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Michael John Hind Send message Joined: 6 Feb 07 Posts: 1330 Credit: 3,632,028 RAC: 0 |
I'm beginning to wounder if we need to introduce community law. Where each community elects it's own elders to supervise and deal with various social problems arising within their adopted areas. If certain problems become unresolved here so the problem then gets referred to the state system for them to resolve. So lets take an example of troublesome teenagers, when they become a problem they get sent in front of the community elders. The elders dress them down regarding their unsocial behaviour and warn them of the repercussions if they come before them again regarding this same issue. In the event that someone re-offends and the elders refer them to the state system then at least the offender knows that it is the community who are sending them there. This would break the time aged traditional thoughts that if you break the law it's the state your offending against where in many cases it's actually individuals plus the community as a whole who are being offended against. The above is food for thought with plenty of clarity needed of course? |
Dr Imaginario Send message Joined: 10 Aug 11 Posts: 172 Credit: 22,735 RAC: 0 |
Some will thing I’m crazy, what is not far far from reality, but after I finished university or college for our American members I had to serve in the armed forces for 18 months. It got worse, because after my basic training I had to go to Bosnia, but now I can say that I’ve learned a lot a human being. During basic training I meet a lot of thugs, teenagers without a future or any vision, and I can say that after the service they learned a trade that fit them, and now they both also have civic values, but also they are hard workers in the trade they learned there. Conscription gave them the opportunities that they will not have if they stayed in their hood. They were already delinquents and they were going to became criminals. Somehow service forces them to have the discipline and gave them civic values. Maybe is stupid, and non democratic, but in my opinion when there is this gap of values in society, the only organization capable of filling it with values, liked discipline, respecting and hierarchy, and even teaching a good trade is the armed forces. Conscription was created to give civic values training to the common person, but it seems that the thugs, who made the riot, never had them. I’m in favor of having conscription all over again, because yes, it was a pain in the behind, but at the end you would learn things and you would meet people that you would remember for life. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Some will thing I’m crazy, what is not far far from reality, but after I finished university or college for our American members I had to serve in the armed forces for 18 months. Well said Doc. |
Michael John Hind Send message Joined: 6 Feb 07 Posts: 1330 Credit: 3,632,028 RAC: 0 |
Some will thing I’m crazy, what is not far far from reality, but after I finished university or college for our American members I had to serve in the armed forces for 18 months. Yup, me too here Sirius. We've been down this discussion road before. A lot of old balarney has been said about the evils of having the military sort you out if your the ill-disciplined type. Total rubbish for I know, I spent 20 years on MOD contract work fulfilling the role of a military man. I know how their system works, it works to make a success out of all who pass through their doors, so to speak. I worked on the technical side whilst I was with the MOD so know that 5 years conscription for young thugs, louts and the ferrule types along with military trade training will produce outstanding results. |
Dr Imaginario Send message Joined: 10 Aug 11 Posts: 172 Credit: 22,735 RAC: 0 |
This tugs, have no civic knowledge, they don’t give a shit about society or your fellow man, and I rather save a few than lost everyone. Because with conscription you can end with some professional tugs, with the current system all tugs/ delinquents, will became professional criminals after some time in prison. Because for this guys the question is not if they are going to prison, but when…. And once inside they just became professionals. Is like losing your virginity….. |
Michael John Hind Send message Joined: 6 Feb 07 Posts: 1330 Credit: 3,632,028 RAC: 0 |
Bringing back conscription would work for some, but not for not all. In some cases putting a young thug in the army will just produce a professional thug, and a trained killer. Good point Chris but I would go as far as to say that the Army would be excluded from this exercise where training louts in armed combat was involved. It would purely involve these types being trained in skills useful to mainstream industry. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Well for those that enjoy using knives & guns & constantly buck the laws of society, scoop them all up & give them free reign in their use in........ Basra, Helmand Province, Tripoli, Sirte.... If they return home, arrest for murder, if they don't...well we won't miss them! |
Michael John Hind Send message Joined: 6 Feb 07 Posts: 1330 Credit: 3,632,028 RAC: 0 |
Well for those that enjoy using knives & guns & constantly buck the laws of society, scoop them all up & give them free reign in their use in........ Sirius!!...your awful!!...Good job no one can here me laughing my socks off over that last comment above. And that might be because I'm in agreement here with you? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Think you got the wrong guy.....who's this Sirius you speak of? My name's Dick Emery......"Ooooh, you are awful...but I like you" |
John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
