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Message 1214408 - Posted: 6 Apr 2012, 1:13:31 UTC

The cricket graph shows everything has been maxed out for a while. My last 20 or so downloads were all 100+ kbps. I had to double check to make sure they didn't install a faster connection!
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Message 1214419 - Posted: 6 Apr 2012, 1:59:12 UTC - in response to Message 1214413.  

I wonder if they limited the number of connections at a time. I noticed the same thing. I d/led about 100 WU's in about 5 minutes... then the connection went back to crap


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Message 1214482 - Posted: 6 Apr 2012, 7:54:07 UTC

It looks like the creation of ap tasks has reached 0 again.

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Message 1214495 - Posted: 6 Apr 2012, 9:22:25 UTC
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It's extremely hard to get tasks to download, but when they start downloading they download extremely fast.
Looks like almost no one can connect to servers... all hosts just in deep backoffs...
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Message 1215051 - Posted: 7 Apr 2012, 9:19:06 UTC
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I guess it would be too easy for SETI to have 400Mbit of the 1GigaBit internetconnection I've read that is the actuall capacity.

Now there is like the 90Mbit available for SETI.

How many users?
How much data is going to be sent per hour?

I guess they have some kind of problem here when the users are still increasing with better computors and the BW is not.

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Message 1215180 - Posted: 7 Apr 2012, 17:33:37 UTC

Patients. There is some complication with getting a gigabit connection all the way to the lab on campus.

The project scientists are actively working on both the political issues and technical issues, to bring the much needed gigabit connection to the project servers.

Ive heard this once before and it is the truest truth of what we're doing here:
"We're here to help them and support the project that they run.
Not the other way around."

There are enough boinc projects out there to take up any unused time on your rigs.

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Message 1215207 - Posted: 7 Apr 2012, 18:24:14 UTC - in response to Message 1215180.  
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Patients. There is some complication with getting a gigabit connection all the way to the lab on campus.

The project scientists are actively working on both the political issues and technical issues, to bring the much needed gigabit connection to the project servers.

Ive heard this once before and it is the truest truth of what we're doing here:
"We're here to help them and support the project that they run.
Not the other way around."

There are enough boinc projects out there to take up any unused time on your rigs.



But only 1 that looks for any sign of intelligent life.
Most of the BOINC people are connected to SETI.
I believe they want to find signs of ET out there.


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Message 1215321 - Posted: 7 Apr 2012, 22:18:31 UTC - in response to Message 1215207.  

We all do my friend. And honestly seti is the ONLY thing I crunch (I don't crunch much just what I can to help.)

I wish there were not these issues with the downloads and uploads etc. But In short time the work being handed out will be taking longer to process and there should be less downtime for everyone. And we all hope they get the connection issues straight.

The issues with the gigabit internet for the seti@home lab are tied to the University, and not the seti@home project. There's "red tape" that needs to be dealt with. It's not our project's fault.

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Message 1215540 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 8:01:09 UTC - in response to Message 1215321.  

We all do my friend. And honestly seti is the ONLY thing I crunch (I don't crunch much just what I can to help.)

I wish there were not these issues with the downloads and uploads etc. But In short time the work being handed out will be taking longer to process and there should be less downtime for everyone. And we all hope they get the connection issues straight.

The issues with the gigabit internet for the seti@home lab are tied to the University, and not the seti@home project. There's "red tape" that needs to be dealt with. It's not our project's fault.


Wow, so if the university isn't able to deal with this "red tape" then anyone who wants more BW should go find someone in charge up higher in the hierarchy to get a "red tape reduction" or to cut the red tape in other words.

Now I understand that it is an political issue.

Who shall I write to?
The Govenour or even the President.

I am not a US citicen....

Thank you for enlight'n me Dave.

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Message 1215554 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 8:26:27 UTC
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It's the college. They need to OK the installation of some new cabling for the seti@home project. The project servers are on campus, but are only connected to the rest of the college's network through 100Mbit connection. It's this stretch of cabling that needs to be replaced.
And someone needs to pay for it as well. Those are the main issues right now.

But I doubt the seti@home project want's any of us to be ruffling anyone's feathers. That could have the opposite effect on getting the new internet connection to seti@home.
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Message 1215609 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 12:26:10 UTC - in response to Message 1215554.  

It's the college. They need to OK the installation of some new cabling for the seti@home project. The project servers are on campus, but are only connected to the rest of the college's network through 100Mbit connection. It's this stretch of cabling that needs to be replaced.
And someone needs to pay for it as well. Those are the main issues right now.

But I doubt the seti@home project want's any of us to be ruffling anyone's feathers. That could have the opposite effect on getting the new internet connection to seti@home.


We do NOT want to get involved in this.
Eric and the rest of the boyz in da lab are on it.
Fur is flying, I am sure.

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Message 1215698 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 17:40:38 UTC - in response to Message 1215554.  

It's the college. They need to OK the installation of some new cabling for the seti@home project. The project servers are on campus, but are only connected to the rest of the college's network through 100Mbit connection. It's this stretch of cabling that needs to be replaced.
And someone needs to pay for it as well. Those are the main issues right now.

Matt has spelled this out elsewhere (Tech News, i think) but the Upload/Download/Scheduler link is a stand-alone direct connection which is limited to 100 Mb by hardware and cost issues.

