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jason_gee Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 7489 Credit: 91,093,184 RAC: 0 |
Will those work to fix this on the ATI client as well? I don't understand why half of my WUs run normally and half of them crap out. Worth a try. Looks like Something OS scheduling related has changed, so we may well be dealing with prioity issues all around. Fred's efMer Priority tool (v1.2) here Process lasso (Free & commercial versions I beleive "Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions. |
Claggy Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 4654 Credit: 47,537,079 RAC: 4 |
Will those work to fix this on the ATI client as well? I don't understand why half of my WUs run normally and half of them crap out. What do you mean crap out? Error out? or just low GPU load? Claggy |
jason_gee Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 7489 Credit: 91,093,184 RAC: 0 |
Again, these were all done with 1 cpu core free. Thanks, nothing obvious except the one running longer for no apparent reason. Wonder what the difference is between my machine, alpha testers & that machine. Well worth finding out. "Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions. |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14650 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Images all OK here too. John's most recent was http://62.131.164.180/seti/afterburner4.jpg - I don't know whether the IP address, rather than the more typical url-style, could have caused your problems? |
JLConawayII Send message Joined: 2 Apr 02 Posts: 188 Credit: 2,840,460 RAC: 0 |
Will those work to fix this on the ATI client as well? I don't understand why half of my WUs run normally and half of them crap out. It's doing the same thing as the CUDA clients, low utilization and dropouts. I linked some of the WU's above. I've since run some more, with the same results. A few go splat due to noise, about half run normally at 86-90% utilization and take a little over 3 minutes, and half show the same splotchy, terrible utilization as shown for those CUDA clients, and run several times longer than normal. At first I thought it was a VLAR issue, since I noticed it doing this on VLARS sent to my card, but now I see it's just doing it randomly on normal WUs too. these ran normally http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2373271874 http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2373271870 and these didn't http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2373271868 http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2373271862 |
S@NL - John van Gorsel Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 193 Credit: 139,673,078 RAC: 0 |
Thanks, My bad. My firewall was blocking everything from Turkey on eastward. Made some changes and you should be able to see the images now. I will try to boost cuda priorities tomorrow. If I remember correctly, Khangollo posted some info in a Linux related discussion about raising thread priorities in Linux so I will try the same with x41g on the Linux pc's |
jason_gee Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 7489 Credit: 91,093,184 RAC: 0 |
Images all OK here too. John's most recent was http://62.131.164.180/seti/afterburner4.jpg - I don't know whether the IP address, rather than the more typical url-style, could have caused your problems? I think so. Will have to investigate the cable later today. On the priority issue, playing with Fred's priority tool between regular below normal & normal does make a noticeable impact on GPU usage. Really wish I hadn't been pressured into dropping those priorities now, oh well, better put some command line options in the next build. "Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions. |
jason_gee Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 7489 Credit: 91,093,184 RAC: 0 |
Thanks, That's better! OK, yup, looks like priority to me. Fred's tool seems to be working for me, raising the x41 processes to 'normal'. I'll jimmy some options into the next build somehow Jason "Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions. |
Claggy Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 4654 Credit: 47,537,079 RAC: 4 |
Will those work to fix this on the ATI client as well? I don't understand why half of my WUs run normally and half of them crap out. There is a low ATI GPU usage Bug about, i have had it since Cat 10.5, ATI_HD5_ r374 and also on ATI AP apps since r521 all on my i7, But my E8500 when it had the HD5770 fitted didn't suffer from it, Don't know if it's a driver Bug, an app Bug, a Windows scheduler Bug or what, I suspect it's an app Bug since PrimeGrid's OpenCl app hasn't suffered this on my HD5770, If you suspend the task with low GPU usage, wait for it to exit, then resume you should get the GPU usage up again, Claggy |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14650 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Images all OK here too. John's most recent was http://62.131.164.180/seti/afterburner4.jpg - I don't know whether the IP address, rather than the more typical url-style, could have caused your problems? Don't forget that the priorities were dropped because some people want to use their computers for purposes other than BOINC, and have less than the latest and greatest hardware - then, screen lag and usability also matters. IIRC, you only raised the priority in the first place to ensure a level playing field in Beta testing with other players who were also gaming the priority arms race: x38g was also bounced from Beta into Release status at rather short notice. |
JLConawayII Send message Joined: 2 Apr 02 Posts: 188 Credit: 2,840,460 RAC: 0 |
Meh, if that's the case I'm not going to babysit the thing to fix a random bug that may or may not show up every 3 minutes. I guess I will stick with the CPU clients for now, and by the time I build a new Nvidia machine hopefully the issue there will no longer exist. |
jason_gee Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 7489 Credit: 91,093,184 RAC: 0 |
