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But you have sister! Sounding like one of them preachers now:)

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You did just claim that someone was being treated as a second class citizen because her parents send her to a school which believes in traditional gender roles and asked the parents to make sure their child complies with them. Sorry but I think that before you can claim that you are being treated as a second class citizen you have to be treated a little worse than that. You know, like losing the right to vote, drive a car, enjoy basic civil liberties. Sorry, but I think that does fall under the category 'overreaction'.

Oh boy. Thanks for explaining to me what it feels like to be a woman. You've got me there. I would never have known if you weren't there to point it out to me.

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Daughter, the struggle continues...

Oh boy. Thanks for explaining to me what it feels like to be a woman. You've got me there. I would never have known if you weren't there to point it out to me.

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Daughter, the struggle continues...

I agree with and Support both Es99 and Hev view on this Matter.

Best Wishes
Byron

I just read about Sunnie Kahle and it's important to note that the school says quite specifically that their complaint is about more than Sunnie's hair and clothing. (Their response is in a followup article: http://www.wset.com/story/25083934/christian-school-defends-themselves-against-claims). Either they have no objective rules that she and her grandparents willingly broke (skirts or dresses only, hair at least x inches below the ears, etc.) or they believe even if she conformed to such rules she would still be insufficiently feminine to remain in their school.

An eight year old, insufficiently feminine.

A private school can accept or reject just about any student they want.

And the larger society can tell them their standards are a crock of shit.

And most importantly, the notion that labeling an idea religious exempts that idea from criticism, is also a crock of shit.

I'd say more but I'm going to be late for work.

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Oh boy. Thanks for explaining to me what it feels like to be a woman. You've got me there. I would never have known if you weren't there to point it out to me.

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Oh really. Are you seriously going to argue that women in Canada or the United States have no civil liberties? That they can't vote? Or drive a car?

Yeah, the position of women is still not on an equal footing of that of men, sure, no argument there. But to act like you live in Saudi Arabia instead of Canada, please.

But to act like you live in Saudi Arabia instead of Canada, please.

I think Es would be the last person to act that way...seriously!

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But to act like you live in Saudi Arabia instead of Canada, please.

I think Es would be the last person to act that way...seriously!

She did just claim that a girl got treated like a second class citizen because her private school has a dumb dress code and believes in traditional gender roles. See the disparity?

But to act like you live in Saudi Arabia instead of Canada, please.

I think Es would be the last person to act that way...seriously!

She did just claim that a girl got treated like a second class citizen because her private school has a dumb dress code and believes in traditional gender roles. See the disparity?

She made a statement but she doesn't act that way.

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But to act like you live in Saudi Arabia instead of Canada, please.

I think Es would be the last person to act that way...seriously!

She did just claim that a girl got treated like a second class citizen because her private school has a dumb dress code and believes in traditional gender roles. See the disparity?

She made a statement but she doesn't act that way.

I think in countries where women's rights have been brought up to a level equal to those of men in the statute books (in most if not all cases after a hard fought battle) any erosion of them is amplified. Precedent is a slippery downward slope and digging our heels in, whether they be stiletto or something more practical, is probably a good idea :)

I must say I was astonished to learn that women had no right to vote in Switzerland until 1971 and in Leichtenstein their right to vote wasn't granted until 1984 (five years after the United Nations Convention on the Elimination of all forms of Discrimination Against Women)

But that's just what I think... :) Best wishes for a truly lovely weekend to all!! :)

I think in countries where women's rights have been brought up to a level equal to those of men in the statute books (in most if not all cases after a hard fought battle) any erosion of them is amplified. Precedent is a slippery downward slope and digging our heels in, whether they be stiletto or something more practical, is probably a good idea :)

I agree, but there is no erosion here. Its a private school with its own philosophy that people opt in for, as is their right in a free country. Others may disagree with such a philosophy for obvious reasons and don't send their child to such a school. In any case, what this school did was in no way severe enough to make a reasonable claim that someone was treated as a second class citizen.

Oh boy. Thanks for explaining to me what it feels like to be a woman. You've got me there. I would never have known if you weren't there to point it out to me.

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Oh really. Are you seriously going to argue that women in Canada or the United States have no civil liberties? That they can't vote? Or drive a car?

Yeah, the position of women is still not on an equal footing of that of men, sure, no argument there. But to act like you live in Saudi Arabia instead of Canada, please.

Talk about reaching. You've done the equivalent of Godwin's law when it comes to talking about women's equal rights.

Yes I live in Canada, but I'm from English..and pretty much everything I have achieved in life I have achieved despite being a woman. Its been hard won. I guess all that means nothing because according to you I have it so good.

One of the things that has made it hard for me is the expectation of how I should behave, speak and think because I am a woman. Forcing women to dress a certain way is a way reinforcing that treatment and expectation. So yes, I have been allowed to drive, but I have been treated differently from a man all my life and it HAS absolutely had a negative impact and made my life harder.

Is Canada better than Saudi Arabia? Sure..as long as you are not one of the 100s of women that have disappeared over the years with very little outcry. Your argument that somehow because we are better treated than women in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan so everything is ok is idiotic, ignorant and patronising. Quite honestly it is insulting.

That you don't understand the full impact of forcing girl children to conform to stereotypes that have real and negative impacts on their lives is not my problem. Its yours.

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Talk about reaching. You've done the equivalent of Godwin's law when it comes to talking about women's equal rights.

