Not to stand by idly when a human life is in danger (Lev. 19:16)
Not to take revenge (Lev. 19:18)
Not to bear a grudge (Lev. 19:18)

I don't think more is needed.....

Tell that to Israel/Palestine/Ukraine & Russia.

I was hoping they read it...
According to teachings they already should have done that...

Yep... unfortunately too many are reading verses like this one: Deuteronomy 20:16 "...do not leave alive anything that breaths. Completely destroy them...as the Lord your God has commanded you..."

And 7:2 "And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:" amongst others


According to the Biblical scholar Raymond Schwager, there are

600 passages of explicit violence in the Hebrew Bible [a.k.a. Old Testament], 1000 verses where God's own violent actions of punishment are described, 100 passages where God expressly commands others to kill people, and several stories where God irrationally kills or tries to kill for no apparent reason. Violence ... is easily the most often mentioned activity in the Hebrew Bible.

edit: bound to make your neighbours a bit paranoid...

Not to stand by idly when a human life is in danger (Lev. 19:16)
Not to take revenge (Lev. 19:18)
Not to bear a grudge (Lev. 19:18)

I don't think more is needed.....

Tell that to Israel/Palestine/Ukraine & Russia.

I was hoping they read it...
According to teachings they already should have done that...

Yep... unfortunately too many are reading verses like this one: Deuteronomy 20:16 "...do not leave alive anything that breaths. Completely destroy them...as the Lord your God has commanded you..."

And 7:2 "And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:" amongst others


According to the Biblical scholar Raymond Schwager, there are

600 passages of explicit violence in the Hebrew Bible [a.k.a. Old Testament], 1000 verses where God's own violent actions of punishment are described, 100 passages where God expressly commands others to kill people, and several stories where God irrationally kills or tries to kill for no apparent reason. Violence ... is easily the most often mentioned activity in the Hebrew Bible.

edit: bound to make your neighbours a bit paranoid...

Yes, especially when you add your books and hadiths on top of it.

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Didn't some 1 put a picture of Airel sharons son saying some thing like kill them all so who is the NAZI now who has built contrete walls . Stop'd food and humantarian stuff coming into the Gaza bombs hospital and is now killing kids by the dozen ........


mm Hitler is dead so can't be him Joseph Goebbels is too Doctor Josef Mengele think hes gone
but there is those what amounts to concentration camps in Gaza they concentrate all the people into a small area for a easy kill

so who's the Nazi now ?????

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... edit: bound to make your neighbours a bit paranoid...

Yes, especially when you add your books and hadiths on top of it.

There is one simple positive solution:

Not Biblical Retribution:

Go for cooperation.



Very simple if those in the "Holy Lands" could be somewhat more holy rather than seeking suicide and Armageddon.


All very painfully silly politics as ever,

All in our only one world,
Martin

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... edit: bound to make your neighbours a bit paranoid...

Yes, especially when you add your books and hadiths on top of it.

There is one simple positive solution:

Not Biblical Retribution:

Go for cooperation.



Very simple if those in the "Holy Lands" could be somewhat more holy rather than seeking suicide and Armageddon.


All very painfully silly politics as ever,

All in our only one world,
Martin

You might consider that this subject, unlike warming, is killing people for real but there is still no possibility of a political solution; so what chance does warming have?

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http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/741866
So rockets from Gaza are just bottle rockets .....

<ed>fixed link

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http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/741866
So rockets from Gaza are just bottle rockets .....

<ed>fixed link

Considering that even firing bottle rockets near an airport is a bad idea, I'm not sure what your point is.

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I didn't know there were so many Jewish people participating in this thread? ;) This war has been going on for so many years now, people tend to forget who's land it really was. I think the Palestinans and Israelis don't even know for sure anymore LOL but as I stated earlier, I always tend to give my support to the underdog. The Hamas, using their own people and even children as their 'shield' against the Israelis is also something I really don't support.

Well the problem is that the land was given to Israel by the British. That was the first mistake. Perhaps it would have made more sense to create a Jewish state in Germany rather than somewhere that had nothing to do with the Holocaust? Who knows..but there were people living there before the state of Israel was created and it doesn't surprise me they weren't happy about it.

I agree that using people as human shields is a bad move. However, that cry doesn't really mean much in such a densely populated place as Gaza. How are the people of Gaza meant to get justice for the great wrongs being done to them? Especially when the western media reporting is so incredibly biased against them. Most Americans do not hear the other side of the argument at all. They are simply told that Hamas is a terrorist organisation (despite being democratically elected by the people of Gaza) and that it wants to destroy Israel (despite exactly the same rhetoric coming out of Israel about the Palestinians.) We hear about the rockets that are fired out of Gaza that do little if any damage, but we do not hear about the innocent civilians of Gaza who are living it what is effectively a concentration camp.

I will keep trying to present the view from the other side because that story needs to be told. Only then can there be some movement to finding a workable solution.

As Jon Stewart said,"Look, obviously there are many strong opinions on this," Stewart said when the shouting subsided. "But just merely mentioning Israel or questioning in any way the effectiveness or humanity of Israel's policies is not the same thing as being pro-Hamas."

