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Message 1239958 - Posted: 2 Jun 2012, 4:41:01 UTC - in response to Message 1239956.  



But SETI@Home is not a business, and you're not a customer, and there was no promise of uptime, so who says it should be open?

Your a volunteer, ready to crunch work when the project is up, and its your job to keep your CPUs busy when SETI@Home is not.

You miss the point, my friend.
Some of us only wish to keep our rigs busy with Seti work.
And since we are Seti focused, we have an interest in the workings of the project.
It's the belief in the project, not just wishing to have something to spend our electric bill money on.


I assure you, it is not me missing the point. I get the whole "SETI only" thing, but still, there's no right to instant information and there's no guaranteed uptime. Its your choice not to join other projects, but you cannot and should not expect any sort of uptime from SETI.
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Message 1239959 - Posted: 2 Jun 2012, 4:41:30 UTC


https://twitter.com/#!/setihome

Funny how the colour "yellow" and the word "bypass" comes to mind... :-)
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Message 1239963 - Posted: 2 Jun 2012, 4:44:45 UTC - in response to Message 1239959.  


https://twitter.com/#!/setihome

Funny how the colour "yellow" and the word "bypass" comes to mind... :-)


Well there ya go! Now I don't want to hear another complaint about a lack of information from the project. :-D
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Message 1239970 - Posted: 2 Jun 2012, 4:51:56 UTC - in response to Message 1239966.  




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Message 1239972 - Posted: 2 Jun 2012, 4:56:01 UTC - in response to Message 1239966.  

I assure you, it is not me missing the point. I get the whole "SETI only" thing, but still, there's no right to instant information and there's no guaranteed uptime. Its your choice not to join other projects, but you cannot and should not expect any sort of uptime from SETI.


Don't put words into my mouth please.
I did not say there was a 'right' to ever available information, and certainly no guarantee that the servers will be up 24/7.
All I and some others are trying to say is that it would be a useful thing for those truly interested in the Seti project if there were a fallback method, IE, an off-campus site, that would be available to the users and the project staff to share information in the event that the usual Seti servers and forums are offline for whatever reason.

A single point known to all that users could go to when everything in the Seti server closet was down, and the staff would also use to pass along whatever information they would wish to share about that outage.


But by having an expectation of a fallback method for information, you by proxy are suggesting a right to information.

I still think its as obvious as the store lights being out. If the project servers are unreachable and the forums are down... just wait longer.
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Message 1239989 - Posted: 2 Jun 2012, 5:17:20 UTC - in response to Message 1239978.  


Don't put words into my mouth please.
I did not say there was a 'right' to ever available information, and certainly no guarantee that the servers will be up 24/7.
All I and some others are trying to say is that it would be a useful thing for those truly interested in the Seti project if there were a fallback method, IE, an off-campus site, that would be available to the users and the project staff to share information in the event that the usual Seti servers and forums are offline for whatever reason.

A single point known to all that users could go to when everything in the Seti server closet was down, and the staff would also use to pass along whatever information they would wish to share about that outage.


But by having an expectation of a fallback method for information, you by proxy are suggesting a right to information.

I still think its as obvious as the store lights being out. If the project servers are unreachable and the forums are down... just wait longer.

Hmmm...
Check my quote above.....
The words "it would be a useful thing.....'if' there were a fallback method".
I don't see how you can define that as 'having an expectation' of one.


Well then obviously I wasn't talking about you, but to others who wish to equate SETI@Home with a business that needs to keep its doors open at all times. That is, after all, the post of mine you quoted when you jumped into the conversation.
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Message 1240001 - Posted: 2 Jun 2012, 5:30:33 UTC - in response to Message 1239996.  


Don't put words into my mouth please.
I did not say there was a 'right' to ever available information, and certainly no guarantee that the servers will be up 24/7.
All I and some others are trying to say is that it would be a useful thing for those truly interested in the Seti project if there were a fallback method, IE, an off-campus site, that would be available to the users and the project staff to share information in the event that the usual Seti servers and forums are offline for whatever reason.

A single point known to all that users could go to when everything in the Seti server closet was down, and the staff would also use to pass along whatever information they would wish to share about that outage.


But by having an expectation of a fallback method for information, you by proxy are suggesting a right to information.

I still think its as obvious as the store lights being out. If the project servers are unreachable and the forums are down... just wait longer.

Hmmm...
Check my quote above.....
The words "it would be a useful thing.....'if' there were a fallback method".
I don't see how you can define that as 'having an expectation' of one.


Well then obviously I wasn't talking about you, but to others who wish to equate SETI@Home with a business that needs to keep its doors open at all times. That is, after all, the post of mine you quoted when you jumped into the conversation.

And you were directly quoting me when you made that statement.
Case closed, and I am outta here.


No, I quoted Horatio, then you quoted that post of mine quoting Horatio and responded to me, telling me that I didn't "get" something.

Please check facts before closing cases. Thank you.
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Message 1240042 - Posted: 2 Jun 2012, 7:39:46 UTC

If I am remembering correctly (not guaranteed at my age) during the original catastrophic power line failure, the S@H Homepage url was redirected to the UC Berkeley IT Dept System Status Page, and later the SSL Homepage, with a note and periodic updates by the IT Department.

During the Tuesday-Thursday Repair outage, that did not happen. So I set NNT and checked the Cricket graphs and the GPUUG website until I saw the note explaining the repair outage and estimated restart time.

It has also been noted that Eric found the Notices function not operational, but now may have it fixed.

Or maybe next time, if they have enough warning, they can send out a mass Private Message, so all of us with PM email notification will get the word.
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Message 1240078 - Posted: 2 Jun 2012, 10:03:11 UTC - in response to Message 1232771.  

Good job getting it back online! time to get back to work i guess
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Message 1240085 - Posted: 2 Jun 2012, 10:30:34 UTC - in response to Message 1239780.  

[Edit: They could even have this "backup" domain simply redirect to it's respective main site, EXCEPT during an outage, during which it would then display news, updates, whatever. for 50-60$ a year, I feel it's a waste to NOT do it.]

The whole thing here is:
a) the first one was totally unplanned. It was a short-circuit that went boom, and all the lights and servers were out. Nothing to reroute to.
b) the second was on short-notice.

Now, having some off-site redirect site sitting there waiting until we have a planned or unplanned power outage is only going to cost money. Why not check in Seti's available history and check how many times over the past 8 years the project's been out of power? (This is the Seti-BOINC history, The Classic Seti's news is available here.)

5 are counted in the Seti News, all of them attributed to old wiring, since replaced. 1 is counted in Seti Classic, although we know that at times the whole project was gone for weeks upon end without any notice.

So, let's say 6 power outages in 13 years of operation. Does that warrant having an off-site redirect page at $60.-/year? You'd expect the project to be more off line due to earthquakes, since Berkeley sits close to the St. Andreas fault. In all their years of operation, they've not been off line once due to an earthquake.
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Message 1240105 - Posted: 2 Jun 2012, 11:52:49 UTC

Will the ladies and gentlemen, Can with a Chinese translation of the information?
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Message 1240147 - Posted: 2 Jun 2012, 14:21:03 UTC

When will you folks have this back up and running again?

Thanks.

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Message 1240152 - Posted: 2 Jun 2012, 14:40:47 UTC - in response to Message 1240147.  

When will you folks have this back up and running again?

Almost two days AGO - the guys here are mulling over old history.

If you have any residual problems running the project, please ask in one of the discussion forums like Number Crunching or Q & A.
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