Prices they are going up I've heard on the news, Food is expected to go up by 2%-3% in price.

Driven by the increase in fuel costs. The increase in fuel costs is driven by more fuel usage, which is driven by a slightly improving economy. The increase in fuel prices is likely to be a drag on the improving economy. Yet another reason to start moving away from fossil fuel use.

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BOINC WIKI

...that was illuminating:))

Back when I was Younger kids were referred to as the Peanut Galley, There was no offense meant of course, But then most kids had no problems with PB&P back then either. The 2nd P in PB&P stands for Preserves, I like strawberry.

peanut gallery is an audience that heckles the performer. The term originated in the days of vaudeville as a nickname for the cheapest (and ostensibly rowdiest) seats in the theater; the least expensive snack served at the theater would often be peanuts, which the patrons would sometimes throw at the performers on stage to show their disapproval. The phrases "no comments from the peanut gallery" or "quiet in the peanut gallery" are extensions of the name.

In the late 1940s the Howdy Doody show adopted the name to represent their audience of 40 children.

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Prices they are going up I've heard on the news, Food is expected to go up by 2%-3% in price.

Driven by the increase in fuel costs. The increase in fuel costs is driven by more fuel usage, which is driven by a slightly improving economy. The increase in fuel prices is likely to be a drag on the improving economy. Yet another reason to start moving away from fossil fuel use.

We're trying and have been since about 1980, Now We have $5.5Bn to start HSR with, Offers from Japan(50%) and China(100%, Legal Questions) in varying amounts, Of course some in Congress are for the Status Quo(Speaker Boehner is anti Passenger Rail, He's from OHIO) and wants to defund Amtrak(heavily used I've heard out here, My relatives took Amtrak to LAX from Victorville CA and It was mostly full) and HSR, Among others, They grew the budget under Bush and didn't give a crap about any deficit, Yet now they want to spend more on bigger Military budgets while cutting anything else by decrying that the budget is tooooo big(hypocrites), Instead of less or at least stretching the New hardware out by buying less per year over a longer period of time, So that the same number of stuff gets bought.

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

Winning on empty.

Prices they are going up I've heard on the news, Food is expected to go up by 2%-3% in price.

Driven by the increase in fuel costs. The increase in fuel costs is driven by more fuel usage, which is driven by a slightly improving economy. The increase in fuel prices is likely to be a drag on the improving economy. Yet another reason to start moving away from fossil fuel use.

We're trying and have been since about 1980, Now We have $5.5Bn to start HSR with, Offers from Japan(50%) and China(100%, Legal Questions) in varying amounts, Of course some in Congress are for the Status Quo(Speaker Boehner is anti Passenger Rail, He's from OHIO) and wants to defund Amtrak(heavily used I've heard out here, My relatives took Amtrak to LAX from Victorville CA and It was mostly full) and HSR, Among others, They grew the budget under Bush and didn't give a crap about any deficit, Yet now they want to spend more on bigger Military budgets while cutting anything else by decrying that the budget is tooooo big(hypocrites), Instead of less or at least stretching the New hardware out by buying less per year over a longer period of time, So that the same number of stuff gets bought.

But the oil companies still get rather large subsidies in the form of tax breaks, but the alternative energy companies don't.

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BOINC WIKI

Prices they are going up I've heard on the news, Food is expected to go up by 2%-3% in price.

Driven by the increase in fuel costs. The increase in fuel costs is driven by more fuel usage, which is driven by a slightly improving economy. The increase in fuel prices is likely to be a drag on the improving economy. Yet another reason to start moving away from fossil fuel use.

We're trying and have been since about 1980, Now We have $5.5Bn to start HSR with, Offers from Japan(50%) and China(100%, Legal Questions) in varying amounts, Of course some in Congress are for the Status Quo(Speaker Boehner is anti Passenger Rail, He's from OHIO) and wants to defund Amtrak(heavily used I've heard out here, My relatives took Amtrak to LAX from Victorville CA and It was mostly full) and HSR, Among others, They grew the budget under Bush and didn't give a crap about any deficit, Yet now they want to spend more on bigger Military budgets while cutting anything else by decrying that the budget is tooooo big(hypocrites), Instead of less or at least stretching the New hardware out by buying less per year over a longer period of time, So that the same number of stuff gets bought.

But the oil companies still get rather large subsidies in the form of tax breaks, but the alternative energy companies don't.

