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Message 924486 - Posted: 8 Aug 2009, 3:09:53 UTC
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Hmmmmmmm.....

Not all been good here.....

Bought a GTX285 and then a GTX295 to let the kitties sniff a some Cuda tail......

Not good things.......could not get anything near the current drivers to work. 182.50 was the best I could do, and so the new dll's are trash to me.
EVGA is working on it, so they would have me believe, but no answers there yet.

Lost 2 PSU's in the last two weeks......the heat of the summer, I suppose........and they were getting long in the tooth.

Found a good bargain on Tiger, if anybody is interested....usually I buy on Newegg......
But they got a good deal right now on a 750w Silencer that is too good to be true.........a C note will buy you a 750w PSU that is world class.........best you can get......and they did not even charge for shipping.......Newegg was at $129.00, Tiger at $119.00........very unusual.

And I bought 3 at $99.00 yesterday.....
Best PSU deal around still.......
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Message 924488 - Posted: 8 Aug 2009, 3:36:39 UTC - in response to Message 924486.  

are both in the same case? the 285 and 295?
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Message 924492 - Posted: 8 Aug 2009, 3:44:39 UTC - in response to Message 924488.  

are both in the same case? the 285 and 295?

No.......
Took out the 285 because I could not get it to work correctly.......
Launched the 295 hoping it would get by the driver problems.

Did not work out.........I tried every install/uninstall trick in the book.

This will work out soon or EVGA might have a PR problem on their hands........
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Message 924493 - Posted: 8 Aug 2009, 3:51:11 UTC - in response to Message 924492.  

XP? SP2?

if you could, updating to sp3 for xp would help with the driver situation.. and if both cards are from evga(which doesn't surprise me) then it's probably a manufacturing problem.

i've got a bfg card and had no problems with it.

i do use the evga precision to control the fan... have it set to 70% on boot..
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Message 924500 - Posted: 8 Aug 2009, 4:17:36 UTC - in response to Message 924493.  

According to Mark's account, the machine he installed the CUDA cards in is using Windows XP x64 SP2 - of which there is no SP3 out yet.
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Message 924504 - Posted: 8 Aug 2009, 4:25:32 UTC - in response to Message 924500.  
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According to Mark's account, the machine he installed the CUDA cards in is using Windows XP x64 SP2 - of which there is no SP3 out yet.

Not according to update.........

I am up to date with my auto-screwing...........
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Message 924511 - Posted: 8 Aug 2009, 4:46:40 UTC

@Mark, just a long shot thought here. Checking the vid card properties/resources via device manager, does it have an IRQ allocated? (And without conflicts/sharing?) This would be the kind of thing you might have turned off in BIOS no?

The newer drivers make more use of asynchronous transfers, which use DMA controllers, which in turn signal completion of transfers using interrupts. From prior descriptions, That mechanism sounds like it might be disabled.


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Message 924512 - Posted: 8 Aug 2009, 4:47:12 UTC - in response to Message 924504.  

According to Mark's account, the machine he installed the CUDA cards in is using Windows XP x64 SP2 - of which there is no SP3 out yet.

Not according to update.........

I am up to date with my auto-screwing...........


Windows Update shows SP3 available for all flavors of XP, but in fact the SP3 listed is not for x64 and won't install.
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Message 924513 - Posted: 8 Aug 2009, 4:53:21 UTC

I thought they did not update x64 to sp3..........

Anyway.......this is all bs..........should be able to run the newest drivers.....

Have been going back and forth with EVGA for a couple of weeks now.......


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Message 924526 - Posted: 8 Aug 2009, 6:47:39 UTC - in response to Message 924513.  
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I thought they did not update x64 to sp3..........

Anyway.......this is all bs..........should be able to run the newest drivers.....

Have been going back and forth with EVGA for a couple of weeks now.......


Question Mark, Since I run a BFG GTX295, What's the size of the psu You are using with the 295? I was told by BFG tech support that for two 295 cards 24A minimum on each +12v rail is required and since I have a 2nd pci-e slot I use a 1050w Enermax Revolution 85+ psu(30A on each +12v rail), They said 1000w was the required minimum amount of power for two of the cards, I'd imagine the 285 has power requirements similar to the 295 only somewhat lower, How much I don't know.
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Message 924560 - Posted: 8 Aug 2009, 9:10:55 UTC - in response to Message 924526.  
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I thought they did not update x64 to sp3..........

Anyway.......this is all bs..........should be able to run the newest drivers.....

Have been going back and forth with EVGA for a couple of weeks now.......


Question Mark, Since I run a BFG GTX295, What's the size of the psu You are using with the 295? I was told by BFG tech support that for two 295 cards 24A minimum on each +12v rail is required and since I have a 2nd pci-e slot I use a 1050w Enermax Revolution 85+ psu(30A on each +12v rail), They said 1000w was the required minimum amount of power for two of the cards, I'd imagine the 285 has power requirements similar to the 295 only somewhat lower, How much I don't know.

