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Message 1373409 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 10:06:09 UTC

Last time we had a major application rollout, Eric deployed a load-spreading techique called 'coral cache' (see message 800906, or search for that phrase).

It relies on your ISP transparently redirecting download requests to another server - and some ISPs and proxies refuse to do that.

The redirects are only applied to requests for application files - where everyone wants a copy of the same file, so very few files (and unchanging ones, at that) have to be held in the cache. Looking at the cricket graphs, the apps aren't being sent out from Berkeley, so I suspect the cache is in operation this time too.

If everyone is failing to download, then there's a configuration problem and we'll have to wait for Eric.

If the problem only affects some people, then try to stop using any proxy you may have set up. If that fails, changing ISP would be a possible (but drastic) solution. Otherwise, we could try to set up a mirror download site, I suppose, if anyone has a host and can afford the bandwidth?
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Message 1373416 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 10:12:28 UTC - in response to Message 1373409.  


If everyone is failing to download, then there's a configuration problem and we'll have to wait for Eric.

If the problem only affects some people, then try to stop using any proxy you may have set up. If that fails, changing ISP would be a possible (but drastic) solution. Otherwise, we could try to set up a mirror download site, I suppose, if anyone has a host and can afford the bandwidth?


It would appear that some are having problems and others not.

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Message 1373419 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 10:14:05 UTC - in response to Message 1373409.  

Last time we had a major application rollout, Eric deployed a load-spreading techique called 'coral cache' (see message 800906, or search for that phrase).

Ah, i've got vague memories of people having similar download issues with major version upgrades in the past.

If the problem only affects some people, then try to stop using any proxy you may have set up. If that fails, changing ISP would be a possible (but drastic) solution. Otherwise, we could try to set up a mirror download site, I suppose, if anyone has a host and can afford the bandwidth?

Haven't used a proxy for ages, might have to give it a go again if the files are still there in the morning.
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Message 1373424 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 10:19:29 UTC - in response to Message 1373416.  
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If everyone is failing to download, then there's a configuration problem and we'll have to wait for Eric.

If the problem only affects some people, then try to stop using any proxy you may have set up. If that fails, changing ISP would be a possible (but drastic) solution. Otherwise, we could try to set up a mirror download site, I suppose, if anyone has a host and can afford the bandwidth?

It would appear that some are having problems and others not.

Looks like we need an alternative route, then.

Usually, the apps Eric deploys here are identical to the most recent Beta apps - if my ISP lets me, I'll try to test out that theory. That gives one possible alternative source - if it checks out, I can post manual download links for people to try.

Edit - in that post from 2008, Eric mentions firewalls as another possible source of trouble. I'm guessing he means the sort of corporate hardware firewall that big companies use, not personal software firewalls. If that applies to you, trying downloading again when you get home, or nip out to Starbucks for a coffee and use their WiFi. Once you have the files, they can be copied to other machines by sneakernet or LAN.
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Message 1373428 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 10:25:31 UTC - in response to Message 1373419.  

Last time we had a major application rollout, Eric deployed a load-spreading techique called 'coral cache' (see message 800906, or search for that phrase).

Ah, i've got vague memories of people having similar download issues with major version upgrades in the past.

If the problem only affects some people, then try to stop using any proxy you may have set up. If that fails, changing ISP would be a possible (but drastic) solution. Otherwise, we could try to set up a mirror download site, I suppose, if anyone has a host and can afford the bandwidth?

Haven't used a proxy for ages, might have to give it a go again if the files are still there in the morning.



OK- i just put in a proxy, and i'm getting the same effect msattler was getting. After a couple of seconds the download timesout- but during those couple of seconds the files are downloading.
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Message 1373434 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 10:48:53 UTC - in response to Message 1373428.  

I'm going to wait until next week and the dust settles before I change over to V7, but if I run out of V6 work in that time my backup projects can have a bit of a workout. ;-)

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Message 1373436 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 10:53:09 UTC - in response to Message 1373434.  

Good idea. I changed because I ran out of GPU work and couldn't get any more. It may have been there but it wasn't landing here...so I flipped to v7.



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Message 1373439 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 11:00:38 UTC - in response to Message 1373436.  
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Oh for crying out loud.
After a huge amount of clicking retry & using a proxy, it stopped working. So i did away with the proxy, and then they started downloading by themselves.

*bangs head on desk*
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Message 1373441 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 11:02:13 UTC

Is there going to be an app_info file for the v7 and what do I need to do to get it. I am a novice when doing things like that
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Message 1373443 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 11:07:59 UTC - in response to Message 1373439.  