Highways, Freeways also get a Big subsidy(profitable Hwys and/or Fwys? Nope, Not unless It's a Toll road.), Yet When one wants HSR construction funding the Nimbys say It must stand On It's own and generate a profit from day one(Highways/Freeways don't need to, Hypocrites), Americas Engineers say the USA gets a D Grade score for our infrastructure(South Korea, Japan, China, Taiwan & Europe all get an A Grade by comparison), SouthWest Airline wants to get out of the short haul route business and supports HSR as they barely break even and they know fuel costs aren't going down, Just up. So the US just isn't as competitive for a lot of things, Including tourists who don't want to rent a car and Who'd rather go by rail instead, So they go elsewhere.

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

Prices they are going up I've heard on the news, Food is expected to go up by 2%-3% in price.

Driven by the increase in fuel costs. The increase in fuel costs is driven by more fuel usage, which is driven by a slightly improving economy. The increase in fuel prices is likely to be a drag on the improving economy. Yet another reason to start moving away from fossil fuel use.

We're trying and have been since about 1980, Now We have $5.5Bn to start HSR with, Offers from Japan(50%) and China(100%, Legal Questions) in varying amounts, Of course some in Congress are for the Status Quo(Speaker Boehner is anti Passenger Rail, He's from OHIO) and wants to defund Amtrak(heavily used I've heard out here, My relatives took Amtrak to LAX from Victorville CA and It was mostly full) and HSR, Among others, They grew the budget under Bush and didn't give a crap about any deficit, Yet now they want to spend more on bigger Military budgets while cutting anything else by decrying that the budget is tooooo big(hypocrites), Instead of less or at least stretching the New hardware out by buying less per year over a longer period of time, So that the same number of stuff gets bought.

But the oil companies still get rather large subsidies in the form of tax breaks, but the alternative energy companies don't.

Highways, Freeways also get a Big subsidy(profitable Hwys and/or Fwys? Nope, Not unless It's a Toll road.), Yet When one wants HSR construction funding the Nimbys say It must stand On It's own and generate a profit from day one(Highways/Freeways don't need to, Hypocrites), Americas Engineers say the USA gets a D Grade score for our infrastructure(South Korea, Japan, China, Taiwan & Europe all get an A Grade by comparison), SouthWest Airline wants to get out of the short haul route business and supports HSR as they barely break even and they know fuel costs aren't going down, Just up. So the US just isn't as competitive for a lot of things, Including tourists who don't want to rent a car and Who'd rather go by rail instead, So they go elsewhere.

It takes me 2 days to drive to my parents house. It takes 3 days by rail (or $2000 for plane tickets).

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BOINC WIKI

Prices they are going up I've heard on the news, Food is expected to go up by 2%-3% in price.

Driven by the increase in fuel costs. The increase in fuel costs is driven by more fuel usage, which is driven by a slightly improving economy. The increase in fuel prices is likely to be a drag on the improving economy. Yet another reason to start moving away from fossil fuel use.

We're trying and have been since about 1980, Now We have $5.5Bn to start HSR with, Offers from Japan(50%) and China(100%, Legal Questions) in varying amounts, Of course some in Congress are for the Status Quo(Speaker Boehner is anti Passenger Rail, He's from OHIO) and wants to defund Amtrak(heavily used I've heard out here, My relatives took Amtrak to LAX from Victorville CA and It was mostly full) and HSR, Among others, They grew the budget under Bush and didn't give a crap about any deficit, Yet now they want to spend more on bigger Military budgets while cutting anything else by decrying that the budget is tooooo big(hypocrites), Instead of less or at least stretching the New hardware out by buying less per year over a longer period of time, So that the same number of stuff gets bought.

But the oil companies still get rather large subsidies in the form of tax breaks, but the alternative energy companies don't.

Highways, Freeways also get a Big subsidy(profitable Hwys and/or Fwys? Nope, Not unless It's a Toll road.), Yet When one wants HSR construction funding the Nimbys say It must stand On It's own and generate a profit from day one(Highways/Freeways don't need to, Hypocrites), Americas Engineers say the USA gets a D Grade score for our infrastructure(South Korea, Japan, China, Taiwan & Europe all get an A Grade by comparison), SouthWest Airline wants to get out of the short haul route business and supports HSR as they barely break even and they know fuel costs aren't going down, Just up. So the US just isn't as competitive for a lot of things, Including tourists who don't want to rent a car and Who'd rather go by rail instead, So they go elsewhere.