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They are simply told that Hamas is a terrorist organisation (despite being democratically elected by the people of Gaza) and that it wants to destroy Israel (despite exactly the same rhetoric coming out of Israel about the Palestinians.)

Being democratically elected does not precude being a terrorist organization. That statement you made does not pass the logic test.

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They are simply told that Hamas is a terrorist organisation (despite being democratically elected by the people of Gaza) and that it wants to destroy Israel (despite exactly the same rhetoric coming out of Israel about the Palestinians.)

Being democratically elected does not precude being a terrorist organization. That statement you made does not pass the logic test.

But one man's terrorist is often another man's freedom fighter. When the Taliban were fighting their USSR invaders - the west armed them... When the IRA... I could go on... I won't.

They are simply told that Hamas is a terrorist organisation (despite being democratically elected by the people of Gaza) and that it wants to destroy Israel (despite exactly the same rhetoric coming out of Israel about the Palestinians.)

Being democratically elected does not precude being a terrorist organization. That statement you made does not pass the logic test.

Well there are lots of democratically elected governments that employ terrorism so it is a grey area and depends on who is pointing the finger I guess.

The point I was trying to make is that they have a lot of popular support in Gaza because they offer the people the most effective form of resistance they can hope for.

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They are simply told that Hamas is a terrorist organisation (despite being democratically elected by the people of Gaza) and that it wants to destroy Israel (despite exactly the same rhetoric coming out of Israel about the Palestinians.)

Being democratically elected does not precude being a terrorist organization. That statement you made does not pass the logic test.

But one man's terrorist is often another man's freedom fighter. When the Taliban were fighting their USSR invaders - the west armed them... When the IRA... I could go on... I won't.

Not to mention that the Likud (Benjamin Netanyahu) party has it's roots in the Irgun which was designated as a terrorist organisation in the 1940's.

Everyone has their own views on this, but it beggars belief when this occurs

Over the past several years we have seen those who use social media to incite hatred arrested & charged...

...What will this happen to this muppet?

Not much as he'll use parliamentary privilege as his get out of jail card

Just wonder what Nickerless Clegg will have to day about this!

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How are the people of Gaza meant to get justice for the great wrongs being done to them? Especially when the western media reporting is so incredibly biased against them.

I wonder where you get that impression from, I seem to have spent most of my time when discussing the area around Israel, defending the Israeli position, because most people have only got their information from the UK press. People like Jeremy Bowen, who has had several complaints upheld against him for impartial support for the Arabs.

How are the people of Gaza meant to get justice for the great wrongs being done to them? Especially when the western media reporting is so incredibly biased against them.

I wonder where you get that impression from, I seem to have spent most of my time when discussing the area around Israel, defending the Israeli position, because most people have only got their information from the UK press. People like Jeremy Bowen, who has had several complaints upheld against him for impartial support for the Arabs.

Well the US media (which we get oodles of here in Canada) is ridiculously biased.

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The point I was trying to make is that they have a lot of popular support in Gaza because they offer the people the most effective form of resistance they can hope for.

So, Hammas uses terrorist tactics and Israel uses faciat tactics. 2 wrongs do not make a right. There sould be no reason for resistance, both parties would be better off if they could figure out how to stop fighting. IMO the West Bank settelments would be a good place to start.

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How are the people of Gaza meant to get justice for the great wrongs being done to them? Especially when the western media reporting is so incredibly biased against them.

I wonder where you get that impression from, I seem to have spent most of my time when discussing the area around Israel, defending the Israeli position, because most people have only got their information from the UK press. People like Jeremy Bowen, who has had several complaints upheld against him for impartial support for the Arabs.

Well the US media (which we get oodles of here in Canada) is ridiculously biased.

OK, I can understand that.

"These remarks (by Netanyahu) are profoundly depressing. They bear out all of our fears and suspicions: that the government of Israel is led by a man who doesn't believe the Palestinians and doesn't believe in the chance of an agreement with them, who thinks that Washington is in his pocket and that he can pull the wool over its eyes. There's no point in talking about Netanyahu's impossible rightist coalition as an obstacle to progress. From now on, just say that Netanyahu doesn't want it."

columnist Gideon Levy - Haaretz newspaper

Netanyahu bragged he has america wrapped around his finger

Worth a read.
Life — if you can call it that — under Israel’s Iron Dome

Especially when the western media reporting is so incredibly biased against them. Most Americans do not hear the other side of the argument at all.

I will keep trying to present the view from the other side because that story needs to be told.

In doing so please do not spread propaganda.
http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/8076.htm
I know it will be vary hard to get non biased reporting to quote. Anyone inside Gaza is subject to Hamas censorship.

Only then can there be some movement to finding a workable solution.

No. Only if each side wishes an end will there be a solution. Don't presuppose both sides wish an end, when that is not a fact in evidence.

Unfortunately if there was peace there would be an incredible power vacuum in Gaza and Hamas would be out of a job. Hamas is very unlikely to allow that to happen. They (the persons making up the bureaucracy) have far too much personally at stake to wish an end to the conflict.

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