Oh for crying out loud.
After a huge amount of clicking retry & using a proxy, it stopped working. So i did away with the proxy, and then they started downloading by themselves.

*bangs head on desk*


flattening forehead and removing all wrinkles in the process ...

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Message 1373446 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 11:10:25 UTC - in response to Message 1373443.  

I wrote this elsewhere as well:

I just had a "cuda_opend_100" AP WU land on the box with the 295s. Is there a way to stop AP landing on this box ??
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Message 1373447 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 11:12:53 UTC - in response to Message 1373446.  

Just to note, some of the cuda50 WUs landing on the 295s are taking ~80 minutes to complete ...
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Message 1373448 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 11:12:58 UTC - in response to Message 1373441.  

Is there going to be an app_info file for the v7 and what do I need to do to get it. I am a novice when doing things like that

I suggest you wait for the installer we are working on.

If you really want to do it yourself all you need to know is:

<app>
<name>setiathome_v7</name>
</app>

and

<app_version>
<app_name>setiathome_v7</app_name>
<version_num>700</version_num>

the ati apps went out with higher version numbers, do check the app page.

AKv8b2 isn't v7 compatible!

I don't take any responsability for anybody trashing their cache and/or their tasks due to poor app_info.xml fiddling.
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Message 1373452 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 11:14:47 UTC - in response to Message 1373446.  

I wrote this elsewhere as well:

I just had a "cuda_opend_100" AP WU land on the box with the 295s. Is there a way to stop AP landing on this box ??

You can only opt out of AP altogether. If you want to opt out of AP for GPU _only_ you need an app_info.xml.
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Message 1373455 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 11:17:26 UTC - in response to Message 1373392.  

Is it possible to download the new optimized apps somewhere without the installer, i.e. just a zip file with all needed files inside, like it was possible before? Some of us don't need installers, that do more than it's actually needed...

Sure... but only for GPU apps. CUDA on Jason's site, OpenCL on Lunatics. All as separate packs.

I need CPU apps, no CUDA or OpenCL capable GPUs here. I wonder why they stopped distributing the CPU apps as separate packs, that was so much better (for some of us).

When we will have something to distribute there will be separate packs too.

Good. That was not the case with the "enhanced" apps, at least not recently, only installer.

When we have caught our colletive breath we plan to do packages with the full SIMD range.
Until then, when the installer is out, you can use 7z to extract single files out of the installer.exe

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Message 1373456 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 11:18:42 UTC - in response to Message 1373452.  


You can only opt out of AP altogether. If you want to opt out of AP for GPU _only_ you need an app_info.xml.


That's what I thought might be the case. I had AP running on the i7 3930K but not on the others. Oh well, just aborted the AP WU ...

If any more come through I'll just give them the same treatment ...

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Message 1373461 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 11:26:48 UTC - in response to Message 1373448.  

Thanks will probably wait for it as I am useless at doing things like that
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Message 1373492 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 13:36:56 UTC

Just converted my GTX460 cruncher back to stock and got my first 37 v7 tasks, one of which is happily crunching now.

Where is the app_config.xml file that I need to edit to run 2 WU at a time located? It does not appear to be in the projects/seti folder that app_info.xml was in.

If I need to create one from scratch can someone post one and advise what needs changing to adjust the number of WU's being run?
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Message 1373498 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 14:07:36 UTC - in response to Message 1373492.  

Just converted my GTX460 cruncher back to stock and got my first 37 v7 tasks, one of which is happily crunching now.

Where is the app_config.xml file that I need to edit to run 2 WU at a time located? It does not appear to be in the projects/seti folder that app_info.xml was in.

If I need to create one from scratch can someone post one and advise what needs changing to adjust the number of WU's being run?

You have to write it yourself: details are at the bottom of client configuration.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got an installer to write.
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Message 1373501 - Posted: 30 May 2013, 14:19:27 UTC - in response to Message 1373498.  

Just converted my GTX460 cruncher back to stock and got my first 37 v7 tasks, one of which is happily crunching now.

Where is the app_config.xml file that I need to edit to run 2 WU at a time located? It does not appear to be in the projects/seti folder that app_info.xml was in.

If I need to create one from scratch can someone post one and advise what needs changing to adjust the number of WU's being run?

You have to write it yourself: details are at the bottom of client configuration.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got an installer to write.

As the kitties are still running their beloved 6.10.58 Boinc, they shall have to be content just to get the new apps running until the installer is ready and they can go back to opti configuration.

Thank you for your efforts, Richard.
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