It takes me 2 days to drive to my parents house. It takes 3 days by rail (or $2000 for plane tickets).

How far away are Your parents from You John? It sounds like It's over 400 miles.

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

Prices they are going up I've heard on the news, Food is expected to go up by 2%-3% in price.

Driven by the increase in fuel costs. The increase in fuel costs is driven by more fuel usage, which is driven by a slightly improving economy. The increase in fuel prices is likely to be a drag on the improving economy. Yet another reason to start moving away from fossil fuel use.

We're trying and have been since about 1980, Now We have $5.5Bn to start HSR with, Offers from Japan(50%) and China(100%, Legal Questions) in varying amounts, Of course some in Congress are for the Status Quo(Speaker Boehner is anti Passenger Rail, He's from OHIO) and wants to defund Amtrak(heavily used I've heard out here, My relatives took Amtrak to LAX from Victorville CA and It was mostly full) and HSR, Among others, They grew the budget under Bush and didn't give a crap about any deficit, Yet now they want to spend more on bigger Military budgets while cutting anything else by decrying that the budget is tooooo big(hypocrites), Instead of less or at least stretching the New hardware out by buying less per year over a longer period of time, So that the same number of stuff gets bought.

But the oil companies still get rather large subsidies in the form of tax breaks, but the alternative energy companies don't.

Highways, Freeways also get a Big subsidy(profitable Hwys and/or Fwys? Nope, Not unless It's a Toll road.), Yet When one wants HSR construction funding the Nimbys say It must stand On It's own and generate a profit from day one(Highways/Freeways don't need to, Hypocrites), Americas Engineers say the USA gets a D Grade score for our infrastructure(South Korea, Japan, China, Taiwan & Europe all get an A Grade by comparison), SouthWest Airline wants to get out of the short haul route business and supports HSR as they barely break even and they know fuel costs aren't going down, Just up. So the US just isn't as competitive for a lot of things, Including tourists who don't want to rent a car and Who'd rather go by rail instead, So they go elsewhere.

It takes me 2 days to drive to my parents house. It takes 3 days by rail (or $2000 for plane tickets).

How far away are Your parents from You John? It sounds like It's over 400 miles.

Almost 4 * that.

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BOINC WIKI

Prices they are going up I've heard on the news, Food is expected to go up by 2%-3% in price.

Driven by the increase in fuel costs. The increase in fuel costs is driven by more fuel usage, which is driven by a slightly improving economy. The increase in fuel prices is likely to be a drag on the improving economy. Yet another reason to start moving away from fossil fuel use.

We're trying and have been since about 1980, Now We have $5.5Bn to start HSR with, Offers from Japan(50%) and China(100%, Legal Questions) in varying amounts, Of course some in Congress are for the Status Quo(Speaker Boehner is anti Passenger Rail, He's from OHIO) and wants to defund Amtrak(heavily used I've heard out here, My relatives took Amtrak to LAX from Victorville CA and It was mostly full) and HSR, Among others, They grew the budget under Bush and didn't give a crap about any deficit, Yet now they want to spend more on bigger Military budgets while cutting anything else by decrying that the budget is tooooo big(hypocrites), Instead of less or at least stretching the New hardware out by buying less per year over a longer period of time, So that the same number of stuff gets bought.

But the oil companies still get rather large subsidies in the form of tax breaks, but the alternative energy companies don't.

Highways, Freeways also get a Big subsidy(profitable Hwys and/or Fwys? Nope, Not unless It's a Toll road.), Yet When one wants HSR construction funding the Nimbys say It must stand On It's own and generate a profit from day one(Highways/Freeways don't need to, Hypocrites), Americas Engineers say the USA gets a D Grade score for our infrastructure(South Korea, Japan, China, Taiwan & Europe all get an A Grade by comparison), SouthWest Airline wants to get out of the short haul route business and supports HSR as they barely break even and they know fuel costs aren't going down, Just up. So the US just isn't as competitive for a lot of things, Including tourists who don't want to rent a car and Who'd rather go by rail instead, So they go elsewhere.

It takes me 2 days to drive to my parents house. It takes 3 days by rail (or $2000 for plane tickets).

How far away are Your parents from You John? It sounds like It's over 400 miles.

Almost 4 * that.

