This entire region is involved in a Civil, Religious, Cultural War.
They are trying to spread this anarchy outside of their Region/Culture.
What now?

It's been like that in that region for more than 2500 years!
Time for some paradigm shifts, dont you say:)

The craddle of civilisation...

This entire region is involved in a Civil, Religious, Cultural War.

They are trying to spread this anarchy outside of their Region/Culture.

What now?

How about we pull all our troops out .... then let all sides have 1 nuke and let the Flames begin ....we can always go in after and get the oil , what with the new robots to do the work in the Nukular waste land that will be left

Isreal is part of the problem so bugger them sorry .....

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This entire region is involved in a Civil, Religious, Cultural War.
They are trying to spread this anarchy outside of their Region/Culture.
What now?

How about we pull all our troops out .... then let all sides have 1 nuke and let the Flames begin ....we can always go in after and get the oil , what with the new robots to do the work in the Nukular waste land that will be left
Isreal is part of the problem so bugger them sorry .....

And the Winner is?

Those of you who like to analyse these events on a deeper level will find this article very interesting.

Scoring the Noam Chomsky/Sam Harris Debate: How the Professor Knocked Out the Atheist

Although I have heard Chomsky point this out before, I think it bears bringing up again because it really does put some perspective on things.

Chomsky’s infamous comparison of the Al-Shifa pharmaceutical plant bombing to the terror attacks ofSeptember 11 frames the bulk of the conversation. President Clinton ordered the bombing of the Al-Shifa facility in Sudan in 1998. As a result, half of the pharmaceutical supplies of Sudan were destroyed, in particular their malaria medicine, chloroquine. Although only one person was killed by the missile itself, estimations by Chomsky and others place the resultant death toll in the tens of thousands.

Thus, Chomsky drew the analogy to 9/11, though he has since retreated from the comparison to clarify that, actually, Clinton’s bombing likely killed a lot more people. For Chomsky, it’s instructive to note that we treat 9/11 as one of the most horrendous acts ever to take place – which it is – but regard crimes with comparable or greater death tolls, routinely inflicted by powerful nations against weak ones, as a fact of life hardly worth mentioning.

Officially, the Al-Shifa attack was retaliation for the bombing of several embassies in Africa, justified by accusations that the plant engineered chemical weapons for terrorists. Harris assumes an awfully charitable disposition toward Clinton, arguing that the given reasons are sufficient to establish a moral difference between the Al-Shifa bombing and 9/11. Chomsky responds that all leaders profess benign intentions before committing their crimes, and notes that the official reasons fall apart on closer examination. Indeed, Clinton never provided evidence of Al-Shifa’s weapons manufacturing and later investigations demonstrated the facility had no ties to terror.

Chomsky even goes Harris one further, suggesting that Clinton probably didn’t intend to kill thousands of people by bombing Al-Shifa – he simply didn’t bother to consider the human cost. “On moral grounds, that is arguably even worse than murder, which at least recognizes that the victim is human,” Chomsky writes.

So this atrocity committed by Clinton in the Sudan has leads to this conclusion:

And it isn’t as though Islamic extremists have no intent of their own. Harris seems to suppose their violence is fully explained as the deranged actions of a death cult’s brainwashed disciples. He takes little time to consider the pivotal question of what might make people angry and desperate enough to join such death cults in the first place – events like the bombing of a pharmaceutical factory, for instance. Even a recent article in The Atlantic exploring the deeply religious philosophy of ISIS admits, somewhat dismissively, “Yes, it has attracted psychopaths and adventure seekers, drawn largely from the disaffected populations of the Middle East and Europe.” There’s a reason ISIS emerged recently out of the rubble of a decimated Iraq and not, say, 50 years ago, when there were already plenty of Korans to go around.

(my emphasis)

So just how much is the west culpable in the creation of groups like Isis?

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So just how much is the west culpable in the creation of groups like Isis?

While the West certainly carries some of the blame for the rise or even the creation of IS, it certainly does not carry all the blame or the majority of the blame. Indeed we must consider factors such as high unemployment among young males, the lack of social mobility, the local regimes who are corrupt, incompetent and lack legitimacy, and a region divided along tribal and ethnic lines, and the identities stemming from those superseding the identity of nation (if such an identity even exist).

Essentially the entire region is what Yugoslavia was 25 years ago.

Basically, it is their Civil and Religious War.

Yes but we , the west made the conditions for this when we invaded Iraq .

The first time yes , however we "F" up by not arming the people who wished to oust him , Saddam

Blaming The West, is just a belief in their inferiority, and their having no responsibility.

Wow !!

We have been "F"ing up ever since 2003 in both country's Iraq and Afganistan

We would not be back in Iraq for a 3rd time since 1990's

Now with Yemen in big trouble and Saudis's V's Iran whispers over who's backing who , maybe we started something we can't stop ?

Blaming The West, is just a belief in their inferiority, and their having no responsibility.

No because the West most certainly is responsible for some of the conditions that have led to this civil war. The US invasion of Iraq, that caused complete and total chaos in the country, and then their subsequent support for Maliki who is also directly responsible for the rise of IS with his policies aimed at shutting the Sunni minority out of power in Iraq.

Just because the West isn't responsible for the entire mess doesn't mean we aren't responsible at all.

The US invasion of Iraq, that caused complete and total chaos in the country, and then their subsequent support for Maliki who is also directly responsible for the rise of IS with his policies aimed at shutting the Sunni minority out of power in Iraq.

What?
Islamic state (in Iraq and Syria / Levant), abbreviated IS, Isis or Isil (Arabic: الدولة الإسلامية ad-Dawla al-Islamiyya (fi al-Iraq wa al-Sham) (Daesh)), is an armed Sunni Islamist movement, mainly active in Iraq and Syria.

