For just over 2½ years I've been castigated, ridiculed, labelled, laughed at...

...when "educated intellectuals" say it...

What you have been saying just follows the general anti EU rhetoric spewed by all those nationalist politicians. But just because they say those things doesn't make it true. Those politicians are only saying those things because you and millions of other people are saying it. Its just trying to catch your vote for the next elections.

Suggest you take a few years on a gap break & step into the real world. You're in your mid 20's correct?

5-11 primary school
11-16 secondary
16-18/19 college
19-25 university.

& that's the problem throughout Europe. From school to bureaucrat with no real world experience, yet they spew out rules & regs left right & centre without stopping to see the damage that many of them cause.

Many at grass roots level have no need to listen to "nationalist muppets" as they can see the damage being done.

The main problem is that too many of those muppets are listening to people such as yourself, which is where the labelling is coming from & if you can't see that, then you won't make it in the real world so find a nice cushy position for yourself.

4 nations within the EU sent a valid message, that's 1/7th.

Be very afraid if it ever becomes 4/7ths or greater!

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Suggest you take a few years on a gap break & step into the real world. You're in your mid 20's correct?

5-11 primary school
11-16 secondary
16-18/19 college
19-25 university.

& that's the problem throughout Europe. From school to bureaucrat with no real world experience, yet they spew out rules & regs left right & centre without stopping to see the damage that many of them cause.

Who says I have no real world experience? Who says people of my age have no real world experience. What do you even mean with real world experience? Have a job? Traveled the world for 6 months? Ive had a job since I was 13. Sure, a simple paper route, but no one is going to hire a 13 year old to do anything more than that. After highschool I've worked at a store, a call center and at a magazine. I would have loved to hold more interesting jobs than that, but again, no one is going to hire a high school graduate for anything more than store clerk or something. Ive studied 3 things. 2 I did not finish because I hated it. I've lived on my own for the past 4 years now. Granted, I have not traveled the world, but plenty of people my age have. So, tell me, how did I miss real world experience and how could I have gotten that experience without getting a degree first?

Many at grass roots level have no need to listen to "nationalist muppets" as they can see the damage being done.

Alright, give me a rule or regulation that has 'damaged' a country.

The main problem is that too many of those muppets are listening to people such as yourself, which is where the labelling is coming from & if you can't see that, then you won't make it in the real world so find a nice cushy position for yourself.

As a staunch pro European I can assure you that none of those 'muppets' have been listening to me because they advocate the exact opposite of what I am advocating.

4 nations within the EU sent a valid message, that's 1/7th.

Be very afraid if it ever becomes 4/7ths or greater!

Sadly they did :(

So, tell me, how did I miss real world experience and how could I have gotten that experience without getting a degree first?

You got your degree so get a job in the field you wanted. Build up your experience then go for your Masters.

Alright, give me a rule or regulation that has 'damaged' a country.

ECHR & the Human Rights Act. Case in point: -

Giving prisoners the right to vote? What planet are the EU muppets on? Break the rules & laws of society & you lose all rights except one & that is the right to live (& even that is debatable).

4 nations within the EU sent a valid message, that's 1/7th.

Be very afraid if it ever becomes 4/7ths or greater!

Sadly they did :(

There will be no real effective change over the next several years so with the next election that 1/7th will become a minimum of 3/7th's or greater.

When that happens, what will be your views then? Label those nations as anarchists?

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So, tell me, how did I miss real world experience and how could I have gotten that experience without getting a degree first?

At 19 you could have been drafted into the Army; you could have traveled to exotic distant lands, you could have meet exciting and unusual people and killed them. That would be an "experience". That is the euphemism they used BTW.

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You got your degree so get a job in the field you wanted. Build up your experience then go for your Masters.

That advice makes sense if you were talking about a PhD. But a Masters? Really that is only a tiny step ahead from your Bachelors degree and a Masters opens up much more job opportunities than just a Bachelors degree. And it would be pretty damaging for my career if I were to drop out after a few years to spend a year getting my Masters. Sorry but that is terrible life advice.

ECHR & the Human Rights Act. Case in point: -

Giving prisoners the right to vote? What planet are the EU muppets on? Break the rules & laws of society & you lose all rights except one & that is the right to live (& even that is debatable).

Oh yes, forcing countries to treat their prisoners in a humane way that is up to highest Western standards we are always talking about to other countries. That countries must treat prisoners with some basic dignity has been soooooo damaging to the economy of all those countries.

Seriously, if you argue that having a high standard of human rights is damaging to your country, why don't you move to the US, China, Russia or Africa.

There will be no real effective change over the next several years so with the next election that 1/7th will become a minimum of 3/7th's or greater.

When that happens, what will be your views then? Label those nations as anarchists?

That remains to be seen if that happens. There are still plenty of people who do understand the EU and why its a necessary thing to be a part off, and the people that do not like the EU are also the people that tend to not show up during European elections. Furthermore, once the economy in Europe starts to improve, and it is starting to improve, and people get jobs and what not again, people will also get a more positive outlook on the EU again.

And if not, well I wont label them as Anarchists. Just ignorant, short sighted and extremely stupid.

And if not, well I wont label them as Anarchists. Just ignorant, short sighted and extremely stupid.

In that case, get your pen & paper handy & write a letter saying that to...

France in 14bn euro black hole

Hollande will love to receive it!

Seriously, if you argue that having a high standard of human rights is damaging to your country, why don't you move to the US, China, Russia or Africa.

French police evict migrants from camp

All those nice high standard EU nations - must be something wrong for those migrants to ignore those nice lovely EU benefits & human rights and hit us all the time?