1600 miles? Gulp, If HSR were to take more than 7 hours for about 1600 miles, It depends on the terrain too, HSR could do It as sleeper service(China does this), Back in WWII and before the rails were banked on curves, Today their flat as the Freight Railroads want It that way, So Amtrak can't do more than 79Mph, except on Track that It owns, Which is almost non existent outside of the NEC.

The amount of miles where HSR starts driving airliners out of the sky is about 400-450 miles(or less), At least in countries like Spain, France, Germany, Japan, Taiwan and China, We just have to get the money together to build from SF to LA(the Initial mandated route is SF to LA(Damn the Nimbys, Full speed ahead), Sacramento and San Diego will come later on), So far one segment from just north of Fresno to just short of Bakersfield has enough Money for construction(design and other things too, EIR should be done in February of 2011), Of course the CHSRA has been short staffed for years and so they are under an ambitious deadline of somewhere in 2012.

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

winning before work.

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With each crime and every kindness we birth our future.

Sorry about that short win for you, Mike.

Prices they are going up I've heard on the news, Food is expected to go up by 2%-3% in price.

Driven by the increase in fuel costs. The increase in fuel costs is driven by more fuel usage, which is driven by a slightly improving economy. The increase in fuel prices is likely to be a drag on the improving economy. Yet another reason to start moving away from fossil fuel use.

We're trying and have been since about 1980, Now We have $5.5Bn to start HSR with, Offers from Japan(50%) and China(100%, Legal Questions) in varying amounts, Of course some in Congress are for the Status Quo(Speaker Boehner is anti Passenger Rail, He's from OHIO) and wants to defund Amtrak(heavily used I've heard out here, My relatives took Amtrak to LAX from Victorville CA and It was mostly full) and HSR, Among others, They grew the budget under Bush and didn't give a crap about any deficit, Yet now they want to spend more on bigger Military budgets while cutting anything else by decrying that the budget is tooooo big(hypocrites), Instead of less or at least stretching the New hardware out by buying less per year over a longer period of time, So that the same number of stuff gets bought.

But the oil companies still get rather large subsidies in the form of tax breaks, but the alternative energy companies don't.

Highways, Freeways also get a Big subsidy(profitable Hwys and/or Fwys? Nope, Not unless It's a Toll road.), Yet When one wants HSR construction funding the Nimbys say It must stand On It's own and generate a profit from day one(Highways/Freeways don't need to, Hypocrites), Americas Engineers say the USA gets a D Grade score for our infrastructure(South Korea, Japan, China, Taiwan & Europe all get an A Grade by comparison), SouthWest Airline wants to get out of the short haul route business and supports HSR as they barely break even and they know fuel costs aren't going down, Just up. So the US just isn't as competitive for a lot of things, Including tourists who don't want to rent a car and Who'd rather go by rail instead, So they go elsewhere.

It takes me 2 days to drive to my parents house. It takes 3 days by rail (or $2000 for plane tickets).

How far away are Your parents from You John? It sounds like It's over 400 miles.

Almost 4 * that.

1600 miles? Gulp, Yeah HSR could do It as sleeper service(China does this), Back in WWII and before the rails were banked on curves, Today their flat as the Freight Railroads want It that way, So Amtrak can't do more than 79Mph, except on Track that It owns, Which is almost non existent outside of the NEC.

The amount of miles where HSR starts driving airliners out of the sky is about 400-450 miles(or less), At least in countries like Spain, France, Germany, Japan, Taiwan and China, We just have to get the money together to build from SF to LA(the Initial mandated route is SF to LA(Damn the Nimbys, Full speed ahead), Sacramento and San Diego will come later on), So far one segment from just north of Fresno to just short of Bakersfield has enough Money for construction(design and other things too, EIR should be done in February of 2011), Of course the CHSRA has been short staffed for years and so they are under an ambitious deadline of somewhere in 2012.

Actually, it is slightly less than 1500 miles by road (and the last 50 miles are never going to be done by rail of any kind. The current passenger routes available probably run to almost double that with 8 to 10 hour layovers in two cities (and I have my choice of cities - DC and Chicago, New Orleans and Chicago, or New Orleans and Los Angeles, OR I can change at New Orleans and get off 400 miles or so from the destination and take a bus). I used high speed rail in Europe recently. 300KPh is nothing to sneeze at. If I had a fairly direct route, I could get there in 8 hours at that rate (OK, 10 to 12 with stops). There used to be trains that went in a reasonably direct route from here to there.

BTW, where did the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe not go?

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BOINC WIKI

Prices they are going up I've heard on the news, Food is expected to go up by 2%-3% in price.

