Batter Up doesn't care about anyone but himself and believes that everyone else can go to hell for not believing his misinformation. ;-)

Do you try this stuff on your own congregation Batter Up?

Cheers.

Unbelievable. After all the B.S. about bringing water to the 3ed world, Detroit, I find out across the river in Windsor the profit making water company is doing the same thing.

And Batter Up is the troll? OK I understand what is going on here, carry on.

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http://opensiuc.lib.siu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1182&context=jcwre
B. Delworth Gardner wrote:

Table 1 gives the 1990 rate structure for these four
companies. The data show that the private
companies supplied water at lower rates than did
the public ones.
...
CONCLUSIONS
Despite explicit discrimination against private
water companies in several ways, our evidence
suggests that the rates of the private companies
were lower than those of public companies that
served the same classes of consumers in similar
geographical locations. Public choice theory
predicts that private companies will be more
efficient than public ones because of incentives that
contribute to efficiency. So the theory is supported
by the data. But much more empirical testing needs
to be done in Utah and elsewhere. What seems to
be quite clear is that economic efficiency would be
served and lower rates would ensue if public policy
ceased discriminating against the private companies
in order to allow them to compete on a level
playing field. The SE’s office should apply the
same standards to private companies obtaining
water rights and desiring water transfers as are
applied to public companies. State-subsidized
financing to public companies should cease. But if
this is politically infeasible, then economic
efficiency would be enhanced if the same subsidies
were offered to private companies. State and
federal taxes should be uniformly applied to private
and public water companies, and to investor-owned
and to mutually-owned firms.

B. Delworth Gardner
is Professor Emeritus of
Economics, Brigham Young University and
Professor Emeritus of Agricultural Economics,
University of California-Davis. He was trained in
Economics at the University of Chicago and has
taught at Colorado State University, Utah State
University, University of California-Davis, and
Brigham Young University. His primary research
interests are the economics of public land use and
water allocation and development, and he is a
Fellow of the American Agricultural Economics
Association.

<ed>Sigh, more knee jerk has been on display here than should happen if we are all intelligent people who take some time to gather facts and not listen to media whose sole purpose is to sow controversy to increase advertising revenue.

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I look forward to your post on why debtors prisons are a good idea.

We have them.
I'm sure you think Bernard L. Madoff shouldn't be in one.
http://www.irs.gov/uac/Examples-of-General-Fraud-Investigations-Fiscal-Year-2013

If you mean debtors prisons for failing to pay private debt, no we don't have those. We have bankruptcy law instead.

<ed>Remember you are the one advocating water bills are taxes because they are regressive.

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A for profit utility is always regulated so the government sets rates and a minimum level of service. Government has no business being in business, collect taxes and get out of the way.

This is just a troll thread anyway so don't feed the trolls.

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This is just a troll thread anyway so don't feed the trolls.

Looked in a mirror?

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This is just a troll thread anyway so don't feed the trolls.

Now that was said by someone with experience in being fed, hay wot Battered Up? :-D

Cheers.

This is just a troll thread anyway so don't feed the trolls.

Now that was said by someone with experience in being fed, hay wot Battered Up? :-D

Cheers.

That plane is still missing.

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That plane is still missing.

It's not going anywhere, it'll still be where it is when the search recommences next month when the weather is better. ;-)

Cheers.

B. Delworth Gardner:

He was trained in
Economics at the University of Chicago

The Chicago School is a very conservative place, think Milton Freedman.

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B. Delworth Gardner:

He was trained in
Economics at the University of Chicago

The Chicago School is a very conservative place, think Milton Freedman.

They have a lot to answer for.

Of course if people in this thread are following the Chicago School of Economic theories, that would explain a lot.

It was his ideas about minimal government intervention that led to the 2008 crash. It was also his students that helped support Pinochet.

I had really hoped that people had woken up to the realisation that the neo-liberal free market idea was dead and non-workable.