Islamic state (in Iraq and Syria / Levant), abbreviated IS, Isis or Isil (Arabic: الدولة الإسلامية ad-Dawla al-Islamiyya (fi al-Iraq wa al-Sham) Daesh

That's why our nob head P.M is calling them Daesh , thanks

Islamic state (in Iraq and Syria / Levant), abbreviated IS, Isis or Isil (Arabic: الدولة الإسلامية ad-Dawla al-Islamiyya (fi al-Iraq wa al-Sham) Daesh

That's why our nob head P.M is calling them Daesh , thanks

And they look this...

Public executions. Stoning to Death in public.
Women are not allowed to look at an other man.
Add some religion and what happens?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIaORknS1Dk

Some odd history.
Levant Company started February 20, 1738 privileged Swedish company, which got the exclusive right (cf. monopoly) to more then ten years of trading in the Levant "to all of the coast of Morea located ports and towns".
That is Cyprus, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Palestine, Syria, Turkey.

1911 started two Swedish shipping companies in Gothenburg, A. Broström & son and Banco traffic between Sweden and the Levant, called Levant lines.
Levantines was formerly the descendants of Europeans born in the Levant, especially if they had oriental mothers. They played an important role in the Levantine trading cities as merchants and brokers.

The US invasion of Iraq, that caused complete and total chaos in the country, and then their subsequent support for Maliki who is also directly responsible for the rise of IS with his policies aimed at shutting the Sunni minority out of power in Iraq.

What?
Islamic state (in Iraq and Syria / Levant), abbreviated IS, Isis or Isil (Arabic: الدولة الإسلامية ad-Dawla al-Islamiyya (fi al-Iraq wa al-Sham) (Daesh)), is an armed Sunni Islamist movement, mainly active in Iraq and Syria.

Yes and why do you think they gained quite a bit of support from Sunni's in Iraq? Because the Shia majority took control over the central government, and followed policies specifically aimed at marginalizing Sunni citizens at every opportunity.

The US invasion of Iraq, that caused complete and total chaos in the country, and then their subsequent support for Maliki who is also directly responsible for the rise of IS with his policies aimed at shutting the Sunni minority out of power in Iraq.

What?
Islamic state (in Iraq and Syria / Levant), abbreviated IS, Isis or Isil (Arabic: الدولة الإسلامية ad-Dawla al-Islamiyya (fi al-Iraq wa al-Sham) (Daesh)), is an armed Sunni Islamist movement, mainly active in Iraq and Syria.

Yes and why do you think they gained quite a bit of support from Sunni's in Iraq? Because the Shia majority took control over the central government, and followed policies specifically aimed at marginalizing Sunni citizens at every opportunity.

It's very difficult to understand the situation in the Levant.
I don't Think anybody does it...
Shia is a majority around Bagdad. In the rest of the World Sunni is a majority.
And does muslims in general practice islam?
I have met a few that practiced islam but they where very peaceful.

How do we educated these types?

Force them to read the Koran perhaps?
Not some silly clergy interpreter....

One of the great failing of Islam, is there is no 'Controlling Authority'.

Oh dear. There are many 'Controlling Authorities' in the muslim World.
Every father and husband is a 'Controlling Authority'.
Many are also 'Controlling Women'.
For good or bad.

One of the reasons Turkey is a mortal enemy, as is the Saudi Family, to the Jihadists (long story).

Hmmm. Saudi Arabia has already implemented the very same laws that IS wants.
Strange though that they now build a wall on their northern border against the IS...

They are responsible for their choices.

Unless one believes they are nothing more than children, and The West is their father.

This silly, 'Aren't We Superior', unthinking. Still invades the unthinking (or worse) Right, as it does The Left.

How do we educated these types?

Conveniently absolving us from any blame.

Sure, we invaded your country, destroyed all its institutions, created a power vacuum, failed to maintain order, put every crackpot Jihadist together in the same building creating a giant echo chamber for their corrosive ideology, but hey, its your own responsibility and fault that ISIS is ruining your country. Riiiight.

This is literally refusing to learn from history, and you know what they say about that.

Ridiculous assertions, of course.

Where did I absolve anyone? No place.

The British and French, by their actions (Treaty of Versailles), assisted The Nazis to gain control of Germany.

I guess you believe The German people should be absolved of their responsibility for The Nazis, because of British and French involvement.

Your excusing The German People, for the rise of The Nazis, is disgusting.

If you aren't absolving The German People: Why are you absolving The Jihadists?

Are they Inferior to Western People?

Yes you did. By placing the blame for the rise of ISIS squarely and solely on the people of Iraq and Syria (their responsibility for their choices remember?) you are absolving the West of any responsibility it has towards the rise of ISIS.

And I'm not absolving the German people for the rise of the Nazis, but I also do consider that the French and British played a key role in allowing the Nazis to rise by shaping some of the preconditions that were necessary for their rise. In short, I blame the Germans, French and British, rather than just one or the other.

And I do the same with ISIS.

Yes you did. By placing the blame for the rise of ISIS squarely and solely on the people of Iraq and Syria (their responsibility for their choices remember?) you are absolving the West of any responsibility it has towards the rise of ISIS.

And I'm not absolving the German people for the rise of the Nazis, but I also do consider that the French and British played a key role in allowing the Nazis to rise by shaping some of the preconditions that were necessary for their rise. In short, I blame the Germans, French and British, rather than just one or the other.

And I do the same with ISIS.

Most people with any knowledge of history understand this.

I am surprised that there are still people out there you have to explain this too. Its quite depressing.

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Most people with any knowledge of history understand this.

I am surprised that there are still people out there you have to explain this too. Its quite depressing.

I don't know. I think he is just trolling everyone. Would explain his writing style as well.