Driven by the increase in fuel costs. The increase in fuel costs is driven by more fuel usage, which is driven by a slightly improving economy. The increase in fuel prices is likely to be a drag on the improving economy. Yet another reason to start moving away from fossil fuel use.

We're trying and have been since about 1980, Now We have $5.5Bn to start HSR with, Offers from Japan(50%) and China(100%, Legal Questions) in varying amounts, Of course some in Congress are for the Status Quo(Speaker Boehner is anti Passenger Rail, He's from OHIO) and wants to defund Amtrak(heavily used I've heard out here, My relatives took Amtrak to LAX from Victorville CA and It was mostly full) and HSR, Among others, They grew the budget under Bush and didn't give a crap about any deficit, Yet now they want to spend more on bigger Military budgets while cutting anything else by decrying that the budget is tooooo big(hypocrites), Instead of less or at least stretching the New hardware out by buying less per year over a longer period of time, So that the same number of stuff gets bought.

But the oil companies still get rather large subsidies in the form of tax breaks, but the alternative energy companies don't.

Highways, Freeways also get a Big subsidy(profitable Hwys and/or Fwys? Nope, Not unless It's a Toll road.), Yet When one wants HSR construction funding the Nimbys say It must stand On It's own and generate a profit from day one(Highways/Freeways don't need to, Hypocrites), Americas Engineers say the USA gets a D Grade score for our infrastructure(South Korea, Japan, China, Taiwan & Europe all get an A Grade by comparison), SouthWest Airline wants to get out of the short haul route business and supports HSR as they barely break even and they know fuel costs aren't going down, Just up. So the US just isn't as competitive for a lot of things, Including tourists who don't want to rent a car and Who'd rather go by rail instead, So they go elsewhere.

It takes me 2 days to drive to my parents house. It takes 3 days by rail (or $2000 for plane tickets).

How far away are Your parents from You John? It sounds like It's over 400 miles.

Almost 4 * that.

1600 miles? Gulp, Yeah HSR could do It as sleeper service(China does this), Back in WWII and before the rails were banked on curves, Today their flat as the Freight Railroads want It that way, So Amtrak can't do more than 79Mph, except on Track that It owns, Which is almost non existent outside of the NEC.

The amount of miles where HSR starts driving airliners out of the sky is about 400-450 miles(or less), At least in countries like Spain, France, Germany, Japan, Taiwan and China, We just have to get the money together to build from SF to LA(the Initial mandated route is SF to LA(Damn the Nimbys, Full speed ahead), Sacramento and San Diego will come later on), So far one segment from just north of Fresno to just short of Bakersfield has enough Money for construction(design and other things too, EIR should be done in February of 2011), Of course the CHSRA has been short staffed for years and so they are under an ambitious deadline of somewhere in 2012.

Actually, it is slightly less than 1500 miles by road (and the last 50 miles are never going to be done by rail of any kind. The current passenger routes available probably run to almost double that with 8 to 10 hour layovers in two cities (and I have my choice of cities - DC and Chicago, New Orleans and Chicago, or New Orleans and Los Angeles, OR I can change at New Orleans and get off 400 miles or so from the destination and take a bus). I used high speed rail in Europe recently. 300KPh is nothing to sneeze at. If I had a fairly direct route, I could get there in 8 hours at that rate (OK, 10 to 12 with stops). There used to be trains that went in a reasonably direct route from here to there.

BTW, where did the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe not go?

I don't know, I've not been on a passenger train once Myself, At least outside of the DSNLRR(Disneyland steam train, It's a real steam train), BNSF is at least Friendly to HSR, While UPRR isn't.

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

Sorry about that short win for you, Mike.

Hi Angela, Welcome to the S@H Railway ;), Sorry No Tunnels or Trenches, Local communities would have to pay for those from their own pocket.

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

Prices they are going up I've heard on the news, Food is expected to go up by 2%-3% in price.

Driven by the increase in fuel costs. The increase in fuel costs is driven by more fuel usage, which is driven by a slightly improving economy. The increase in fuel prices is likely to be a drag on the improving economy. Yet another reason to start moving away from fossil fuel use.

