are not pissed off at us because of supposed cultural contamination. Sure, its one of those things extremists talk about, but its just window dressing. In reality they don't even care about their own culture, let alone ours. They hate the US because of its backing to a number of brutal dictators and its constant meddling in what they see as their own local affairs. They hate the US because of its unquestioning support for Israel no matter what. They feel the US is insanely hypocritical, talking about freedom and democracy but at the same time denying people in the region freedom and democracy. And honestly, they have a point. As long as the US does not change its foreign policy towards the Middle East, Islamic terrorism will remain an issue. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
But THAT is one of the things that has them so pi**ed off at us. Cultural contamination. The "an Eye for an Eye" principle seems to be old as civilization. lex talionis or the law of talion, the English word talion means a retaliation authorized by law, in which the punishment corresponds in kind and degree to the injury. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_for_an_eye Martin Luther King, Jr. later used this phrase in the context of racial violence: "The old law of an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind." |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24909 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Why the Middle East issue as it currently is, will never be resolved... A village under seige "Among the departing Libyans was Omar Al-Mukhtar, who was not one of the accused soldiers. This week he gave an interview to the BBC portraying the men arrested in connection with the sex assaults in Cambridge as the real victims. ‘They (the Government) didn’t tell us about British law and what’s the difference between right and wrong,’ he said. Which makes the decision to let him and his compatriots loose on this corner of rural England all the more shocking." |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Why the Middle East issue as it currently is, will never be resolved... Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal as another example how some muslims misinterpret laws. Both religous and common laws. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal The Islamic State calls it rape jihad. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/391814/isis-and-rape-jihad-andrew-c-mccarthy |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Why the Middle East issue as it currently is, will never be resolved... Hmm. I would say that some rules are universal. Murder, assault, rape and theft are not tolerated in any society AFAIK. However. The Koran has some loopholes. Slaves are not protected by any laws. I think also nonbelievers are treated the same. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Murder, assault, rape and theft are not tolerated in any society AFAIK. Please, name one culture/society at least where atrocities are allowed by law. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Murder, assault, rape and theft are not tolerated in any society AFAIK. "The woman deserved it" sounds very familiary. Even in the western culture. Then we have "Crime of passion". Honor killing is also quite common. It happens even in my country. But it is allowed to any law? Sounds more like tradition to me. A very bad tradition! |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24909 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Back from the dead? "The recording calls on IS supporters to "erupt volcanoes of jihad" across the world. He disparages opponents of IS as "Jews, Crusaders, apostates... [and] devils", and says the US and its allies "are terrified, weak and powerless". Although currently limited to Iraq and Syria, IS has promised to "break the borders" of Jordan and Lebanon and to "free Palestine"." |
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