Jean, first your use of capitals has drawn attention to yourself as being very rude and impatient. Don not shout, you will find a quiet word will be listened to, but a shout is the best way to be ignored around here.

Second Dr Anderson is not the person to contact about a tape that is "stuck". This tape has been known about for a couple of weeks and I dares say there is a reason for it being allowed to clog up a splitter for so long. Like most around here I too would like to know "Why"? But I will be patient. And maybe someday someone will tell us, and hopefully that tape will finally be split and vanish from our screens.

As it is some new tapes have been loaded, and there are more tasks being split for distribution.

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

...to reach somebody that can contact dr anderson...

Now, if you need to reach Dr Anderson for anything BOINC related (thus not for resolving the situation of a stuck tape), his email address can be found here.

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Jean, first your use of capitals has drawn attention to yourself as being very rude and impatient. Don not shout, you will find a quiet word will be listened to, but a shout is the best way to be ignored around here.

Second Dr Anderson is not the person to contact about a tape that is "stuck". This tape has been known about for a couple of weeks and I dares say there is a reason for it being allowed to clog up a splitter for so long. Like most around here I too would like to know "Why"? But I will be patient. And maybe someday someone will tell us, and hopefully that tape will finally be split and vanish from our screens.

As it is some new tapes have been loaded, and there are more tasks being split for distribution.

Rob, re your comment, stop being so precious. The person is obviously feeling frustrated so understand it, be sympathetic and help. Telling them that are shouting and reacting as you have done does not engender their understanding or willingness to be less "in your face" (if I can use that phrase loosely). If you can't respond through inflaming the situation, then maybe you shouldn't be responding at all, let alone being a moderator.

cheers

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Jean, first your use of capitals has drawn attention to yourself as being very rude and impatient. Don not shout, you will find a quiet word will be listened to, but a shout is the best way to be ignored around here.

Second Dr Anderson is not the person to contact about a tape that is "stuck". This tape has been known about for a couple of weeks and I dares say there is a reason for it being allowed to clog up a splitter for so long. Like most around here I too would like to know "Why"? But I will be patient. And maybe someday someone will tell us, and hopefully that tape will finally be split and vanish from our screens.

As it is some new tapes have been loaded, and there are more tasks being split for distribution.

Rob, re your comment, stop being so precious. The person is obviously feeling frustrated so understand it, be sympathetic and help. Telling them that are shouting and reacting as you have done does not engender their understanding or willingness to be less "in your face" (if I can use that phrase loosely). If you can't respond through inflaming the situation, then maybe you shouldn't be responding at all, let alone being a moderator.

cheers

Lionel:
As Rob points out, the issue of the stuck 20jn12ac tape has been well-discussed in this and other threads. Management does know about it. It is a minor problem, not a sign of an impending server crash or other pending catastrophe.

The intentional use of all-caps, for whatever reason, IS considered shouting, and can be very inflamatory, and both Jean and you know that. I think Rob's response was calm, measured, and appropriate to the situation. Much more so than what I was thinking whan I first read both Jean's posts and your response to Rob. But in my own defense, it's been 100-110F here for the past 10 days, and I've been out in it for 10-12 hours each day selling Fireworks for our Independence Day celebrations, so I'm a little short-fused right now. (8{)

And as has been pointed out repeatedly in much worse situations than this, here at Seti@Home, patience (and civility) is not just a virtue, it is a Requirement.

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Donald
Infernal Optimist / Submariner, retired

Couldn't agree with you more Lionel, in this case.

Not just Rob though... a lot of the 'locals' do this all the time. Especially in the news thread. And especially at forum newcomers with a handful of posts under their belt.

It's bad for business.
It accomplishes absolutely... nothing.
Of the many ways to reply to someone (or not) this has to be the least well thought out.

Who was it that said something along the lines of 'you gotta be crazy to do the same thing over and over again and expect a different result'?

I've got a few OCDs myself and can understand the need to keep things tidy... But this one just ain't gonna happen. Ever. So maybe it's time to quit tryin'.

Jean, first your use of capitals has drawn attention to yourself as being very rude and impatient. Don not shout, you will find a quiet word will be listened to, but a shout is the best way to be ignored around here.

Second Dr Anderson is not the person to contact about a tape that is "stuck". This tape has been known about for a couple of weeks and I dares say there is a reason for it being allowed to clog up a splitter for so long. Like most around here I too would like to know "Why"? But I will be patient. And maybe someday someone will tell us, and hopefully that tape will finally be split and vanish from our screens.

As it is some new tapes have been loaded, and there are more tasks being split for distribution.

Rob, re your comment, stop being so precious. The person is obviously feeling frustrated so understand it, be sympathetic and help. Telling them that are shouting and reacting as you have done does not engender their understanding or willingness to be less "in your face" (if I can use that phrase loosely). If you can't respond through inflaming the situation, then maybe you shouldn't be responding at all, let alone being a moderator.

cheers

Lionel:
As Rob points out, the issue of the stuck 20jn12ac tape has been well-discussed in this and other threads. Management does know about it. It is a minor problem, not a sign of an impending server crash or other pending catastrophe.