We're trying and have been since about 1980, Now We have $5.5Bn to start HSR with, Offers from Japan(50%) and China(100%, Legal Questions) in varying amounts, Of course some in Congress are for the Status Quo(Speaker Boehner is anti Passenger Rail, He's from OHIO) and wants to defund Amtrak(heavily used I've heard out here, My relatives took Amtrak to LAX from Victorville CA and It was mostly full) and HSR, Among others, They grew the budget under Bush and didn't give a crap about any deficit, Yet now they want to spend more on bigger Military budgets while cutting anything else by decrying that the budget is tooooo big(hypocrites), Instead of less or at least stretching the New hardware out by buying less per year over a longer period of time, So that the same number of stuff gets bought.

But the oil companies still get rather large subsidies in the form of tax breaks, but the alternative energy companies don't.

Highways, Freeways also get a Big subsidy(profitable Hwys and/or Fwys? Nope, Not unless It's a Toll road.), Yet When one wants HSR construction funding the Nimbys say It must stand On It's own and generate a profit from day one(Highways/Freeways don't need to, Hypocrites), Americas Engineers say the USA gets a D Grade score for our infrastructure(South Korea, Japan, China, Taiwan & Europe all get an A Grade by comparison), SouthWest Airline wants to get out of the short haul route business and supports HSR as they barely break even and they know fuel costs aren't going down, Just up. So the US just isn't as competitive for a lot of things, Including tourists who don't want to rent a car and Who'd rather go by rail instead, So they go elsewhere.

It takes me 2 days to drive to my parents house. It takes 3 days by rail (or $2000 for plane tickets).

How far away are Your parents from You John? It sounds like It's over 400 miles.

Almost 4 * that.

1600 miles? Gulp, Yeah HSR could do It as sleeper service(China does this), Back in WWII and before the rails were banked on curves, Today their flat as the Freight Railroads want It that way, So Amtrak can't do more than 79Mph, except on Track that It owns, Which is almost non existent outside of the NEC.

The amount of miles where HSR starts driving airliners out of the sky is about 400-450 miles(or less), At least in countries like Spain, France, Germany, Japan, Taiwan and China, We just have to get the money together to build from SF to LA(the Initial mandated route is SF to LA(Damn the Nimbys, Full speed ahead), Sacramento and San Diego will come later on), So far one segment from just north of Fresno to just short of Bakersfield has enough Money for construction(design and other things too, EIR should be done in February of 2011), Of course the CHSRA has been short staffed for years and so they are under an ambitious deadline of somewhere in 2012.

Actually, it is slightly less than 1500 miles by road (and the last 50 miles are never going to be done by rail of any kind. The current passenger routes available probably run to almost double that with 8 to 10 hour layovers in two cities (and I have my choice of cities - DC and Chicago, New Orleans and Chicago, or New Orleans and Los Angeles, OR I can change at New Orleans and get off 400 miles or so from the destination and take a bus). I used high speed rail in Europe recently. 300KPh is nothing to sneeze at. If I had a fairly direct route, I could get there in 8 hours at that rate (OK, 10 to 12 with stops). There used to be trains that went in a reasonably direct route from here to there.

BTW, where did the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe not go?

I don't know, I've not been on a passenger train once Myself, At least outside of the DSNLRR(Disneyland steam train, It's a real steam train), BNSF is at least Friendly to HSR, While UPRR isn't.

It did not go to Santa Fe, and it did not make to one of the other two on the list as well, I believe it was Atchison that did not have a station, but I am not certain. The closest that AT&SF got to Santa Fe was about 20 miles away at the small town of Lamy.

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BOINC WIKI

Prices they are going up I've heard on the news, Food is expected to go up by 2%-3% in price.

Driven by the increase in fuel costs. The increase in fuel costs is driven by more fuel usage, which is driven by a slightly improving economy. The increase in fuel prices is likely to be a drag on the improving economy. Yet another reason to start moving away from fossil fuel use.

We're trying and have been since about 1980, Now We have $5.5Bn to start HSR with, Offers from Japan(50%) and China(100%, Legal Questions) in varying amounts, Of course some in Congress are for the Status Quo(Speaker Boehner is anti Passenger Rail, He's from OHIO) and wants to defund Amtrak(heavily used I've heard out here, My relatives took Amtrak to LAX from Victorville CA and It was mostly full) and HSR, Among others, They grew the budget under Bush and didn't give a crap about any deficit, Yet now they want to spend more on bigger Military budgets while cutting anything else by decrying that the budget is tooooo big(hypocrites), Instead of less or at least stretching the New hardware out by buying less per year over a longer period of time, So that the same number of stuff gets bought.