I cut through the crap a long time ago and only run PC Power and Cooling PSU's.......single 12v rails.......

I bought a 910w unit for the rig I am experimenting with the Cuda on......
I have seen peaks on the killawatt of over 710w.......so don't tread lightly on the PSU........I thought a 750w was enough.

I have had two PSUs crap out on me over the last week......they getting to be a number of years old, and are succumbing to kitty hair, I think.

'S OK......the new ones create far less heat in wasted energy.

PC Power and Cooling makes the best PSUs by far.
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Message 924563 - Posted: 8 Aug 2009, 9:34:00 UTC

Lightning strike...........my screen is all green now.......

Where are the fish?????? Not looking good right now........

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Message 924566 - Posted: 8 Aug 2009, 9:59:19 UTC

Oh, crap..........

Lost a cruncher.............won't start back up.............dead in the water.\\\
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Message 924570 - Posted: 8 Aug 2009, 10:26:59 UTC
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Two EVGA GTX260-216 since February.. two more since May..
From manufacturer OCed!
All the same GPUs.

24/7 and no probs.


AFAIK, EVGA have the highest OCed GPUs.




I have also a 1250 W PSU.
Enermax Revolution.
IIRC, 6 rail PSU. Max. 104 A !
[for ~ 1/2 year.. ~ 300.- € or something..]

+3,3V 25 A
+5Vsb 5 A
+5V 25 A
+12V1 30 A
+12V2 30 A
+12V3 30 A
+12V4 30 A
+12V5 30 A
+12V6 30 A
+12V total 104 A
-12V 0,6 A




The GPU cruncher take ~ 700 W out of the wall plug and the PSU fan is spinning like at idle, quiet - no noise.
Nearly no airflow out of the PSU case.
So no big work for the PSU.
[ambient ~ 23 °C]




Look to the min. A (PSU) requirements for the GPUs.

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Message 924573 - Posted: 8 Aug 2009, 10:29:36 UTC


Ahh BTW. ..

You OC all your rigs..

The PCIe is locked at 100 ?

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Message 924583 - Posted: 8 Aug 2009, 12:30:52 UTC

Thanx, but the PSU is fine.......

910w Silencer........

It's not a power problem.
The rails are fine.

There is a installation or driver problem.

And I intend to get to bottom of it.
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Message 924598 - Posted: 8 Aug 2009, 13:23:30 UTC
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Ohh well.. hmm..

You have enough knowledge about OC, hard- and software..
So it wouldn't be easy to help you.. ;-)


I remember.. xxxx* OCed also his mobo.. but he forgot to lock the PCIe @ 100 MHz. He was @ 105 MHz.
And now his GTX295 RAM is damaged.
Don't know - if because of this.


The easiest would be:
- BIOS - opt. settings - save - so no OC
- fresh Windows installation
- all software new


And if this wouldn't help.. then I guess, 1st - it's a software (WinXP 64bit) prob, or 2nd - hardware (mobo).. [it would be strange, if you got 2 new 'damaged' GPUs..]


I had a fresh installation of WinXP Home 32bit ('only' SP2).. only mobo_driver installed.. then GPU_driver .. and it work.. IIRC, 18x.x to 190.x all well..



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Message 924600 - Posted: 8 Aug 2009, 13:34:46 UTC - in response to Message 924598.  


Ohh well.. hmm..

You have enough knowledge about OC, hard- and software..
So it wouldn't be easy to help you.. ;-)


I remember.. xxxx* OCed also his mobo.. but he forgot to lock the PCIe @ 100 MHz. He was @ 105 MHz.
And now his GTX295 RAM is damaged.
Don't know - if because of this.


The easiest would be:
- BIOS - opt. settings - save - so no OC
- fresh Windows installation
- all software new


And if this wouldn't help.. then I guess, 1st - it's a software (WinXP 64bit) prob, or 2nd - hardware (mobo).. [it would be strange, if you got 2 new 'damaged' GPUs..]


I had a fresh installation of WinXP Home 32bit ('only' SP2).. only mobo_driver installed.. then GPU_driver .. and it work.. IIRC, 18x.x to 190.x all well..



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Thanks, Sutaru........but I covered all the bases so far.

I even took a new hard drive and did a virgin installation of XP x64 on it.

Still no go.

There has to be something in x64 that is preventing me from installing the drivers.
Either the old drivers are not being correctly unistalled by Windows, or a service that I have dissed, or something else.

Hardware is not an issue. I tried it on my other i7 rig and got the same crash.

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Message 924601 - Posted: 8 Aug 2009, 13:35:11 UTC


Ohh well.. ;-) ..everytime I post, one other idea come up..


Everytime before installation of a new nVIDIA_driver, I uninstalled the old nVIDIA_driver..

It's written on the nVIDIA site.
And on my PC it work well.


You installed maybe all new nVIDIA_driver over the old?

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Message 924602 - Posted: 8 Aug 2009, 13:37:26 UTC

And now that I think about it, the virgin x64 installation takes care of most of the past issues.......there were no old drivers.........all the services were in place.....
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