I'm pretty sure SETI@HOME isn't prejudiced against 'blue collar' workers, etc but it isn't seen as something of use or value to many. I don't think it's an education problem but mainly the indoctrination of the masses that some things which don't have monetary results are 'elitist'?
I'm British subject so have a somewhat different outlook on many things, in my somewhat narrow view, it seems USA is more money/greed orientated/motivated than many European countries?

So who does not like to make more money? Show me any one in the EU who would volunteer to take a pay cut or give up the 30 days of holidays they get. How many strikes have they had over working hours. Or heaven forbid they had to work till 65 to retire.

I think your an old troll trying to stir the pot.

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Ehm, plenty of European countries have people working until they are 65 or older (retirement age in the Netherlands is 67 and I expect it to go up a few more times before I reach my retirement age).

And yeah, plenty of people here are willing to take a pay cut if that results in some other gain, like more fulfilling and interesting work or something.

retirement age in the Netherlands is 67 and I expect it to go up a few more times before I reach my retirement age.

*sigh* Same here in Belgium...

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Seems to me that most developed and reasonably wealthy countries have better work/life balance than North American countries (differences between US and Canada are negligible).

US politics and policies seem more driven by big business and military institutions rather than Joe Average than in many other countries.

In a country that made itself great on the back of capitalism and its defiance of fascism and socialism perhaps this is inevitable.

If the ultimate goal is to become wealthy you can either be exceptionally great at what you do, or try your luck on a reality TV program.

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Search for your own intelligence...

Very European and primitive thinking.

Not necessarily Clyde...

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I have participated in this project from the start. No posting a picture of how many work units I have crunched and without ever expecting any monetary reward. I leave my computer(s) running 24/7 just so they can crunch data for SETI. I do hope that if by chance, someday, it is my crunching that leads to proof that ET is out there and wants to talk I at least get some credit for the breakthrough. Yes many north americans work hard to earn as much money as they can but they are for the most part generous enough to give at least part of it away when someone else is in need.

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My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

Very European and primitive thinking.

Not necessarily Clyde...

Diogenes might disagree...

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Very European and primitive thinking.

Not necessarily Clyde...

Diogenes might disagree...

Well, he IS considered one of the founders of cynicism ;)

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I'm British subject...

So why are you displaying my flag?

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Very European and primitive thinking.

Not necessarily Clyde...

Think about it.

When someone uses the term MASSES: Does he believe he is one of the MASSES? IE: "As one of the masses...". Of course not. This person believes he is above/superior to The Masses. IE: Elite. Why? Possibly because of Bloodlines, Intellect, Education, etc. This is very European thinking from way, way, way back.

American thinking is that Power, and The Right to Control, is just that: POWER. Not any (by American Thinking) sense of personal superiority over The Masses. A term, for good reason, that is rarely used in the US.

True, when you look at it that way.

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Very European and primitive thinking.

Not necessarily Clyde...

Think about it.

When someone uses the term MASSES: Does he believe he is one of the MASSES? IE: "As one of the masses...". Of course not. This person believes he is above/superior to The Masses. IE: Elite. Why? Possibly because of Bloodlines, Intellect, Education, etc. This is very European thinking from way, way, way back.

American thinking is that Power, and The Right to Control, is just that: POWER. Not any (by American Thinking) sense of personal superiority over The Masses. A term, for good reason, that is rarely used in the US.

I disagree...

Government is power. This power was spread out to the people themselves. Key word---was.

They now use 'wedge issues' to play political football, and we the people fall for it.

You have a choice that is not a real choice. You go left or right.

In the federal government there should be no left or right, only rule of law.

In the state you should have a choice of left or right.

Now we have judges who legislate from the bench, their rulings are legislation, not rulings of what is law and what is not law.

We have a president who with a pen and phone breaks the law himself and we can and should call this a imperial presidency.

We have everyone making law and the people who are to make the laws are not doing their jobs nor are they looking to their constituency for the majority of opinion.

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

Government is power.

That's a strange statement. Most governments are puppets, controlled by the rich and powerful that sponsored them. So that they can get richer and more powerful.

Very European and primitive thinking.

Not necessarily Clyde...

Think about it.

When someone uses the term MASSES: Does he believe he is one of the MASSES? IE: "As one of the masses...". Of course not. This person believes he is above/superior to The Masses. IE: Elite. Why? Possibly because of Bloodlines, Intellect, Education, etc. This is very European thinking from way, way, way back.

American thinking is that Power, and The Right to Control, is just that: POWER. Not any (by American Thinking) sense of personal superiority over The Masses. A term, for good reason, that is rarely used in the US.

True, when you look at it that way.

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

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I disagree...

NO?? Really? Must say that surprises me:))

@Gary: Nice poem:)

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Government is power.

That's a strange statement. Most governments are puppets, controlled by the rich and powerful that sponsored them. So that they can get richer and more powerful.

I will say this once, and once only. And you had better study all sides of the argument before you open your mouth to talk to me. Take as long as you like but do not speak until you are sure you have done your homework.

Look over my rule of law. Look damn hard at the date of 1913.

Look to how things were done before that date in D.C. and after that date in D.C.

Look at Calvin Coolidge real hard. And look at the Presidents before and after the date of 1913 in my country.

Then come back and we'll talk...

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

American thinking is that Power, and The Right to Control, is just that: POWER. Not any (by American Thinking) sense of personal superiority over The Masses. A term, for good reason, that is rarely used in the US.

You are wasting your breath with these "commoners".

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Inscription on the Statue of Liberty.

American Poet.

So about this thesis that "the masses" isn't in American usage?

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;-) "snicker..."

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

Inscription on the Statue of Liberty.

American Poet.

So about this thesis that "the masses" isn't in American usage?

Gift from France. :)

So sorry, added later.

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