But the oil companies still get rather large subsidies in the form of tax breaks, but the alternative energy companies don't.

Highways, Freeways also get a Big subsidy(profitable Hwys and/or Fwys? Nope, Not unless It's a Toll road.), Yet When one wants HSR construction funding the Nimbys say It must stand On It's own and generate a profit from day one(Highways/Freeways don't need to, Hypocrites), Americas Engineers say the USA gets a D Grade score for our infrastructure(South Korea, Japan, China, Taiwan & Europe all get an A Grade by comparison), SouthWest Airline wants to get out of the short haul route business and supports HSR as they barely break even and they know fuel costs aren't going down, Just up. So the US just isn't as competitive for a lot of things, Including tourists who don't want to rent a car and Who'd rather go by rail instead, So they go elsewhere.

It takes me 2 days to drive to my parents house. It takes 3 days by rail (or $2000 for plane tickets).

How far away are Your parents from You John? It sounds like It's over 400 miles.

Almost 4 * that.

1600 miles? Gulp, Yeah HSR could do It as sleeper service(China does this), Back in WWII and before the rails were banked on curves, Today their flat as the Freight Railroads want It that way, So Amtrak can't do more than 79Mph, except on Track that It owns, Which is almost non existent outside of the NEC.

The amount of miles where HSR starts driving airliners out of the sky is about 400-450 miles(or less), At least in countries like Spain, France, Germany, Japan, Taiwan and China, We just have to get the money together to build from SF to LA(the Initial mandated route is SF to LA(Damn the Nimbys, Full speed ahead), Sacramento and San Diego will come later on), So far one segment from just north of Fresno to just short of Bakersfield has enough Money for construction(design and other things too, EIR should be done in February of 2011), Of course the CHSRA has been short staffed for years and so they are under an ambitious deadline of somewhere in 2012.

Actually, it is slightly less than 1500 miles by road (and the last 50 miles are never going to be done by rail of any kind. The current passenger routes available probably run to almost double that with 8 to 10 hour layovers in two cities (and I have my choice of cities - DC and Chicago, New Orleans and Chicago, or New Orleans and Los Angeles, OR I can change at New Orleans and get off 400 miles or so from the destination and take a bus). I used high speed rail in Europe recently. 300KPh is nothing to sneeze at. If I had a fairly direct route, I could get there in 8 hours at that rate (OK, 10 to 12 with stops). There used to be trains that went in a reasonably direct route from here to there.

BTW, where did the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe not go?

I don't know, I've not been on a passenger train once Myself, At least outside of the DSNLRR(Disneyland steam train, It's a real steam train), BNSF is at least Friendly to HSR, While UPRR isn't.

It did not go to Santa Fe, and it did not make to one of the other two on the list as well, I believe it was Atchison that did not have a station, but I am not certain. The closest that AT&SF got to Santa Fe was about 20 miles away at the small town of Lamy.

Oh, Ok, Like I said I've never ridden aboard one and so I don't much about the history of this line or that, I'd have to look It up in the wiki.

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

Prices they are going up I've heard on the news, Food is expected to go up by 2%-3% in price.

Driven by the increase in fuel costs. The increase in fuel costs is driven by more fuel usage, which is driven by a slightly improving economy. The increase in fuel prices is likely to be a drag on the improving economy. Yet another reason to start moving away from fossil fuel use.

We're trying and have been since about 1980, Now We have $5.5Bn to start HSR with, Offers from Japan(50%) and China(100%, Legal Questions) in varying amounts, Of course some in Congress are for the Status Quo(Speaker Boehner is anti Passenger Rail, He's from OHIO) and wants to defund Amtrak(heavily used I've heard out here, My relatives took Amtrak to LAX from Victorville CA and It was mostly full) and HSR, Among others, They grew the budget under Bush and didn't give a crap about any deficit, Yet now they want to spend more on bigger Military budgets while cutting anything else by decrying that the budget is tooooo big(hypocrites), Instead of less or at least stretching the New hardware out by buying less per year over a longer period of time, So that the same number of stuff gets bought.

But the oil companies still get rather large subsidies in the form of tax breaks, but the alternative energy companies don't.

