It's a shame that the "discourse" on this and other of the Politics boards have frequently become nothing more than a cut and paste from online articles and blogs that have clearly been written by others.

The status quo is dead! Long live the status quo!

Ditto!

It really is sad that some people are not able to express themselves and their opinions without quoting from some websites and refer to other people's opinions.

It looks like the debate is over for a while. Status quo indeed.

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It's a shame that the "discourse" on this and other of the Politics boards have frequently become nothing more than a cut and paste from online articles and blogs that have clearly been written by others.

The status quo is dead! Long live the status quo!

Ditto!

It really is sad that some people are not able to express themselves and their opinions without quoting from some websites and refer to other people's opinions.

It looks like the debate is over for a while. Status quo indeed.

I beg to differ!!! ;)

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

Fun with the same tired old Status Quo!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krK7Q49o6uA

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"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.

Top recipients of AIG campaign contributions: Note that the person at the top of the list is the senator who admitted to adding the language that allowed AIG to use the funds for executive bonuses.

Dodd, Chris (D-Conn) $281,038
Bush, George W (R-Texas) $200,560
Schumer, Charles E (D-NY) $111,875
Obama, Barack (D-Ill) $110,332
McCain, John (R-Ariz) $99,249
Baucus, Max (D-Mont) $90,000
Kerry, John (D-Mass) $85,000
Johnson, Nancy L (R-Conn $75,400
Sununu, John E (R-NH) $69,049
Clinton, Hillary (D-NY) $61,51

Fun with the same tired old Status Quo!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krK7Q49o6uA

You beat me to the punch Jason, but I was thinking of this one. Seemed the most appropriate

:-)

Brodo

Top recipients of AIG campaign contributions: Note that the person at the top of the list is the senator who admitted to adding the language that allowed AIG to use the funds for executive bonuses.

Dodd, Chris (D-Conn) $281,038
Bush, George W (R-Texas) $200,560
Schumer, Charles E (D-NY) $111,875
Obama, Barack (D-Ill) $110,332
McCain, John (R-Ariz) $99,249
Baucus, Max (D-Mont) $90,000
Kerry, John (D-Mass) $85,000
Johnson, Nancy L (R-Conn $75,400
Sununu, John E (R-NH) $69,049
Clinton, Hillary (D-NY) $61,51

$200,560 to a man who didn't run for office? What are these, lifetime totals? What did they give last election?

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Top recipients of AIG campaign contributions: Note that the person at the top of the list is the senator who admitted to adding the language that allowed AIG to use the funds for executive bonuses.

Dodd, Chris (D-Conn) $281,038
Bush, George W (R-Texas) $200,560
Schumer, Charles E (D-NY) $111,875
Obama, Barack (D-Ill) $110,332
McCain, John (R-Ariz) $99,249
Baucus, Max (D-Mont) $90,000
Kerry, John (D-Mass) $85,000
Johnson, Nancy L (R-Conn $75,400
Sununu, John E (R-NH) $69,049
Clinton, Hillary (D-NY) $61,51

$200,560 to a man who didn't run for office? What are these, lifetime totals? What did they give last election?

Click the link

Among Federal Candidates, 1989-2008

Top recipients of AIG campaign contributions: Note that the person at the top of the list is the senator who admitted to adding the language that allowed AIG to use the funds for executive bonuses.

Dodd, Chris (D-Conn) $281,038
Bush, George W (R-Texas) $200,560
Schumer, Charles E (D-NY) $111,875
Obama, Barack (D-Ill) $110,332
McCain, John (R-Ariz) $99,249
Baucus, Max (D-Mont) $90,000
Kerry, John (D-Mass) $85,000
Johnson, Nancy L (R-Conn $75,400
Sununu, John E (R-NH) $69,049
Clinton, Hillary (D-NY) $61,51

$200,560 to a man who didn't run for office? What are these, lifetime totals? What did they give last election?

Click the link

Among Federal Candidates, 1989-2008

that would have been nice to know up front. BTW thats a bit more than $4 million over 20 years that really doesnt seem to be that much compared to other companies. The Numbers represent numbers after the senior Bush was elected. A man deeply involved in the SEC. yet I digress. thats 5+ presidential election cycles. This really is a red Herring of an article. thats 10 election cycles including 5 presidential elections. that makes their footprint at a little more than $400,000 an election cycle. This seems about average for any company. Since they didn't really play favorites I just think they were doing what businesses do.

