I thought this thread had died a reasonable death.......
Smartphones shall not ever contribute a significant amount to the project.
Ever.
They were not designed to be able to.
I suppose, you could get on escam and buy a few hundred decommissioned models, plug them all into a few hundred wall worts to keep them powered, and claim that you have achieved handheld crunching....
Go for it.
Silly discussion, in my opinion.

End of line.

Yeah I think the same way for the most part. I could see the combined influence it could achieve but I don't think it would ever be anything more than a "see if we can" project more than anything truly useful.

Other than a proof of concept, shall we now call this a dead issue?
And the thread locked?

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

....shall we now call this a dead issue?
And the thread locked?

Concur.

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Traveling through space at ~67,000mph!

No. it's still worth pursuing. You never know 'til you try. I believe it's possible to contribute. The real power will come not from the potential of one device but of the small contribution of many devices - which is in a way the essence of DC. Look at the amount of processing we were doing just a few years ago - RACs comparable or less than what the multicore phones can do now. It's inspiring & innovative.

If a phone is capable of running "Angry Birds" or similar apps without lagging then it should be capable of some productive crunching for some BOINC projects. It will probably not be worth the effort, but what happened to the spirit of adventure, of trying something new?

I own a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Wildfire, which is a low budget Android phone with only 384MB RAM, 512 MB onboard storage, 528 MHz CPU. The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Desire it's big brother from 2010 is much more capable, with 576 MB RAM, 512 MB storage, 1 GHz CPU, and a separate GPU. (Specs taken from Wikipedia).

My phone really lags when running more than a few apps at the same time (gave up on Angry Birds, too laggy), but I'm still running SETI on an AMD Athlon XP 2200+, and a Samsung Netbook. Both of these devices are low spec hardware in modern terms, but I still chose to run SETI and about 4 other BOINC projects regularly.

I people want to try something new, on low spec devices, I don't think they should be denied or derided for trying.

Oh, nobody's denying your want to TRY it.......
We just know you shall fail for all obvious reasons previously stated.

Look, you think you got a volkswagon, gonnaa change the world.
Great, you all start out at 25 mph.
There are a lot of you.
There is a brick wall 10 miles on out.
You race towards it.
Smoke and flames.

Get real.

It is NOT gonna happen.

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

Boinc on smartphones and ePads for crunching s@h may not be productive for the volume of computation results returned, but it all may well be worthwhile for generating inspiration and learning as a form of 'outreach' publicity and teaching.

However, there are other non-compute-intensive Boinc projects that may well directly benefit greatly for science and discovery, beyond just the 'outreach' aspect.


Keep searchin',
Martin

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Boinc on smartphones and ePads for crunching s@h may not be productive for the volume of computation results returned, but it all may well be worthwhile for generating inspiration and learning as a form of 'outreach' publicity and teaching.

However, there are other non-compute-intensive Boinc projects that may well directly benefit greatly for science and discovery, beyond just the 'outreach' aspect.


Keep searchin',
Martin

Given......carry on.

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

Boinc on smartphones and ePads for crunching s@h may not be productive for the volume of computation results returned, but it all may well be worthwhile for generating inspiration and learning as a form of 'outreach' publicity and teaching.

However, there are other non-compute-intensive Boinc projects that may well directly benefit greatly for science and discovery, beyond just the 'outreach' aspect.


Keep searchin',
Martin

Kinda like I mentioned I think a project that focuses on the phones sensors instead of crunching anything, would be a great use of smartphones!

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#resist

Oh, nobody's denying your want to TRY it.......
We just know you shall fail for all obvious reasons previously stated.

It's not a question of trying anymore, that's nothing that can fail for any reasons, BOINC actually works already on smartphones, see my posts above in this thread. And as you can see the performance is not that bad, it's comparable to a few years old CPU-only machine. Sure, not much compared to current high-end crunching rigs with multiple GPUs, but that's not what most people have staying around in their homes.

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Thanks for those links, Link. I see that smart phone is running about 80 RAC right now. That puts it about number 14,400 on the list of 28,500 active MW users (according to BOINCstats). To look at it another way, we would need to add 16,540 more of these phones to make a 1 % increase in the current MW daily RAC (again using today's numbers from BOINCstats). For what it is worth, my dual Pentium II machine does about 80 RAC a day with MW on CPU only, running 12 hours a day and equally sharing the CPUs with Einstein and Climate Prediction.

This is a start, but only a start. I would really like to know if this is just a smart phone running in somebody's pocket, or is it some Frankenphone spread all over a work bench with power supplies, cooling, etc. plugged it to it.

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Thanks for those links, Link. I see that smart phone is running about 80 RAC right now.

Well, the current RAC value is pretty much useless, it has not done any tasks in the last few days and probably never reached the possible maximum. According to the tasks, that it had in the list at the time when I posted it, the expected RAC (in case of running 24/7) would be around 310-330. And that was only using 1 of the available 2 CPU cores (whatever the reason was). So eventually up to 600 credits/day when using both cores.

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+ if you get a wattometer I'm sure that's a very favourable credit:watt ratio.

E.g my Dell GX60 + Fujitsu laptop are each about 400RAC:70W.

If you want to mess about with low power computing why don't you get a $30 Rasberry Pi? Rather than devote $500+ cellphone to crunching you can power one of those boards off a wall-wart, drawing a couple of watts, with no cooling issue etc.

http://www.raspberrypi.org/

Similar ARM CPU, runs Linux off a SD card, has USB, Ethernet, video out etc. It's a proper little PC.

Ian

TEMPTING!

ok, this is related to my smart phone which can be called a stupid phone atm because I got the AndroBOINC app (to connect to my client).
When i open it, I have to configure it to a new host, and I have no clue as to how to do that. I was wondering if anyone here knows what to do?

It is asking for Host Nickname, Address and password, using port #31416

Thanks!

If you want to mess about with low power computing why don't you get a $30 Rasberry Pi? Rather than devote $500+ cellphone to crunching you can power one of those boards off a wall-wart, drawing a couple of watts, with no cooling issue etc.

http://www.raspberrypi.org/

Similar ARM CPU, runs Linux off a SD card, has USB, Ethernet, video out etc. It's a proper little PC.

Ian

I would think the idea is to use old phones that you are no longer using or a current current phone while plugged in/charging. Instead of purchasing a dedicated ARM cruncher. Granted there are some that would do it just for the fun of setting up 50 of these little guys.

The processor on that looks to be about the same as what I have in my current phone. If I can ever get the Native-BOINC to run the apps they made for it on android it would be nice to compare the two.

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I never bought an ARM or Altera-Cyclone development board that I wanted to.

Installing Linux/Boinc on one however does sound fun... I better ask the wife.
*"Hunny can I buy..."*

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#resist

When i open it, I have to configure it to a new host, and I have no clue as to how to do that. I was wondering if anyone here knows what to do?

It is asking for Host Nickname, Address and password, using port #31416

I have posted your question in the Boinc Client for Android thread at Milkyway forum, since you (as many others) probably would have some difficulties to register in the BOINC@Poland forums due to the language for to aks that there.

BTW: not bad for a phone (HTC EVO 3D).

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IIRC MW does not use the FPU which is the reason for the relatively fast times. Seti is a completely different animal

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When i open it, I have to configure it to a new host, and I have no clue as to how to do that. I was wondering if anyone here knows what to do?

It is asking for Host Nickname, Address and password, using port #31416

I have posted your question in the Boinc Client for Android thread at Milkyway forum, since you (as many others) probably would have some difficulties to register in the BOINC@Poland forums due to the language for to aks that there.

BTW: not bad for a phone (HTC EVO 3D).

Thanks Link!