Highways, Freeways also get a Big subsidy(profitable Hwys and/or Fwys? Nope, Not unless It's a Toll road.), Yet When one wants HSR construction funding the Nimbys say It must stand On It's own and generate a profit from day one(Highways/Freeways don't need to, Hypocrites), Americas Engineers say the USA gets a D Grade score for our infrastructure(South Korea, Japan, China, Taiwan & Europe all get an A Grade by comparison), SouthWest Airline wants to get out of the short haul route business and supports HSR as they barely break even and they know fuel costs aren't going down, Just up. So the US just isn't as competitive for a lot of things, Including tourists who don't want to rent a car and Who'd rather go by rail instead, So they go elsewhere.

It takes me 2 days to drive to my parents house. It takes 3 days by rail (or $2000 for plane tickets).

How far away are Your parents from You John? It sounds like It's over 400 miles.

Almost 4 * that.

1600 miles? Gulp, Yeah HSR could do It as sleeper service(China does this), Back in WWII and before the rails were banked on curves, Today their flat as the Freight Railroads want It that way, So Amtrak can't do more than 79Mph, except on Track that It owns, Which is almost non existent outside of the NEC.

The amount of miles where HSR starts driving airliners out of the sky is about 400-450 miles(or less), At least in countries like Spain, France, Germany, Japan, Taiwan and China, We just have to get the money together to build from SF to LA(the Initial mandated route is SF to LA(Damn the Nimbys, Full speed ahead), Sacramento and San Diego will come later on), So far one segment from just north of Fresno to just short of Bakersfield has enough Money for construction(design and other things too, EIR should be done in February of 2011), Of course the CHSRA has been short staffed for years and so they are under an ambitious deadline of somewhere in 2012.

Actually, it is slightly less than 1500 miles by road (and the last 50 miles are never going to be done by rail of any kind. The current passenger routes available probably run to almost double that with 8 to 10 hour layovers in two cities (and I have my choice of cities - DC and Chicago, New Orleans and Chicago, or New Orleans and Los Angeles, OR I can change at New Orleans and get off 400 miles or so from the destination and take a bus). I used high speed rail in Europe recently. 300KPh is nothing to sneeze at. If I had a fairly direct route, I could get there in 8 hours at that rate (OK, 10 to 12 with stops). There used to be trains that went in a reasonably direct route from here to there.

BTW, where did the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe not go?

I don't know, I've not been on a passenger train once Myself, At least outside of the DSNLRR(Disneyland steam train, It's a real steam train), BNSF is at least Friendly to HSR, While UPRR isn't.

It did not go to Santa Fe, and it did not make to one of the other two on the list as well, I believe it was Atchison that did not have a station, but I am not certain. The closest that AT&SF got to Santa Fe was about 20 miles away at the small town of Lamy.

Oh, Ok, Like I said I've never ridden aboard one and so I don't much about the history of this line or that, I'd have to look It up in the wiki.

I actually took the AT&SF Super Chief a couple of times when I was small. My parents would put me on the train in Lamy, and my Grand Parents would take me off the train in Kansas City. And similarly for the return trip.

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BOINC WIKI

Just popping in for a quick win before bed.

...that was illuminating:))

Back when I was Younger kids were referred to as the Peanut Galley, There was no offense meant of course, But then most kids had no problems with PB&P back then either. The 2nd P in PB&P stands for Preserves, I like strawberry.

peanut gallery is an audience that heckles the performer. The term originated in the days of vaudeville as a nickname for the cheapest (and ostensibly rowdiest) seats in the theater; the least expensive snack served at the theater would often be peanuts, which the patrons would sometimes throw at the performers on stage to show their disapproval. The phrases "no comments from the peanut gallery" or "quiet in the peanut gallery" are extensions of the name.

In the late 1940s the Howdy Doody show adopted the name to represent their audience of 40 children.

As I recall, the term actually originated in Shakespeare's Old Globe Theatre, rather than 1920s & 30s vaudeville, but the rest of the description fits my recollection.

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Donald
Infernal Optimist / Submariner, retired

I actually took the AT&SF Super Chief a couple of times when I was small. My parents would put me on the train in Lamy, and my Grand Parents would take me off the train in Kansas City. And similarly for the return trip.

One December our family took the train back to Milwaukee for Christmas. California Zepher from Stockton to Chicago, Vista-Dome cars through the Feather River canyon, across the Sierras through Reno to Salt Lake City, over the Rockies to Denver, beautiful trip. Coming back, we took the Santa Fe Chief along the southern route to L.A, then the San Joaquin Daylight to Hanford. If I had the time, I would do all my traveling by train. That would be a real win.

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Donald
Infernal Optimist / Submariner, retired