The intentional use of all-caps, for whatever reason, IS considered shouting, and can be very inflamatory, and both Jean and you know that. I think Rob's response was calm, measured, and appropriate to the situation. Much more so than what I was thinking whan I first read both Jean's posts and your response to Rob. But in my own defense, it's been 100-110F here for the past 10 days, and I've been out in it for 10-12 hours each day selling Fireworks for our Independence Day celebrations, so I'm a little short-fused right now. (8{)

And as has been pointed out repeatedly in much worse situations than this, here at Seti@Home, patience (and civility) is not just a virtue, it is a Requirement.

+1

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I've got a few OCDs myself and can understand the need to keep things tidy... But this one just ain't gonna happen. Ever. So maybe it's time to quit tryin'.

Or maybe it's time people stopped encouraging those that don't follow netequitte.
There are reasons for the multiple forums & multiple threads- mostly it makes it easier to resolve prolems, answer questions and discuss things.
Folding everything down in to one forum, one thread wouldn't work too well, which is the logical conclusion of not trying to keep things in the appropriate place.
Behave like a tool, be treated like one. Behave like an adult, be treated like one. It's not complicated.

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Grant
Darwin NT

LOL...

The part I'm finding amusing is people are getting so worked up over something which at this point is having virtually zero impact at our end of the equation.

So what if the datapack is getting stuck? It's not like it's wasting any of my hosts' time on trying to split it. I have to assume the project team has a reason leave it in the queue, or they would have retired it a long time ago.

My money is on they're leaving it there on purpose, just to give people something other than CreditNew 'issues' to argue about.:-D

ITS ALIVE !!!
ntpckr and rfi are green on the SSP khan
or have i been asleep ?

It must just be group hypnosis!!!

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ITS ALIVE !!!
ntpckr and rfi are green on the SSP khan
or have i been asleep ?

Awesome news.

So after moving to coloc, which has solved a lot of problems and chores, the people at Seti had time to put this back in the move.

This is THE news.

I am curious about details, but these will be given at proper time.

Sleepy

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You're 100% right! People at SETI should now have more time to do their scientific work!

This is THE news.

Maybe there will even be some scientific news (after more than 3 years)!
Anyway, patience is required, so keep crunching!

We're about to run out of AP's again. Only 20 channels left to do, and no new files added for some time now. I need 50-55 APs each day, to keep my main cruncher happy.

Suffering, knows no boundaries...

Seems we have to get used to have APs 5-6 days or so and then live on resends for another 5-6 days or so, then we can start to build a cache again.

Raise that limit, and I will be a happy camper.

I guessed that the move downhill and the subsequent bigger pipeline to all us crunchers would have made it possible to raise the limit by now. But I'd rather get my 200 cache then all the time-outs and connection errors we had before...

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Raise that limit, and I will be a happy camper.

I guessed that the move downhill and the subsequent bigger pipeline to all us crunchers would have made it possible to raise the limit by now. But I'd rather get my 200 cache then all the time-outs and connection errors we had before...

Well, the limits were actually set due to database issues, and not the bandwidth. The database struggled and almost crashed due to all the WUs out in the wild, when there was much higher limits.

Yes it was a database issue that brought the current restrictions on and even though the change to SETI V7 has fixed a certain load problem on it it has also created another load issue, but it would be nice to have the GPU limit changed to per card.

Cheers.

Whilst the imbalance in the credit system remains, you can expect APs to run out quickly as people will seek to mainly crunch AP to get their RACs back up.

The solution is to fix the credit system. When this is done, people will stop trying to game the system and things should settle towards a natural equilibrium.

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Whilst the imbalance in the credit system remains, you can expect APs to run out quickly as people will seek to mainly crunch AP to get their RACs back up.

The solution is to fix the credit system. When this is done, people will stop trying to game the system and things should settle towards a natural equilibrium.

Strongly agree with you Lionel !
But everyone should understand that download only one kind of WU's is not very fair play.
I already told some of my team members not to download only AP's.
If everyone did the same, those who remain fair play have no more AP's :(

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Whilst the imbalance in the credit system remains, you can expect APs to run out quickly as people will seek to mainly crunch AP to get their RACs back up.

The solution is to fix the credit system. When this is done, people will stop trying to game the system and things should settle towards a natural equilibrium.

I don't think that making a choice about what work one wishes to do on their computer is 'trying to game the system'. Credits are what they are at present.

I take AP when it is available, and take all MB work when it is not.

The kitties are happy to have whatever they can get to keep things crunching along here.

I would still like to see a bit of a bump in the GPU limits. When no AP is available and the caches consist of MB only, it's hard to keep a good rig in kibble during even the usual Tuesday outage.

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."