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

Top recipients of AIG campaign contributions: Note that the person at the top of the list is the senator who admitted to adding the language that allowed AIG to use the funds for executive bonuses.

Dodd, Chris (D-Conn) $281,038
Bush, George W (R-Texas) $200,560
Schumer, Charles E (D-NY) $111,875
Obama, Barack (D-Ill) $110,332
McCain, John (R-Ariz) $99,249
Baucus, Max (D-Mont) $90,000
Kerry, John (D-Mass) $85,000
Johnson, Nancy L (R-Conn $75,400
Sununu, John E (R-NH) $69,049
Clinton, Hillary (D-NY) $61,51

$200,560 to a man who didn't run for office? What are these, lifetime totals? What did they give last election?

Click the link

Among Federal Candidates, 1989-2008

that would have been nice to know up front.

The link was available up front, I was not hiding anything.

Top recipients of AIG campaign contributionsfrom 1989-2008 : Note that the person at the top of the list is the senator who admitted to adding the language that allowed AIG to use the funds for executive bonuses.

Dodd, Chris (D-Conn) $281,038
Bush, George W (R-Texas) $200,560
Schumer, Charles E (D-NY) $111,875
Obama, Barack (D-Ill) $110,332
McCain, John (R-Ariz) $99,249
Baucus, Max (D-Mont) $90,000
Kerry, John (D-Mass) $85,000
Johnson, Nancy L (R-Conn $75,400
Sununu, John E (R-NH) $69,049
Clinton, Hillary (D-NY) $61,51

$200,560 to a man who didn't run for office? What are these, lifetime totals? What did they give last election?

Click the link

Among Federal Candidates, 1989-2008

that would have been nice to know up front.

The link was available up front, I was not hiding anything.

See what happens when I add "from 1989-2008" It kinda takes the wind out of your argument. Clearly your point was to slam Chris Dodd and not point out that AIG gave away over $4 million to politicians over 20 years. From the data given its hard to tell when anyone got the money. Dodd has been a Senator since 1981. Using this data Dodd could have gotten about $14000 a year. not really much considering the time frame. Using it without the time frame of 20 years one erroneously can assume that the money was handed out recently. It may have but we can't tell with the information given

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

Top recipients of AIG campaign contributionsfrom 1989-2008 : Note that the person at the top of the list is the senator who admitted to adding the language that allowed AIG to use the funds for executive bonuses.

Dodd, Chris (D-Conn) $281,038
Bush, George W (R-Texas) $200,560
Schumer, Charles E (D-NY) $111,875
Obama, Barack (D-Ill) $110,332
McCain, John (R-Ariz) $99,249
Baucus, Max (D-Mont) $90,000
Kerry, John (D-Mass) $85,000
Johnson, Nancy L (R-Conn $75,400
Sununu, John E (R-NH) $69,049
Clinton, Hillary (D-NY) $61,51

$200,560 to a man who didn't run for office? What are these, lifetime totals? What did they give last election?

Click the link

Among Federal Candidates, 1989-2008

that would have been nice to know up front.

The link was available up front, I was not hiding anything.

See what happens when I add "from 1989-2008"

Chris Dodd recieved campaign contributions and did AIG some favors, isn't that obvious? Are you saying AIG recieved nothing for handing him $281,038? The time frame is irrelevant.

Besides, I believe corporate campaign contributions equate to bribes anyway. Government should represent us no matter how much money we have.

the timeframe is quite relevant. He could have gotten the moeny in his first term or last term. if it was recent then it appears relevant. I'd like to know how many banks and financial institutions are deeply involved in campaigns.

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

"I am staying a Republican because I think I have an important role -- a more important role -- to play there. I think the United States desperately needs a two-party system. It is the basis of politics in America. I think each of the 41 Republican senators, in a sense, and I don't want to overstate this, is a national asset, because if one was gone you would only have 40. The Democrats would have 60 and they would control all of the mechanisms of government." --Sen. Arlen Specter in March

I do not think the American people will be happy with an all democrat government. Not because of policy choices but because if anything goes wrong, and something always goes wrong, there will be no one to blame but democrats. If I remember correctly, this is how the democrats lost their congressional majority in the 90's.