Images all OK here too. John's most recent was http://62.131.164.180/seti/afterburner4.jpg - I don't know whether the IP address, rather than the more typical url-style, could have caused your problems? All true. I have to stop short of asking the 'victims' here for lists of all the programs & services they run. If they want regular full GPU usage, then for now they'll have to either: - locate what's shoving the Cuda threads aside & stop the culprits, (e.g. BlackViper their systems) - use priority tools such as those posted, or - put up with erratic GPU usage I'm still reluctant to add complexity to the X series with command line options, considering that its main successes are attributable to its simplicity. I feel left with no choice at this point to offer the option to these guys... For example Victor was borderline abusive over the issue,. Well, we'll see how the best course reveals itself over the next week, as some GTX 680 related cosmetic fixes are incorporated also. Jason "Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions. |
S@NL - John van Gorsel Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 193 Credit: 139,673,078 RAC: 0 |
Don't forget that the priorities were dropped because some people want to use their computers for purposes other than BOINC, and have less than the latest and greatest hardware - then, screen lag and usability also matters. A minor addition to the v0.40 readme file can save a lot of dissapointment: "For the best performance without compromising usability it is advisable to leave one cpu thread free by setting the option On multiprocessor systems use at most 75% of the processors. (for quadcores that is..) Those who aim for the highest production should install a priority raising programme such as..." |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14650 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Images all OK here too. John's most recent was http://62.131.164.180/seti/afterburner4.jpg - I don't know whether the IP address, rather than the more typical url-style, could have caused your problems? Maybe - just brainstorming here - we ought to consider building something into the installer. We could have an option switch, or two versions, or ... whatever, let me sleep on it. But if there was a choice of "built for comfort" versus "built for speed" - would that help people? I haven't yet seen Victor's comments (although I've asked him for feedback), so I don't know exactly what the problem is. |
jason_gee Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 7489 Credit: 91,093,184 RAC: 0 |
/HUG Jason LoL, thanks, helps a lot :D ...Now everyone hold hands, lol. Well I think indeed sleeping on the problem is going to be the best idea. There are the mentioned workarounds of freeing cores & raising priorties, so we're not stuck yet :) Thanks all "Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions. |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14650 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Don't forget that the priorities were dropped because some people want to use their computers for purposes other than BOINC, and have less than the latest and greatest hardware - then, screen lag and usability also matters. At this point, you have to start thinking about who the installer (as opposed to the applications it contains) was designed for - and what sort of people run BOINC in the first place. Some figures. The new 0.40 installer has been downloaded 680 times since we launched it, less than 60 hours ago. The previous version 0.39, released at the end of November 2011, had been downloaded 5,300 times when we started on this one. Older versions, which were available for longer, were downloaded over 10,000 times. How many people have posted in this thread? Without counting, I'd guess at fewer than 20. What do the other 660 think? John, your thoughts are great, and we'll certainly consider them. But they are all geared towards increasing the GPU loading. What about people who want, or need, to reduce it for whatever reason? I, for example, choose to use only GPU apps at SETI: my CPUs are all busy on other BOINC projects. Fewer than a third of my total BOINC credits are shown alongside my name here. So, I would resist advice to reduce CPU usage to favour SETI. (Though I have no objection to information of that nature: IF you do this, the CONSEQUENCE might be... - or IF you want to achieve that, the techniques you could use INCLUDE the other.) We're going to need a lot of group hugs, and a lot of sleep, before we work out the answer to this one ;P |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65747 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
That is not true Jason, I sent the image file to You, If I was angry the text would have been in all caps, it was not, I did not mean or try to be anything I said, considering I am now running x38g, sure I'm a bit frustrated, but not abusive, nor angry. So quit this. And Yes I know who the guy who is making the Lunatics apps(x38g, x41g, x41u) is, It's You Jason a little birdie told Me... I can always post My PM here if You'd like, right out in the open. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
arkayn Send message Joined: 14 May 99 Posts: 4438 Credit: 55,006,323 RAC: 0 |
Add another 12 from my site as well, I think I was over 800 there on the previous version. |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14650 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
That is not true Jason, I sent the image file to You, If I was angry the text would have been in all caps, it was not, I did not mean or try to be anything I said, considering I am now running x38g, sure I'm a bit frustrated, but not abusive, nor angry. So quit this. And Yes I know who the guy who is making the Lunatics apps(x38g, x41g, x41u) is, It's You Jason a little birdie told Me... A little yellow birdie, was it? Yes, I don't think it's ever been an actual secret - just seemed easier to say so explicitly in the message I sent you with the versions to test. No need to institute a leak enquiry over that one. |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65747 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
That is not true Jason, I sent the image file to You, If I was angry the text would have been in all caps, it was not, I did not mean or try to be anything I said, considering I am now running x38g, sure I'm a bit frustrated, but not abusive, nor angry. So quit this. And Yes I know who the guy who is making the Lunatics apps(x38g, x41g, x41u) is, It's You Jason a little birdie told Me... Sorry I was just trying to keep You out of trouble, as I'd assume that a good number have x38g somewhere, even if their not running it. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
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