Care to save us from that by having the Netherlands take them all?

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All those nice high standard EU nations - must be something wrong for those migrants to ignore those nice lovely EU benefits & human rights and hit us all the time?

Care to save us from that by having the Netherlands take them all?

I would not mind if the Netherlands opened up for more people, but as it is our current government is to terrified of the xenophobes in our country to open up the borders. They want to look tough so those xenophobes dont all go and vote for the Freedom Party.

And what has that to do with human rights? There is no EU rule that says a country must allow migrants to live in camps like that. There is also no EU rule that says the UK must accept all those migrants.

And what has that to do with human rights? There is no EU rule that says a country must allow migrants to live in camps like that. There is also no EU rule that says the UK must accept all those migrants.

There you go again, quoting rules or the lack of! Don't those migrants have the right to live? WHY are they bypassing other EU nations? Aren't they bound by the same rules & Regulations as we are?

I would not mind if the Netherlands opened up for more people, but as it is our current government is to terrified of the xenophobes in our country to open up the borders. They want to look tough so those xenophobes dont all go and vote for the Freedom Party.

So what happened to the EU's open border policy? It seems you really are a European! Only choose those that suit you. However, when another nation demands changes, you castigate them?

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There you go again, quoting rules or the lack of! Don't those migrants have the right to live? WHY are they bypassing other EU nations? Aren't they bound by the same rules & Regulations as we are?

That depends. If they are from other EU countries, they are bound by EU rules. However, I get the feeling that these migrants are not EU nationals, therefor different rules apply.

The article wasn't detailed enough for me to see though.

So what happened to the EU's open border policy? It seems you really are a European! Only choose those that suit you. However, when another nation demands changes, you castigate them?

What happened to the EU open border policy? That policy only applies to EU citizens or people with a valid visa. Furthermore, I don't think this story was an issue of open borders or not, given that they hadn't actually crossed any borders (at least the story doesn't tell that). This is a story about France getting rid of illegal camps and whether that is in compliance with the law. And I'm pretty sure member states are allowed to remove illegal camps like that. And they have cited public health concerns. EU law allows for quite a bit of space when it comes to public health concerns.

And I'm pretty sure I would support it if the government opened up our borders for more migrants.

Good god! Have you thought about that before you posted?

Hadn't crossed any borders? Can you tell us ignorant folk how those migrants arrived in France? If they sailed, wouldn't it have been easier to sail to the quietest parts of the British coastline thereby bypassing Europe altogether?

Secondly, if your government went ahead, would the door be ajar or open wide?

Thirdly, valid visa's? How did those illegal's get onto the European mainland?

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Can you tell us ignorant folk how those migrants arrived in France? If they sailed, wouldn't it have been easier to sail to the quietest parts of the British coastline thereby bypassing Europe altogether?

No. That's why the US of A is Canada's buffer.



If Cuban's can set one foot on US land they can't be sent back without a hearing. If they are caught before that they are taken back immediately by the Coast Guard. My son told me about a time they found about twenty on a small sinking boat. They were brought aboard the cutter as their boat sank. When they were given life vests they panicked, they thought they were going to be put back into the sea. It makes me wonder what they have been told about US.

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Good god! Have you thought about that before you posted?

Hadn't crossed any borders? Can you tell us ignorant folk how those migrants arrived in France? If they sailed, wouldn't it have been easier to sail to the quietest parts of the British coastline thereby bypassing Europe altogether?

Secondly, if your government went ahead, would the door be ajar or open wide?

Thirdly, valid visa's? How did those illegal's get onto the European mainland?

Oh Im sure a number of them crossed borders within Europe. But if they have not applied for asylum or visa in the country in which they arrived in Europe, and go straight to the next country and are caught in that country, there is technically no way to check where they arrived. The burden of proof lies with the countries to show that they did not arrive in France directly.

And open wide? Sure. Let them come in.

Who said they were illegals. Its possible for migrants to arrive in Spain or Italy, get their visa there, and once you get a visa, the borders are pretty much open for you. Not sure how it works for entering the UK though, given that they are not part of Schengen.

Illegal EU migration surges as thousands flock to Italy

And if you look at this map,



If Frontex, the EU border agency, knows how they get into Europe how come so many get to the Channel ports.

Illegal EU migration surges as thousands flock to Italy

And if you look at this map,



If Frontex, the EU border agency, knows how they get into Europe how come so many get to the Channel ports.

Because Italy can't handle them, so they start giving out free passes to pretty much everyone that asks for them. And by doing so, those people are free to move around within Europe. Of course, the rest of Europe is kind of pissed off about Italy's move. Italy argues that the system isn't fair and I'm inclined to agree with them. The current system says that the country where the migrant first enters the EU has to deal with the migrant. Basically that means that countries like Italy, Greece and Spain have to deal with the vast majority of migrants. And those countries do not have the capacity to house and process the migration flows we are seeing. And the rest of Europe? They don't even want to help pay for it, they are all saying that the rules say its Italy's problem. Well then no surprise if Italy says 'screw you guys, Im giving them the papers they need to to move to the rest of Europe. Pay up or deal with them yourselves'.

So why doesn't the EU do something sensible and organise a centralised immigration bureau that can do a worthwhile job. Instead of making silly rules that p*** people off.

So why doesn't the EU do something sensible and organise a centralised immigration bureau that can do a worthwhile job. Instead of making silly rules that p*** people off.

Because that would be a good idea.

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

You guys are hilarious! The EU do something sensible?

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I'm amazed the Eurocratz haven't done so already - just think how many could be gainlessly employed casing the waste paper....

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

If they do, you can be sure of one thing...

...they'll never run out of toilet paper!

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