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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30661 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
and produce aesthetic designs. +1 |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Art, like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Which one is the odd one out? 1: St Paul's Cathedral 2: Sydney Opera House 3: The Shard |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Art, like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. My vote goes for nr 4 MOBA http://www.museumofbadart.org/ Art too bad to be ignored |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9954 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
Art, like beauty is in the eye of the beholder As I believe this thread has ably demonstrated, people can say "The Birth of Venus is an 1486 painting by Botticelli, and is most definitely art" but it leaves me totally unimpressed. I see a lot of buildings here in London and all round the world that in my opinion were designed by artists and are art. Please note the phrase "in my opinion", you cannot state "well that is art and that is not" Unless you first say "in my opinion" What people consider art varies, All would probably agree that this is art However most would say this is not. As it is just a photograph However I would be happy with both or either on my wall. The photo took time for the conditions to be just right, I took lots of shots with different settings at different levels of light, and I like to think of photography as "my art", as I lack the talent to paint or draw. Art is what pleases you and what attracts your eye. Simple or complicated, art is what you want it to be. Long live freedom to decide what I consider to be art. No one can "tell" me what to like. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Art is what pleases you and what attracts your eye. Simple or complicated, art is what you want it to be. +10 London is both beautiful and artistic. Perhaps not everywhere in my opinion:) |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Which one is the odd one out? I'm guessing you don't like the Shard Sirius now if they didn't build it The Doctor could not have driven his bike up it ! |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
But having said that some photographs have achieved worldwide fame and iconic status. The Athena tennis girl for instance, and the 1972 naked Vietnamese girl running down the road that won the Pulitzer prize. Pulitzer prize is not for art. Those paying ridiculous amount of Money for art are only investing capital and hide the art for the public. Real art are meant to been seen by the public! |
Dena Wiltsie Send message Joined: 19 Apr 01 Posts: 1628 Credit: 24,230,968 RAC: 26 |
But having said that some photographs have achieved worldwide fame and iconic status. The Athena tennis girl for instance, and the 1972 naked Vietnamese girl running down the road that won the Pulitzer prize. Not really. Art should be displayed according to the wish of the patron. I do like it when art becomes available to the public but if somebody payed for the creation of art, they have the right to keep it private. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
But having said that some photographs have achieved worldwide fame and iconic status. The Athena tennis girl for instance, and the 1972 naked Vietnamese girl running down the road that won the Pulitzer prize. Nonsens! |
Dena Wiltsie Send message Joined: 19 Apr 01 Posts: 1628 Credit: 24,230,968 RAC: 26 |
But having said that some photographs have achieved worldwide fame and iconic status. The Athena tennis girl for instance, and the 1972 naked Vietnamese girl running down the road that won the Pulitzer prize. I know this is getting very close to politics, but then you believe that artist should work for nothing or patron have no say in how their money is used? If so, I suspect we will see very little new art unless it is payed for with our tax dollar. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
But having said that some photographs have achieved worldwide fame and iconic status. The Athena tennis girl for instance, and the 1972 naked Vietnamese girl running down the road that won the Pulitzer prize. It's called making a living! Artists needs food and shelter as we all do. For instance Mona Lisa (La Gioconda in Italian) by Leonardo da Vinci Leonardo got the order on the Mona Lisa in 1503, by Francesco del Giocondo. del Giocondo regarded himself as a patron of the arts, and wanted a portrait that could be hung in the dining room - hence the board's small size. I also believe Math is art. Paul Dirac for instance (iγμ∂μ−m)ψ=0. Prediction of anti-matter. Why are so many americans so ignorant about history? |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
I would agree the bridge painting is art and the photograph is not, but many people see photography as an artform in its own right, which I am 50/50 over. Certainly getting the subject, lighting, and composition right to form a pleasing image, is technically clever, and a skill I don't have. IMO most people would view the photographic work by Ansel Adams as art. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
I really don't know why you have to be so confrontational and bad tempered all the time, it really isn't necessary. ???????????????????? I'm a Swede with lots of humour IMO Cheers |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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anniet Send message Joined: 2 Feb 14 Posts: 7105 Credit: 1,577,368 RAC: 75 |
Remember this is the Cafe folks:) Oh. Okay Julie :) Cake anyone? :) But are they art? :) I say no - because I made them to be eaten. Those I made them for say yes... because they can't bring themselves to cut them :/ which of course makes eating them rather difficult and might technically make them right, although I still disagree :) Or maybe the photographs are art because no issues over eating THEM have ever arisen :) Here is a detail from one cake that WAS OF art... Heironymous Bosch's Heaven and Hell... Please note the rocks... this makes this post DEFINITELY on topic :) |
Dena Wiltsie Send message Joined: 19 Apr 01 Posts: 1628 Credit: 24,230,968 RAC: 26 |
I say no - because I made them to be eaten. Those I made them for say yes... because they can't bring themselves to cut them :/ which of course makes eating them rather difficult and might technically make them right, although I still disagree :) Or maybe the photographs are art because no issues over eating THEM have ever arisen :) Instead of an answer, I will supply a question, What is the difference between working in ice and working in stone? The ice is temporary and the stone is permanent but does that make one art and one not? |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Remember this is the Cafe folks:) Artwork on the dinner table. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Instead of an answer, I will supply a question, What is the difference between working in ice and working in stone? The ice is temporary and the stone is permanent but does that make one art and one not? From Jukkasjärvi Sweden. A hotel that have to be rebuilt every year because its made of ice! Art at the ICEHOTEL is created in sections and the artists to spend time here in intervals. In the last week before the hotel opens all 40 artists on-site at the same time. http://www.icehotel.se/konst-design/retrospective/ |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
I would be more than happy to see this thread moved over to the politics forum. This has already been suggested to me as a sensible way forward, given the current ambience, and I agree. Be careful what you wish for. Some of us have been holding back because it is not in the politics forum. ;) Reality Internet Personality |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9954 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
If people remember that art is a personal thing no one is wrong to love or loath any artwork, so no insults should be traded. I am interested to see what people here like and dislike. Surely we can discuss art without insults? OK strike all that, great pity. |
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