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kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51477 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
You miss the point, my friend. Some of us only wish to keep our rigs busy with Seti work. And since we are Seti focused, we have an interest in the workings of the project. It's the belief in the project, not just wishing to have something to spend our electric bill money on. "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
I assure you, it is not me missing the point. I get the whole "SETI only" thing, but still, there's no right to instant information and there's no guaranteed uptime. Its your choice not to join other projects, but you cannot and should not expect any sort of uptime from SETI. |
Andy Lee Robinson Send message Joined: 8 Dec 05 Posts: 630 Credit: 59,973,836 RAC: 0 |
https://twitter.com/#!/setihome Funny how the colour "yellow" and the word "bypass" comes to mind... :-) |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
Well there ya go! Now I don't want to hear another complaint about a lack of information from the project. :-D |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51477 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
Don't put words into my mouth please. I did not say there was a 'right' to ever available information, and certainly no guarantee that the servers will be up 24/7. All I and some others are trying to say is that it would be a useful thing for those truly interested in the Seti project if there were a fallback method, IE, an off-campus site, that would be available to the users and the project staff to share information in the event that the usual Seti servers and forums are offline for whatever reason. A single point known to all that users could go to when everything in the Seti server closet was down, and the staff could also use to pass along whatever information they would wish to share about that outage. "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." |
Slavac Send message Joined: 27 Apr 11 Posts: 1932 Credit: 17,952,639 RAC: 0 |
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OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
I assure you, it is not me missing the point. I get the whole "SETI only" thing, but still, there's no right to instant information and there's no guaranteed uptime. Its your choice not to join other projects, but you cannot and should not expect any sort of uptime from SETI. But by having an expectation of a fallback method for information, you by proxy are suggesting a right to information. I still think its as obvious as the store lights being out. If the project servers are unreachable and the forums are down... just wait longer. |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51477 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
Hmmm... Check my quote above..... The words "it would be a useful thing.....'if' there were a fallback method". I don't see how you can define that as 'having an expectation' of one. "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
Well then obviously I wasn't talking about you, but to others who wish to equate SETI@Home with a business that needs to keep its doors open at all times. That is, after all, the post of mine you quoted when you jumped into the conversation. |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51477 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
And you were directly quoting me when you made that statement. Case closed, and I am outta here. "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
No, I quoted Horatio, then you quoted that post of mine quoting Horatio and responded to me, telling me that I didn't "get" something. Please check facts before closing cases. Thank you. |
Donald L. Johnson Send message Joined: 5 Aug 02 Posts: 8240 Credit: 14,654,533 RAC: 20 |
If I am remembering correctly (not guaranteed at my age) during the original catastrophic power line failure, the S@H Homepage url was redirected to the UC Berkeley IT Dept System Status Page, and later the SSL Homepage, with a note and periodic updates by the IT Department. During the Tuesday-Thursday Repair outage, that did not happen. So I set NNT and checked the Cricket graphs and the GPUUG website until I saw the note explaining the repair outage and estimated restart time. It has also been noted that Eric found the Notices function not operational, but now may have it fixed. Or maybe next time, if they have enough warning, they can send out a mass Private Message, so all of us with PM email notification will get the word. Donald Infernal Optimist / Submariner, retired |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51477 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
If I am remembering correctly (not guaranteed at my age) during the original catastrophic power line failure, the S@H Homepage url was redirected to the UC Berkeley IT Dept System Status Page, and later the SSL Homepage, with a note and periodic updates by the IT Department. There is not perfect solution at present...... As has been noted, once the main servers fail, all communication with the users are lost. As has been suggested a surrogate website might be kept online, if at a modest cost. Just to keep the lines of communication open when all others are lost. Not expected or demanded, as another user insinuated, just a nice thing if it would work out. "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." |
Logan Send message Joined: 22 May 12 Posts: 1 Credit: 66,525 RAC: 0 |
Good job getting it back online! time to get back to work i guess |
Jord Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 15184 Credit: 4,362,181 RAC: 3 |
[Edit: They could even have this "backup" domain simply redirect to it's respective main site, EXCEPT during an outage, during which it would then display news, updates, whatever. for 50-60$ a year, I feel it's a waste to NOT do it.] The whole thing here is: a) the first one was totally unplanned. It was a short-circuit that went boom, and all the lights and servers were out. Nothing to reroute to. b) the second was on short-notice. Now, having some off-site redirect site sitting there waiting until we have a planned or unplanned power outage is only going to cost money. Why not check in Seti's available history and check how many times over the past 8 years the project's been out of power? (This is the Seti-BOINC history, The Classic Seti's news is available here.) 5 are counted in the Seti News, all of them attributed to old wiring, since replaced. 1 is counted in Seti Classic, although we know that at times the whole project was gone for weeks upon end without any notice. So, let's say 6 power outages in 13 years of operation. Does that warrant having an off-site redirect page at $60.-/year? You'd expect the project to be more off line due to earthquakes, since Berkeley sits close to the St. Andreas fault. In all their years of operation, they've not been off line once due to an earthquake. |
Administrator Send message Joined: 11 May 12 Posts: 1 Credit: 5,461 RAC: 0 |
Will the ladies and gentlemen, Can with a Chinese translation of the information? |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51477 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
[Edit: They could even have this "backup" domain simply redirect to it's respective main site, EXCEPT during an outage, during which it would then display news, updates, whatever. for 50-60$ a year, I feel it's a waste to NOT do it.] An earthquake failsafe might be a good thing for a project of this freaking magnitude, don't you think? Like, the almost joke thread in Lunatics, 'Seti is down again'... F........I have never seen more folks make fun of a simple, really simple, suggestion. "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51477 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
I now own the domain name setiisdown.com. First step. "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." |
BRUCE Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 1 Credit: 694,606 RAC: 15 |
When will you folks have this back up and running again? Thanks. Bruce |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14679 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
When will you folks have this back up and running again? Almost two days AGO - the guys here are mulling over old history. If you have any residual problems running the project, please ask in one of the discussion forums like Number Crunching or Q & A. |
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