So now Friedman says he was wrong

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B. Delworth Gardner:

He was trained in
Economics at the University of Chicago

The Chicago School is a very conservative place, think Milton Freedman.

Ah, don't like the data, ad hominem ...

The Chicago School
First nuclear reactor
89 Nobel Laureates
49 Rhodes Scholars
9 Fields Medalists

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It is only ad homininem if you think being called a conservative is an insult.
As an aside their "patron saint" is Ayn Rand.

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It is only ad homininem if you think being called a conservative is an insult.
As an aside their "patron saint" is Ayn Rand.

It is an ad hominunem against the author of the report.

Why don't you look into the data in the report, not the author.

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Why don't you look into the data in the report, not the author.

Even the author states that more data is needed. He took a sample of 4. Often publicly owned water districts have other missions besides water. For example my water bill contains a montly bill for street lights. Another example is the cost of waste water treatment is often added the the cost of the water on a per gal basis. So the bill for water may be for more than water, that was not spelled out in paper.
And I repeat I did not attack the author. Knowing who authors a paper is not an attack.

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Knowing who authors a paper is not an attack.

That I stated, the who. You attempted to broad brush paint the author because of the school they attended, not even knowing if they took a class taught by the professor you mentioned.

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Knowing who authors a paper is not an attack.

That I stated, the who. You attempted to broad brush paint the author because of the school they attended, not even knowing if they took a class taught by the professor you mentioned.

Whether Prof. Gardner took a class from Friedman is irrelevant, what is relevant is that he is a fellow of The Independent Institute, an American libertarian think tank based in Oakland, California. That is not an adhominum attack, merely stating a fact.

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So now Friedman says he was wrong

This I did not know.

+1 and thanks for sharing!

Knowing who authors a paper is not an attack.

That I stated, the who. You attempted to broad brush paint the author because of the school they attended, not even knowing if they took a class taught by the professor you mentioned.

Whether Prof. Gardner took a class from Friedman is irrelevant, what is relevant is that he is a fellow of The Independent Institute, an American libertarian think tank based in Oakland, California. That is not an adhominum attack, merely stating a fact.

Gosh, libertarian ...
http://www.independent.org/aboutus/saying.asp wrote:

“The Independent Institute, the Oakland, Calif.-based think tank, is widely praised as being one of the best and least partisan public policy research institutions in the country.”
—UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL
“I am very pleased to commend you for the program of The Independent Institute, one of the best known public policy research and educational organizations. I want to extend my sincere appreciation for the impressive professional contributions you have made in economics, government regulation, and many other areas.”
—DIANNE FEINSTEIN, U.S. Senator

Could being orthogonal to the political spectrum actually be a positive?

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Knowing who authors a paper is not an attack.

That I stated, the who. You attempted to broad brush paint the author because of the school they attended, not even knowing if they took a class taught by the professor you mentioned.

Whether Prof. Gardner took a class from Friedman is irrelevant, what is relevant is that he is a fellow of The Independent Institute, an American libertarian think tank based in Oakland, California. That is not an adhominum attack, merely stating a fact.

Gosh, libertarian ...
http://www.independent.org/aboutus/saying.asp wrote:

“The Independent Institute, the Oakland, Calif.-based think tank, is widely praised as being one of the best and least partisan public policy research institutions in the country.”
—UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL
“I am very pleased to commend you for the program of The Independent Institute, one of the best known public policy research and educational organizations. I want to extend my sincere appreciation for the impressive professional contributions you have made in economics, government regulation, and many other areas.”
—DIANNE FEINSTEIN, U.S. Senator

Could being orthogonal to the political spectrum actually be a positive?

Its one of the things you do not like about me. I technically fall under the anarchist part of the Libertarian spectrum. You seem to fall on the neo-conservative right wing side of the Libertarian spectrum. Betreger's comment about Ayn Rand seems fair to me.

You slosh around very comfortably in the Chicago School of Economics pool, and the fact is that it does promote a right wing philosophy.

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