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Message 1394822 - Posted: 25 Jul 2013, 18:48:05 UTC

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/07/24/hackers-reveal-nasty-new-car-attacks-with-me-behind-the-wheel-video/
Stomping on the brakes of a 3,500-pound Ford Escape that refuses to stop–or even slow down–produces a unique feeling of anxiety. In this case it also produces a deep groaning sound, like an angry water buffalo bellowing somewhere under the SUV’s chassis. The more I pound the pedal, the louder the groan gets–along with the delighted cackling of the two hackers sitting behind me in the backseat.


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Message 1395009 - Posted: 26 Jul 2013, 2:34:27 UTC

LOL...I am an old guy too.

I drive a 1990 Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera.
It still has less than 70,000 on the odometer.
It may outlive me.

And I still run XP on every rig except my daily driver.


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Message 1395036 - Posted: 26 Jul 2013, 3:48:58 UTC - in response to Message 1394822.  

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/07/24/hackers-reveal-nasty-new-car-attacks-with-me-behind-the-wheel-video/
Stomping on the brakes of a 3,500-pound Ford Escape that refuses to stop–or even slow down–produces a unique feeling of anxiety. In this case it also produces a deep groaning sound, like an angry water buffalo bellowing somewhere under the SUV’s chassis. The more I pound the pedal, the louder the groan gets–along with the delighted cackling of the two hackers sitting behind me in the backseat.


Combine with:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/21/researcher_cracks_sim_crypto_to_own_phones_via_sms/ wrote:

A quarter of mobiles phones using DES encryption rather than the newer triple-DES for their SIM cards are vulnerable to an attack via SMS that results in a complete takeover of the phone.

This begs a question, does your OnStar, FORD Sync, or other similar in car cell phone use DES encryption?

As proof of concept code is now in the wild, it may not be long before some disaffected youth crashes your car just for fun and perhaps prevents the airbags and seat belts from working.


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Message 1395047 - Posted: 26 Jul 2013, 4:10:06 UTC - in response to Message 1394822.  

Manual transmissions help force the driver to pay attention to driving. This reliance upon auto devices help allow things such as the Boeing 777 thing last week. There are many reasons to do things for you self rather than taking the easy way out and allowing a machine to do it for you. On that same subject that is a reason to avoid the "cloud".
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Message 1395082 - Posted: 26 Jul 2013, 6:23:56 UTC

allowing a machine to do it for you


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Message 1395165 - Posted: 26 Jul 2013, 15:01:57 UTC

Good idea but does pose a couple of serious questions.....

Chinese control "Net" filter praised by PM

1: "However, one expert insisted that private companies should not hold power over blacklists, and that the responsibility should lie with an independent group."

2: "You could easily imagine a commercial organisation finding itself on that blacklist wrongly, and where they actually lost a lot of web traffic completely silently and suffered commercial damage. The issue is who gets to choose who's on that blocking list, and what accountability do they have?"

Are we there yet?

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Message 1395168 - Posted: 26 Jul 2013, 15:05:08 UTC - in response to Message 1395047.  
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Manual transmissions help force the driver to pay attention to driving. This reliance upon auto devices help allow things such as the Boeing 777 thing last week. There are many reasons to do things for you self rather than taking the easy way out and allowing a machine to do it for you. On that same subject that is a reason to avoid the "cloud".

Very much so.

If you already know that it is yourself in control, then you already know to be in control.

The San Francisco 777 crash is something that shouldn't have happened and was recoverable right up until the final panic action that then slammed the tail down into the water. For that one, the pilot in control was either unaware or too preoccupied in an already last moment dangerous situation to know that auto-thrust control was off...

(That crash is also a very unfortunate example of "descending into the disaster pit". There were a number of clear points there where the approach should have been aborted, repeatedly right up until the last few seconds, regardless of dented pride or burnt fuel. Yet the pilots pressed onwards.)


I do think there is a big problem with car and wagon design that the driver is kept far too insulated from the reality of the outside world...

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Message 1395209 - Posted: 26 Jul 2013, 16:40:47 UTC - in response to Message 1395168.  

the san fran crash has also been attributed to "authoratative deferal" that apparently is part of the Korean culture. One doesn't second guess an autority figure(pilot trainer) in spite of the fact that you are clearly going to crash.


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Message 1395282 - Posted: 26 Jul 2013, 19:25:46 UTC - in response to Message 1395209.  

the san fran crash has also been attributed to "authoratative deferal" that apparently is part of the Korean culture. One doesn't second guess an autority figure(pilot trainer) in spite of the fact that you are clearly going to crash.

I thought that "authoratative deferal" had been recommended to be got rid of after Tenerife airport disaster, 1977
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Message 1395283 - Posted: 26 Jul 2013, 19:26:38 UTC - in response to Message 1395209.  

the san fran crash has also been attributed to "authoratative deferal" that apparently is part of the Korean culture. One doesn't second guess an autority figure(pilot trainer) in spite of the fact that you are clearly going to crash.

Which is particularly bad in a training situation as you have to allow the student to get into a little bit of a situation so they can figure out how to get out of it on their own.

