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Message 845655 - Posted: 27 Dec 2008, 13:05:16 UTC
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War has again broken out between israel and palestine

one just wonders when ,will these war stop for ever .Why cant the accept each

other and live in peace for the sake of there people its virtually impossible to

tell who is right and who is wrong in that conflict .in my view both sides are

equally to blame.
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Message 845667 - Posted: 27 Dec 2008, 14:12:01 UTC


I agree with you Kasule.
Sad enough. all wars are senseless.
Especially in the name of religion.

But i expect it will take too long to give the peace on this place.

With each crime and every kindness we birth our future.
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Message 845763 - Posted: 27 Dec 2008, 21:15:49 UTC

I wonder what would had happened with Mr.Albert Einstein as president of Israel when he was offered the position.
Mrs.Tzipi Livni was very close to a new and better chapter of Israel´s future with their neighbors.

I prefer this image...who can possibly be against this?

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Message 847726 - Posted: 1 Jan 2009, 10:38:05 UTC - in response to Message 845763.  

He would have most likely been assasinated by the hard guys who are not in favour of peace.
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Message 848879 - Posted: 3 Jan 2009, 20:45:25 UTC - in response to Message 847726.  

Israel enters gaza !.
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Message 848880 - Posted: 3 Jan 2009, 20:46:27 UTC - in response to Message 848879.  

Israel enters gaza !.



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Message 848883 - Posted: 3 Jan 2009, 20:53:12 UTC
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Message 849029 - Posted: 4 Jan 2009, 1:58:19 UTC - in response to Message 848945.  

I don't get how a group such as Hamas makes edicts and rules that are counter to their own religion. not exactly doing Gods work now are they


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Message 849134 - Posted: 4 Jan 2009, 5:40:17 UTC - in response to Message 849029.  

I don't get how a group such as Hamas makes edicts and rules that are counter to their own religion. not exactly doing Gods work now are they


Its all how one (or a group of individuals) interpret the written word of their own religion. Words are always open to interpretation, and as time goes on, it gets harder to know the intent, nor can you ask the author for clarification.
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Message 849180 - Posted: 4 Jan 2009, 9:28:41 UTC - in response to Message 848945.  
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What i never get, however hard i think is what is the logic of hamas ? they know
the can't win , they know that Israel will lose less people than them, the will loss Gaza and may not get it back for the next 100 years . I believe some people in Hamas are either interested in keeping the organization running just for the sake of raising funds OR the actually have a reasoning problem because each time palestine trys to get out of the grave situation they are in , Hamas comes in and puts them right back in. What religion preaches that i just don't get it, its like the confusion in the middle east just can't go away. The reason for hamas is money its not religion the day arab states stop funding hamas , it will cease fighting and relative peace will come to middle east.
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Message 849232 - Posted: 4 Jan 2009, 12:07:11 UTC - in response to Message 849180.  

why are people blaming hamas, when neither, israel or palestine has been "right"
for decades, they are both totally wrong, israel just use more power and kill more people, but both sides do just unhuman things to each other without any reason. both are wrong and losing all the time.
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Message 849288 - Posted: 4 Jan 2009, 15:32:50 UTC - in response to Message 849232.  

ah so if you were minding your own business enjoying your days in your own town and some folks started tossing rockets your way, what would you do? beg them to stop? ask for help?

It's pretty clear that Hamas can't and won't have a full fledged fight with Israel. The rockets are a ploy to get Israel to retaliate. You ask, "a ploy?". Yes a ploy. Israel is now forced to retaliate. Hamas will hide amongst the civilian population of Gaza and then they can start counting out how the Israelis are firing into civilian population.

The last I heard 400+ were killed in Gaza. Of that less than 100 were civilian casualties. That may seem like a lot of civilian casualties, but when you consider the people of Gaza are packed into that territory like they are in New York City. So if Israel is firing indiscriminately into civilian populations they must be horrible shots. I doubt that.

Hamas has intentionally shot their rockets at civilian population causing massive panic and property damage but only 4 deaths.

Honestly, if Canada decided to start lobbing rockets at Detroit...well maybe not Detroit possible bad example... at Buffalo we would probably first ask them to stop them bomb the crap out of them soon afterward.


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Message 849413 - Posted: 4 Jan 2009, 21:29:05 UTC

if you believe so, you are quite naive
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Message 849454 - Posted: 5 Jan 2009, 0:24:10 UTC

The actions of Israel are seen by some in Israel as a war crime The neighborhood bully strikes again

And as the following points out, the issues surrounding the Israel/Palestine conflict are complex.

JOHN BERGER ON GAZA

December 29, 2008, 2:49 am
Filed under: Gaza, Israel | Tags: John Berger
A message from the British writer and art critic, John Berger.

“We are now spectators of the latest - and perhaps penultimate - chapter of the 60 year old conflict between Israel and the Palestinian people. About the complexities of this tragic conflict billions of words have been pronounced, defending one side or the other.

Today, in face of the Israeli attacks on Gaza, the essential calculation, which was always covertly there, behind this conflict, has been blatantly revealed. The death of one Israeli victim justifies the killing of a hundred Palestinians. One Israeli life is worth a hundred Palestinian lives.

This is what the Israeli State and the world media more or less - with marginal questioning - mindlessly repeat. And this claim, which has accompanied and justified the longest Occupation of foreign territories in 20th C. European history, is viscerally racist. That the Jewish people should accept this, that the world should concur, that the Palestinians should submit to it - is one of history’s ironic jokes. There’s no laughter anywhere. We can, however, refute it, more and more vocally.

Let’s do so.”

John Berger

27 December 2008




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Message 849876 - Posted: 5 Jan 2009, 23:07:41 UTC

Israel's expansion into the West Bank is simply done to possess some of the most fertile lands and water resources in the region.
As the palestinians are crowded into smaller prison zones, surrounded by fences and guards, the resentment and outrage can only grow.

Palestinians are systematically being driven from their lands and their villages are becoming more and more isolated.
Movement between Palestinian townships is controlled by Israeli troops.

Israel is the aggressor in this situation but they have the backing of the U.S. and it's control of the media to whitewash their actions.

To believe that one side of this dispute, Muslims, are blinded by their religious beliefs while the other is not leads me to believe that someone has not read the Bible and seen that the Israelis also believe that they are God's chosen people and can do as they damned well please.
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Message 849898 - Posted: 5 Jan 2009, 23:56:27 UTC
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and do remember that there was not country named israel( neither palestine)
before it was made up.
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Message 849939 - Posted: 6 Jan 2009, 1:44:46 UTC

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I think you'll find that the Palestinians were the people living on and working those lands when Israel was recreated
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Message 849968 - Posted: 6 Jan 2009, 3:15:08 UTC

Call them anything you wish to.
The fact remains that they were living there before Israel was formed...they weren't bussed in after the fact.

This is a displaced people being pushed even further from their lands and homes by the Israelis who should be showing a greater understanding, based on their own history of brutal treatment by others, of what that does to a society and it's citizens.

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Message 850084 - Posted: 6 Jan 2009, 11:41:25 UTC


Agreed Robert.

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Message 850085 - Posted: 6 Jan 2009, 11:43:27 UTC - in response to Message 849919.  

and do remember that there was not country named Israel(nor Palestine)
before it was made up.

Of course there was, My Granddad said It was in the Bible, and in Historical records of the Roman Empire, So I'd say You're very much misinformed and Yes Palestinian Arabs came from Arabia and aren't native to the area.



there were lot of countries in ancient times that one day exist and now they haven´t for thousand- two thousand year, should they get back their countries too?
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