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Message 999585 - Posted: 29 May 2010, 22:45:21 UTC

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Message 999589 - Posted: 29 May 2010, 22:58:56 UTC

this morning i noticed that the nearby BP station had the lowest gas price.
i wonder if that could be "currying favor"



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Message 999591 - Posted: 29 May 2010, 23:04:56 UTC - in response to Message 999589.  

this morning i noticed that the nearby BP station had the lowest gas price.
i wonder if that could be "currying favor"



I imagine the local BP stations are in a tough spot although i would say most of them are not directly operated by BP...Since a gas station is too big to lay low that a lower price for BP stations is a wise move considering what has happened...

I do hope that their engineers and experts come up with a plan that works...

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Message 999594 - Posted: 29 May 2010, 23:08:33 UTC

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Message 999598 - Posted: 29 May 2010, 23:19:16 UTC

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Message 999687 - Posted: 31 May 2010, 12:21:21 UTC

Not to belittle the problems in the Gulf, but ...

Remember the good old days, when everyone complained that the Alberta oil sands MIGHT be an environmental problem some day?

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Message 999716 - Posted: 31 May 2010, 15:03:24 UTC - in response to Message 999598.  

Oil reaches Louisiana shores (Several images)


OMG! Those pics really show the scale of the disaster :(
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Message 999839 - Posted: 2 Jun 2010, 2:38:27 UTC

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Message 999883 - Posted: 2 Jun 2010, 6:53:35 UTC - in response to Message 999839.  

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37444105/ns/gulf_oil_spill/?GT1=43001

about time!


Totally agree. If short cuts were taken to save money, let them pay.

On a negative note.... "Let them pay" really = "let the Brits pay" as according to the News last night a large number of pension pots are tied in to the value of companies like BP, so while their shares are slumping those approaching pension will suffer. Cruel world...
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Message 999890 - Posted: 2 Jun 2010, 7:59:30 UTC - in response to Message 999883.  

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37444105/ns/gulf_oil_spill/?GT1=43001

about time!


Totally agree. If short cuts were taken to save money, let them pay.

On a negative note.... "Let them pay" really = "let the Brits pay" as according to the News last night a large number of pension pots are tied in to the value of companies like BP, so while their shares are slumping those approaching pension will suffer. Cruel world...

If BP does pay, It might come out of this years profits, maybe, Which I read on CNN were around $230 Billion, Hopefully that wouldn't hurt the pensioners(Of course no one has said where the money is coming from to do the cleanup work). Now there are reports of cleanup workers getting flu like symptoms while doing work in the gulf cause BP was supposed to give out protective gear and then didn't, The symptoms vanished when some people went to Florida where there is so far no oil, So far, Now BP claims It's food poisoning, I mean these people know how to preserve food as that's what they do for a living and unloading their catch(fish, clams, shrimp, etc), So food poisoning? Yeah right I don't believe that BP BS for one minute.
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Message 999911 - Posted: 2 Jun 2010, 10:36:56 UTC

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Message 999917 - Posted: 2 Jun 2010, 11:11:07 UTC

It's a black smoker...i swear!!!!
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Message 999936 - Posted: 2 Jun 2010, 12:41:39 UTC
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Of course there are other ways. We can attack middle east countries on the false pretense of Weapons of Mass Destruction, but then we can change the approach to Liberating certain countries of dictators.

Whatever fits our needs at the time. We can give it a label. Of course there are other ways. But it always involves the US exerting its military might. Iraq, Kuwait. Where the Fbomb can i get my cheap oil if the right goverenment is in place?
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Message 1000033 - Posted: 2 Jun 2010, 16:23:41 UTC - in response to Message 999911.  

Live video from the ROV at the well head.

http://mfile.akamai.com/97892/live/reflector:46245.asx?bkup=46260

thanks Paul that's a terrible site :(
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Message 1000762 - Posted: 5 Jun 2010, 0:05:43 UTC

We could seal it with a nuclear detonation, but I have this terrible scenario in the back of my mind where the detonation fractures the sea floor and releases the entire oil deposit into the ocean. The success of this solution is dependant on the geology of the area, so there may be a good reason they haven't considered it.

Aside from that, each of the things they've already attempted might have worked with some modifications. I do hope they get it fixed soon, I really would prefer not to see a bunch of oil on my beach out here on the east coast of FL.
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Message 1000818 - Posted: 5 Jun 2010, 3:47:11 UTC
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You do know that this all came down to greed, don't you?

BP thought that by forcing the issue, they could get on to drilling yet another well.

They forced the drillers to advance their schedule.......and there were already documented problems.