Yes I live in Canada, but I'm from English..and pretty much everything I have achieved in life I have achieved despite being a woman. Its been hard won. I guess all that means nothing because according to you I have it so good.

One of the things that has made it hard for me is the expectation of how I should behave, speak and think because I am a woman. Forcing women to dress a certain way is a way reinforcing that treatment and expectation. So yes, I have been allowed to drive, but I have been treated differently from a man all my life and it HAS absolutely had a negative impact and made my life harder.

I never claimed that women had it easy, far from that in fact. But there is inequality and there is being considered a second class citizen. One does not automatically result in being the other. You cannot compare this girls situation with that of the position of women where they ARE actually treated like second class citizens.

Is Canada better than Saudi Arabia? Sure..as long as you are not one of the 100s of women that have disappeared over the years with very little outcry. Your argument that somehow because we are better treated than women in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan so everything is ok is idiotic, ignorant and patronising. Quite honestly it is insulting.

Do not put words in my mouth. I never said women in the West have achieved everything they can and should achieve. I wouldn't dare to claim that women in the West have everything and that it is all okay. But again, women in the West do have it significantly better than women everywhere else, that is an undeniable fact. You have voting rights, you have the same civil liberties, you can drive cars, you can get a career. Don't say that the position of women in Western society is so weak that you can be considered second class. That is just not the case anymore.

That you don't understand the full impact of forcing girl children to conform to stereotypes that have real and negative impacts on their lives is not my problem. Its yours.

I understand full well what the impact and consequences are. I simply think that the freedom we have in the West means we can raise our children in the way we see fit. And that includes raising them in an environment that supports traditional gender roles.

Both disturbing and disgusting

What a creep, good thing they arrested him.

Yep, they're everywhere lately...Too horrible for words...

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Interesting report, however, have one major issue with it!

For a nuclear power it needs financial assistance from the rest of the world?

Pakistani child marriage-free zone

"UN is giving $10m (£6m), and the EU 100m euros (£83m), to get more Pakistani children into education."

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Has anyone bothered to investigate the dress code for boys at the school in question, and what happens if the boys do not comply with it ?

Unless they have, to claim "discrimination" is pointless.

The discrimination would be if one gender had a dress code enforced on them and the other one didn't. If the dress code is enforced equally across both, then there is no discrimination

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Has anyone bothered to investigate the dress code for boys at the school in question, and what happens if the boys do not comply with it ?

Unless they have, to claim "discrimination" is pointless.

The discrimination would be if one gender had a dress code enforced on them and the other one didn't. If the dress code is enforced equally across both, then there is no discrimination

T.A.

Es has issues with what she perceives as gender-discrimination, undoubtedly for reasons that mean a lot to her (most likely she has been a victim of it, though I am not sure).

I have issues with what I perceive as discrimination over religion, for reasons that mean a lot to me (I suffered from it).

She mentioned the news story and griped over religion.
I saw her gripe over religion, and I took exception.

We both have a right to our respective viewpoints in this and it is highly unlikely that either one of us will budge.

It is probably best to let the matter drop before one of us gets REALLY pissed-off.

Has anyone bothered to investigate the dress code for boys at the school in question, and what happens if the boys do not comply with it ?

Unless they have, to claim "discrimination" is pointless.

The discrimination would be if one gender had a dress code enforced on them and the other one didn't. If the dress code is enforced equally across both, then there is no discrimination

T.A.

The point is not really discrimination, the point is that these dress codes enforce harmful gender stereotypes. IE they enforce that girls and boys should behave in certain way that conforms to certain gender stereo types. I am sure that the school also enforces a dress code that forces boys to look and behave in a way that is considered 'boy behavior'.

However, parents have the freedom to raise their children as they see fit. If they want them raised with certain gender stereotypes in mind then that is their right.

Has anyone bothered to investigate the dress code for boys at the school in question, and what happens if the boys do not comply with it ?

Unless they have, to claim "discrimination" is pointless.

The discrimination would be if one gender had a dress code enforced on them and the other one didn't. If the dress code is enforced equally across both, then there is no discrimination

T.A.

...(most likely she has been a victim of it, though I am not sure).

I've yet to meet a woman that hasn't.

I have issues with what I perceive as discrimination over religion, for reasons that mean a lot to me (I suffered from it).

She mentioned the news story and griped over religion.
I saw her gripe over religion, and I took exception.

It is a coincidence (or not) that the discrimiation often inflicted on women seems to be driven by religion. Or excused by religion. I have often thought that religion is often more about power and control than personal faith and as such i don't like it.

We both have a right to our respective viewpoints in this and it is highly unlikely that either one of us will budge.

It is probably best to let the matter drop before one of us gets REALLY pissed-off.

Oh I passed that point a long time ago sweetie.

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Women, have been systematically mistreated ... for millennia ... and now are gradually gaining the political and economic power traditionally denied them.

Byron, thank you for all of your kind wishes of goodwill.

I must say I have to second that :)

Good Night everyone,

Good morning ... or night ... or afternoon to all in our SETI@home community,

where ever you happen ... to be on our only home .....

tiny little planet Earth :)

be kind and gentle to one another ... and ... God Bless, all you all :)

I hope you all had or will have a wonderful Day

Best Wishes
Byron
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I Love this song :)

"Imagine" by JOHN LENNON

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

JOHN LENNON