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Message 1395287 - Posted: 26 Jul 2013, 19:30:24 UTC

While one may make rules, pass laws etc. "in an instant" it takes far longer to change a culture. Thus many countries will continue to have "authoritative deferral events" for a long time to come :-(
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Message 1395295 - Posted: 26 Jul 2013, 19:41:59 UTC - in response to Message 1395047.  

Manual transmissions help force the driver to pay attention to driving. This reliance upon auto devices help allow things such as the Boeing 777 thing last week. There are many reasons to do things for you self rather than taking the easy way out and allowing a machine to do it for you. On that same subject that is a reason to avoid the "cloud".


Interesting that we are on the same page here.
I posted the following comment in the 'train safety' thread in the Cafe just a short while ago....before reading this thread.



"I think all pilots, or engineers in the case of trains, should have more rigorous training in operating by the seat of their pants and not be so reliant on auto-piloting.

I think there may be a little too much complacency and assumption that the automatic systems will always be available and properly functional. And when that fails to be reality, I think some are not as equipped to handle things manually as they perhaps should be."
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Message 1395369 - Posted: 26 Jul 2013, 22:33:50 UTC

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/07/26/exclusive-gps-flaw-could-let-terrorists-hijack-ships-planes/
The world’s GPS system is vulnerable to hackers or terrorists who could use it to hijack ships -- even commercial airliners, according to a frightening new study that exposes a huge potential hole in national security.


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Message 1395645 - Posted: 27 Jul 2013, 18:00:00 UTC

I wonder if there is anyone out there to take over from this guy in showcasing the weaknesses of modern technology?

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Message 1396160 - Posted: 29 Jul 2013, 12:43:29 UTC
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Won't be long before it leaks out..

Car Key Immobilisers hacked

Ain't technology grand.

Fire risk

With the amount of electronics on modern planes these days, why no fire detection in that area?
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Message 1396278 - Posted: 29 Jul 2013, 18:00:38 UTC - in response to Message 1396160.  

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Fire risk

With the amount of electronics on modern planes these days, why no fire detection in that area?

Further than that, for the very low cost and weight of temperature sensors, why not multiple strings of temperature sensors the full length of the aircraft innards to monitor and detect any 'anomaly' long before anything approaching the danger of an onboard fire?...


There is a long know problem of vibration chafing and damage from routine maintenance to aircraft cabling... I wonder if there is now a very ugly reliability problem for the cabling from the ever greater reliance upon all-electric systems and the ever greater design pressures to reduce weight...

Cables often go through hard to install and hard to inspect areas...


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Message 1396282 - Posted: 29 Jul 2013, 18:07:31 UTC

A rather mixed bag of ugly, bad, and good:


Australia threatens Adobe, Apple, with geo-blocking ban

... Those recommendations suggest Australia:

Remove restrictions on parallel/gray market imports;
Changes its Copyright Act “to clarify and secure consumers’ rights to circumvent technological protection measures that control geographic market segmentation”;
Create a “right of resale” for digital goods
Educate Australian consumers and businesses on how to circumvent geoblocking and what it will mean for their rights;
A ban on geo-blocking “as an option of last resort, should persistent market failure exist in spite of the changes … recommended in this report.”

The second recommendation is tantamount to legitimising VPNs for avoiding [restrictive] copyright controls [(restrictions)]...




Western spooks banned Lenovo PCs after finding back doors

Chinese PC giant Lenovo has been banned from supplying kit for the top secret networks of western intelligence agencies after security concerns emerged when backdoor vulnerabilities were detected...

... Serious backdoor vulnerabilities in hardware and firmware were apparently discovered during the tests which could allow attackers to remotely access devices without the knowledge of the owner. ...




New in Android 4.3: At last we get a grip on privacy-invading crApps

Decide which app can do what, and when - almost like a real computer...

... There may also be a backlash from developers who don't want their advertising ... denied network access...




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Message 1396640 - Posted: 30 Jul 2013, 13:57:47 UTC - in response to Message 1396567.  

Said by the man that doesn't care if his life is an open book.

Perhaps you also don't care if the launch codes to nukes are open doors.

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Message 1396684 - Posted: 30 Jul 2013, 22:07:24 UTC - in response to Message 1396664.  

That is a totally different matter, and you know it.

Apparently you don't understand what a back door is.

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Message 1396780 - Posted: 31 Jul 2013, 1:13:17 UTC - in response to Message 1396700.  

Gary, I co-admined a 1000 user building in central London on Novell Netware in the mid 1990's. Day to day we used the Supervisor accounts, when necessary we used the Administrator or God account. But we also had a back door account in case the Admin A/C got screwed up. Back doors are secret openings into the control of systems, that are not made public.

Right, just keep the password secret. Now if your shop created a second root account, that would be a secure way to do it as you can control the password. If you need physical access that can be secure as well.

The item here was a computer the manufacturer put a backdoor in, same a a default account. Problem is if the hardware has a backdoor account, everyone who has the hardware now knows about it and has the password, never mind the tech manual posted to a website like wikileaks. No secret at all. Just the same as leaving the default username / password on your router. And they weren't telling anyone it was there or giving an option to change the username password or disable it. Essentially they are giving root access to anyone and everyone!

Now are you beginning to understand the implications of a hardware backdoor?

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