I say hang 'em high........by the balls..in plain sight.
On satellite and every steaming network.

BP execs. THEY made the decisions that led to this disaster......and yet WE will all pay for it.

At least let us see them hang.
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Message 1000827 - Posted: 5 Jun 2010, 5:12:00 UTC - in response to Message 1000762.  

We could seal it with a nuclear detonation, but I have this terrible scenario in the back of my mind where the detonation fractures the sea floor and releases the entire oil deposit into the ocean. The success of this solution is dependant on the geology of the area, so there may be a good reason they haven't considered it.

Aside from that, each of the things they've already attempted might have worked with some modifications. I do hope they get it fixed soon, I really would prefer not to see a bunch of oil on my beach out here on the east coast of FL.


The well had to go some 13,000 feet below the sea floor to reach the oil.

The cratering ability of explosives including nukes is amazingly shallow in air at least. I have read some data and is it maybe proportional to the cube root of the yield.

At a 5000ft sea floor depth the water pressure is on the order of 2000 psi as opposed to only 14.7 psi in the air so it would be expected to be much less.

There is no credible risk of making it a worse leak.

The problem as I see it is if it is attempted and does not work then there is no thing else that can be done but more nukes as the access to the leak is completely destroyed.

But the way that is known to work because it has worked in the past is relief wells which should shut it off some time in August.

This is what we call an industrial accident. People died. There are criminal laws which can be applied if in fact it was criminal negligence. You know what pisses me off? Everyone focusing on the leak and not the dead. If there was criminal negligence and Lousiana has the jurisdiction and the obligation and the power to investigate and to call in the FBI for assisstence if needed, then all the civil liability will follow. But if the state cannot make a case over the deaths then there are unforeseen and unforeseeable things happening every minute of every day. Some of them have more consequences than others.

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Message 1000989 - Posted: 5 Jun 2010, 16:59:42 UTC - in response to Message 1000827.  

We could seal it with a nuclear detonation, but I have this terrible scenario in the back of my mind where the detonation fractures the sea floor and releases the entire oil deposit into the ocean. The success of this solution is dependant on the geology of the area, so there may be a good reason they haven't considered it.

Aside from that, each of the things they've already attempted might have worked with some modifications. I do hope they get it fixed soon, I really would prefer not to see a bunch of oil on my beach out here on the east coast of FL.


The well had to go some 13,000 feet below the sea floor to reach the oil.

The cratering ability of explosives including nukes is amazingly shallow in air at least. I have read some data and is it maybe proportional to the cube root of the yield.

At a 5000ft sea floor depth the water pressure is on the order of 2000 psi as opposed to only 14.7 psi in the air so it would be expected to be much less.

There is no credible risk of making it a worse leak.

The problem as I see it is if it is attempted and does not work then there is no thing else that can be done but more nukes as the access to the leak is completely destroyed.

But the way that is known to work because it has worked in the past is relief wells which should shut it off some time in August.

This is what we call an industrial accident. People died. There are criminal laws which can be applied if in fact it was criminal negligence. You know what pisses me off? Everyone focusing on the leak and not the dead. If there was criminal negligence and Lousiana has the jurisdiction and the obligation and the power to investigate and to call in the FBI for assisstence if needed, then all the civil liability will follow. But if the state cannot make a case over the deaths then there are unforeseen and unforeseeable things happening every minute of every day. Some of them have more consequences than others.

Give it time.........the lawyers are just gathering their forces.

The lawsuits are just now beginning to arise.

They will not end until twenty years or maybe more after the well has been sealed. Trust me on this.

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Message 1001959 - Posted: 9 Jun 2010, 1:17:08 UTC

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Message 1002081 - Posted: 9 Jun 2010, 10:26:06 UTC - in response to Message 1001959.  

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37574169/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets

interesting to see the money spin things


True but in the last week or so the imputed costs of this oil spill exceeded the actual costs of the volcano ash over Europe a few months ago. Hysteria ruled and still rules even though it is still imputed as opposed to actual.

And the imputed losses exclusive of intangibles like pelicans and sea turtles is in terms of lost revenue from vacationers. BP has assumed liability for clean up costs. We still have no idea how bad that will be as it is only projections from cancellations and before low price offers start making up for the difference. The secret is in Florida, summer is the low price season. The second reason is the most threatened coast is the west which is only about 1/3 of vacationers against Orlando in the summer when school is out and the east coast.

On the other hand, given how much coverage the news is giving this for so long it can be considered a bonanza on the order of the OJ trial for the TV news. That is a net gain to be balanced against losses.

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