In the past UK generations, where respect for the law was generally accepted, I think this comes from the experience of wars. Up until our generation, the young people have been involved in a bloody war for each generation. Now we have not had a general war for 2 generations we have gotten the ferrel generation. It looks like there should be another general blood letting to pass on these bad experiences. All of which goes to show what a stupid animal humans are. Especially youngsters from the council estates and other ghettos. The problem seems to be that "they never learn from other's mistakes, and have to learn the hard way fro their own mistakes". It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Yep, quite agree John. Every so often, seals,foxes & other animals are culled - I'm not for/against - it just is (mankind's stupidity maybe?). Saying that up to 1945, there always seemed to be a major culling of the human race.... ....so as I see it, we're 41 years overdue another.....what a boost for the current world economy...... WWIV anyone? |
John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
My comment was not based on !it's time for another war/blood letting". After all this was the founding principle of the Atom, coal and steel area that morphed in to the Common Market, we joined, and now to the entity we call the EU. My comment is largely observational and how people behave after a disaster, like war. Just goes to show this "intelligent animal" is a mess and stupid at it's base. It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
....so as I see it, we're 41 years overdue another.....what a boost for the current world economy...... WWIV anyone? I guess you don't agree with the glazier's fallacy then? I wonder which "major culling" of the human race you're referring to in 1970. Not the genocide in Cambodia (1975 - 1979), nor the more recent (1994) one in Rwanda. Also unlikely is East Timor as again it's post 1970. As a model of the kind of governmental behavior we can all support, Indonesia's destruction by various means of between 1/6 and 1/3 of the native people of that small island, is just the kind of thing we need the UK government to employ with the feral families left to roam the High Street's of the once green and pleasant land. Right? I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Using an American military expression..they're all brushfire wars... I was referring to a World War...that is what the WW stands for you know..... |
Dr Imaginario Send message Joined: 10 Aug 11 Posts: 172 Credit: 22,735 RAC: 0 |
Probably WWIV is closer than we think. Europe and the US are declining in power, one of the reasons is because the population is getting older and older, and only growing due to immigration. Europe and Us are receiving a lot of immigrants that when they arrive, they do not integrate, they create their own hoods, their own shops, they only speak their native language, in a word they create their own ghetto. There are some examples in Germany with the Turkish community, In Belgium and France with the community from Argel. Then we look to those countries and we see massive unemployment, corruption and no future. Even with all the revolutions that occurred in the north of Africa, from Tunis to Cairo, nothing will change and hope will soon be dead. Then their eyes will turn again to Europe and the Us, the rich countries, the countries that explore them, the countries where right wing parties will also inflate hate against the minorities as they will get all the blame for the crisis that will get worse and worse. The pot is already in the oven, now is just a question of mixing the right ingredients and…. |
John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
Hee! Hee! If they won't pay, then we can have our pound of flesh. <rubs hands together, in a washing motion> It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Hee! Hee! Though "no jot of blood", right? Or do you wish to be known as more cruel than Shylock? I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Walk the plank. How quaint. Just as effective. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
I've got a better idea John. Lets bring out a mothballed aircraft carrier, round up all the rioters, feral kids, feral parents, travellers, and corrupt MP's. Then drop the lot off in the mid atlantic. ..then a very sneaky twit like me in a sub...torpedoes the buggers...what a lovely sight..sorry..run out of lifebelts....see ya all tomorrow..... |
Iona Send message Joined: 12 Jul 07 Posts: 790 Credit: 22,438,118 RAC: 0 |
I've been saving some of my observations for a while. Was any of it surprising, when: The Bankers got huge bonuses for what they did and were incompetent, using other peoples money. They still do and they still are. The MPs got caught fiddling their accounts and most were able to 'repay' what they 'mistakenly claimed' for. They got away with theft. The Government awards large contracts for trains, whilst forgetting the bit about 'social considerations' (ie, the effects of massive job losses in a locale) in the tendering process. They've not changed. The education system has been so 'dumbed-down' that a two-day-old chimp could get a GCSE pass and pupils are supposed to think thats something to be proud of. They do. The justice system favours the wealthy and in the case of footballers, the monied morons, too. They have it tough. The populace exists, solely to pay for the grandiose plans of the 'professional' politicians, so they can look good. They still think that. Every election, the politicians will lie, just to get your vote. They'll take you to Court for 'embellishing' your CV. The bureaucrats frequently make hugely expensive mistakes. They will still enjoy a healthy pension, as per the MPs and you will pay for the lot. Just that little lot, is not much of an example to set, is it? Don't take life too seriously, as you'll never come out of it alive! |
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