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"I am staying a Republican because I think I have an important role -- a more important role -- to play there. I think the United States desperately needs a two-party system. It is the basis of politics in America. I think each of the 41 Republican senators, in a sense, and I don't want to overstate this, is a national asset, because if one was gone you would only have 40. The Democrats would have 60 and they would control all of the mechanisms of government." --Sen. Arlen Specter in March

I do not think the American people will be happy with an all democrat government. Not because of policy choices but because if anything goes wrong, and something always goes wrong, there will be no one to blame but democrats. If I remember correctly, this is how the democrats lost their congressional majority in the 90's.

Umm no You have newt gingrich and his neocon talk. Whats funny is the language he used to oust numerous Dems is now being used to demonize his own party. You gotta love fair play.

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

"I am staying a Republican because I think I have an important role -- a more important role -- to play there. I think the United States desperately needs a two-party system. It is the basis of politics in America. I think each of the 41 Republican senators, in a sense, and I don't want to overstate this, is a national asset, because if one was gone you would only have 40. The Democrats would have 60 and they would control all of the mechanisms of government." --Sen. Arlen Specter in March

I do not think the American people will be happy with an all democrat government. Not because of policy choices but because if anything goes wrong, and something always goes wrong, there will be no one to blame but democrats. If I remember correctly, this is how the democrats lost their congressional majority in the 90's.

"The government of the absolute majority is but the government of the strongest interests; and when not effectively checked, is the most tyrannical and oppressive that can be devised... [To read the Constitution is to realize that] no free system was ever farther removed from the principle that the absolute majority, without check or limitation, ought to govern." --American statesman John C. Calhoun (1782-1850)

Looks like Obama is coming around to maintaining the status quo - waffling on the lobbyist reform rules. The only changes he's lived up to is More Taxes and Higher Debt.

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Classic WU= 7,237 Classic Hours= 42,079

People of the USA, my enlightened neighbors to the south, you have
in Barack Obama a truly visionary leader.

I've got news for you. He is a Chicago Politician.

The only change will be the names on the indictments.

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I have a strong hunch that the Obama administration is only
moving as fast as the slowest constituents of the republic.
You have to remember that a lot of the US populace is stuck in the
19 th century, and they'll have to be dragged kicking and screaming into
the 21 th century. In the end it'll all be good.

One only has to realize that American Liberty prevails no matter what.
The proof of this freedom is demonstrated on a daily basis by none other
than Rush limbo, a voice of dissent against anything and everything
the present US administration stands for, without any regard for merit.

I could say that this dissonance stems from ideological differences
but I'd be wrong. Rush's diatribes have nothing to with either truth
or relevance, but with "words per minute", $5-$50/word no matter what he says,
and usually it ain't much. There are however a great deal of cpmercials.

People of the USA, my enlightened neighbors to the south, you have
in Barack Obama a truly visionary leader.

"Don't Screw it Up".

#1 IMHO - The slowest constituents seem to all congregate their offices in D.C. regardless of party affiliations. As for being stuck in the 19th century - most of us are well aware of being in the 21st century and are kicking and screaming BECAUSE OF IT.
#2 IMHO - The name is I believe Rush Limbaugh - and his diatribes are probably based on the current administrations lack of standing behind Anything promised. I haven't seen or heard about much they've done that deserves honorable mention much less merit. Besides - I preferr Lou Dobbs.
#3 IMHO - If he should be replaced, I'll volunteer FOR FREE (sans commercials).
#4 IMHO - It is all well to be a VISIONARY as long as you do something with meaning to make the vision a reality. So far, all I see is a plate of waffles.
#5 IMHO - How can we screw up a Gordian Knot?

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Classic WU= 7,237 Classic Hours= 42,079

People of the USA, my enlightened neighbors to the south, you have
in Barack Obama a truly visionary leader.

I've got news for you. He is a Chicago Politician.

The only change will be the names on the indictments.

I feel you're a pain brother!

Things sure be hard back there in the 19 th century.

:O)

guido, FYI: The average Chicago Politician makes tricky Dick look like an angel.

While the US stimulus plan is helping, it is not doing what Obama said it would. I really hope it does start working, there are a lot of people out there looking for jobs.