The 1GB link to the Space Sciences Lab has been in place since last year, but S@H has only limited access to it. THAT is the political issue being worked.

But I doubt the seti@home project want's any of us to be ruffling anyone's feathers. That could have the opposite effect on getting the new internet connection to seti@home.

Exactly. As Mark said, Eric & Company are working it. They know the organizational politics better than we, and at this point outside pressure will probably do more harm than good. If they want us to bombard someone in the UC Berkeley Administration with letters and emails, they will let us know.
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Message 1215701 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 17:44:33 UTC - in response to Message 1215698.  



The 1GB link to the Space Sciences Lab has been in place since last year, but S@H has only limited access to it. THAT is the political issue being worked.


Right now the only item that runs on the 1GB link is the SETI webserver and the BOINC webserver.

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Message 1215707 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 18:02:55 UTC - in response to Message 1215698.  

If they want us to bombard someone in the UC Berkeley Administration with letters and emails, they will let us know.


Unless, of course we have someone rich and famous that would like to bombard them with a million dollar donation. I'm sure then we could get all the bandwidth we wanted!


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Message 1215708 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 18:04:03 UTC - in response to Message 1215707.  

I like that idea :-)
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Message 1215723 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 18:22:47 UTC - in response to Message 1215711.  
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If they want us to bombard someone in the UC Berkeley Administration with letters and emails, they will let us know.


Unless, of course we have someone rich and famous that would like to bombard them with a million dollar donation. I'm sure then we could get all the bandwidth we wanted!


Are you telling us, that they can be bought for money? And here I was naively believing that corruption was viped out in the big U.S of A.


It's a democracy. It is governed by it's people.

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Message 1215757 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 19:17:19 UTC - in response to Message 1215728.  
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If they want us to bombard someone in the UC Berkeley Administration with letters and emails, they will let us know.


Unless, of course we have someone rich and famous that would like to bombard them with a million dollar donation. I'm sure then we could get all the bandwidth we wanted!


Are you telling us, that they can be bought for money? And here I was naively believing that corruption was viped out in the big U.S of A.


It's a democracy. It is governed by it's people.

//TRuEQ


Does that mean that you in a roundabout way are rudely telling us that the people of the U.S of A are corrupt?

PS. Do I really have to add an emoticon to everything I write?



I think that I am trying to tell that I will turn left the next turn in the roundabout. Yes, that I will do.
(Round and round we go).

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Message 1215891 - Posted: 9 Apr 2012, 0:17:07 UTC

Just for curiosity's sake, anyone out there have an idea of the cost associated with getting a Gbit connection?
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Message 1215985 - Posted: 9 Apr 2012, 4:09:56 UTC - in response to Message 1215728.  

[quote]If they want us to bombard someone in the UC Berkeley Administration with letters and emails, they will let us know.

Unless, of course we have someone rich and famous that would like to bombard them with a million dollar donation. I'm sure then we could get all the bandwidth we wanted!

Are you telling us, that they can be bought for money? And here I was naively believing that corruption was viped out in the big U.S of A.

It's a democracy. It is governed by it's people.

Uh huh. I suggest you study the Colbert Super PAC to learn how people are elected here these days. (But any further discussion of it should be moved to the Politics forum, which I don't read because it would probably p*ss me off.)

Does that mean that you in a roundabout way are rudely telling us that the people of the U.S of A are corrupt?

Just the ones with money.

There is a popular saying here: Money talks, bullsh*t walks.

However, in the case of the donation suggested above, it wouldn't be corruption because the money wouldn't go in anyone's pocket, it would go to the university. It's the same thing as Graham donating the money for the new servers and asking for them to be named for his parents, just on a bigger scale.

PS. Do I really have to add an emoticon to everything I write?

No. But we're kind of used to it from you. :-)
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Message 1215988 - Posted: 9 Apr 2012, 4:21:38 UTC - in response to Message 1215701.  

The 1GB link to the Space Sciences Lab has been in place since last year, but S@H has only limited access to it. THAT is the political issue being worked.

Right now the only item that runs on the 1GB link is the SETI webserver and the BOINC webserver.

That is true. There are two links running up the hill to SSL. One is gigabit, the other is 100mbit. The gigabit link has the webserver (what you're using to read this forum) and it is also where downloading BOINC itself comes from. The rest of SSL uses this gigabit link as well. Sending/receiving the 50gb tapes to/from off-site storage happens on this link during off-peak hours.

The 100mbit Hurricane Electronics link that we use for scheduler contact, upload and download is a gigabit link down on the campus, but there are two things that are keeping gigabit from reaching SSL for the HE link. The cable itself, and the routers at both ends, or at least down on the campus end.

Past estimates have been in the ~$80,000 range for ~2.5mi to have a new cable purchased and installed/buried, and then there's the cost of the equipment at both ends to handle the new link and bandwidth.

Since all of it is owned and controlled by Berkeley, the decision to spend that much money on it is entirely up to those who have control of the money. Even if they got enough donations to pay for it, there is still no guarantee that's what the money would be used for. I'm sure there are other areas of the fiscal budget that could use a little more funding, and that's where the donations would end up going.

Donations for the upgraded connection can't really be ear-marked for S@H since it isn't specifically for them. It is just simply campus infrastructure. If S@H ever moves out of SSL, or decides to close up shop, the space can be used by somebody else, and the gigabit link, too.
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