Cannabis prohibition has failed. It's time for a new approach. Mission420 is devoted to the greatest herb on earth, our mission is to educate the masses as to the truths behind Cannabis.
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“I do not agree with a word that you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”

I would like to take a moment to clarify the rules regarding this thread (as confirmed to the Mods by Admins):

Any discussion or encouraging of actual use will be hidden.

This thread is to focus on the laws surrounding the legalization (or not to legalize) the use of Marijuana.

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Cannabis prohibition has failed. It's time for a new approach.

Agreed.
To many lives have been destroyed by the prohibition and criminalization, which many will notice, didn't work when applied to booze either.
Although the prohibition of booze did make the Kennedy's stinky rich.

Disclaimer:
I'm not a user but still believe in the options of others to use.

Those people I have met, who have smoked the funny weed regularly, seem to be some of the dumbest people I know. Whatever intelligence there might have been in there somewhere seem all gone. Spending time hearing them talking seems like a waste of time to me, even I'm sure they themselves think that they are very deep and insightful, it's like hearing drunk people talk. People, who drink, at least sober up from time to time, users of the funny weed never seem to sober up.

And yes, I have smoked too, I stopped after a very bad trip and have never touched it since. And that was before my IQ had dropped 50% from it!

Have any of you, who want cannabis free, seen someone who has or just has got out of a cannabis psychosis? That's a scary sight! Just as scary as seeing people with delirium tremens. And just as creepy as seeing someone with withdrawal symptoms from heroin. Addiction is a nasty thing, and claiming that cannabis is not addictive, that's being in denial!

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"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me

I would like to take a moment to clarify the rules regarding this thread (as confirmed to the Mods by Admins):

Any discussion or encouraging of actual use will be hidden.

This thread is to focus on the laws surrounding the legalization (or not to legalize) the use of Marijuana.

It's been legalized in the State of California for medicinal use with a prescription written by a licensed physician. However it is still against federal law and as such citizens "may" be subject to arrest for possession/using/being under the influence.

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me@rescam.org

For as many people that claim that legalizing it is easy and that nobody gets hurt by it, there are the innumerable cases where someone on alcohol or any other drug has gotten behind the wheel of a motor vehicle which winds up killing people. I'd put metaphors out there but I just can't see a reason to legalize weed. Maybe if they put a maximum quantity of 1 gm and a maximum age to possess it at 25 then maybe it would be ok.

I say max age of 25 because if you are still doing this at 25 you really need to reexamine where your life is headed.

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

i could care less if cannabis was legalized, but if it help's someone who's sick and dieing then it should be at least recognized as medicine. the only reason it's illegal is totally economical, it all goes back to William Randolph Hearst and DuPont. the only argument to a non-smoker is about the money to be made if it would be taxed and regulated.

http://www.reefermadness.org/propaganda/essay.html

this link pretty much say's it all

i could care less if cannabis was legalized, but if it help's someone who's sick and dieing then it should be at least recognized as medicine. the only reason it's illegal is totally economical, it all goes back to William Randolph Hearst and DuPont. the only argument to a non-smoker is about the money to be made if it would be taxed and regulated.

http://www.reefermadness.org/propaganda/essay.html

this link pretty much say's it all

there is medical marijane out there already. yet they charge outrageous sums to purchase it. Doctors can prescribe pills which contain THC. this gives a patient a much better metered dosage than say picking between hydro and panama red

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

doctors do prescribe synthetic THC pills called Marinol. the government acknowledges Marinol as medicine but the actual plant they got the idea from is still illegal. why is that? the pharmacutical, tobacco, and alcohol companies tried so hard and spend a lot of money to reinforce the distinction between "legal" drugs and illegal drugs.
its not actually the legalization of cannabis that many people want, but when you legalize cannabis in turn you legalize hemp.

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“I do not agree with a word that you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”

As I stated before they encourage the marinol over the wild plant for several reasons. No herbicides on the pills, standardized dosage, and control of the substance.

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

i agree with you on the dosage argument, but if someone can grow there own or have a caregiver grow some for them then they know what they are purchasing. a lot of patients prefer organic with no chemicals nowadays, the commercial market could care less about what they are selling though.

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“I do not agree with a word that you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”

I think they should legalize it for recreational use, and make the laws same as alcohol:

- no one under 21
- no driving or operating any machinery
- not at work while under influence.
- no private sales.

At this time, America could use any tax dollars they can get their hands on. The tax collected on marijuana could rival cigarette tax.

If it makes "mindless zmbies" out of the users, then let it happen. They would be easier to recognize in public. (I personally don't think it would create "zombies", unless they are lazy already.)

Some people claim than Marijuana has no medical use. Are there any medical use for cigarettes or alcohol? There are medical uses for marijuana, just not very popular. I have never heard a doctor say "You need to smoke more cigarettes and drink about 6-pack a day"

According to Wikipedia, Marijuana is less addicting than alcohol or cigarettes. Yes, I tried a few joins, but it was easy for me to stop, and that was 15 years ago. I also stopped drinking alcohol 5 years ago, and that was lightly addictive. Cigarettes on the other hand, are a hard habit to drop. I am still wroking on it.

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Smoking it in California would put it under the anti-smoking laws and most likely that would be enhanced even further. Ergo no smoking it in public. Drinking near me doesn't cause me to drink. Smoking near me forces me to breathe your smoke.

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me@rescam.org

there is no reason to make cannabis legal.

there is no reason to make cannabis legal.

I second that.

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agreed ...so we now have a quorum

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

there is no reason to make cannabis legal.

I'll agree here. I have a brother who is truly--psychologically and physically-addicted to Marijuana. He has become unreliable, disrespectful to his family, and when combined with alcohol, displays violent tendencies (which led to his divorce, loss of job, multiple DWI's, and within a few weeks-off to jail).

I'm not saying Cannabis is the only issue but there is absolutely no doubt in any of the tests/assessments that have been performed that it has contributed to his issues.

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there is no reason to make cannabis legal.

There's also no reason to ensure your right to vote or free speech, except that we live in a free country, where theoretically you're free to pursue what makes you happy, within reason.
Unfortunately there is a struggle over what is within reason. Some say as long as it hurts no one else. Others say if it has the potential to hurt anybody, including yourself, it's bad (helmet and seat-belt laws). While others will go as far as they don't like it, regardless of reason or justification.
Potential for self-harm seems to be the line in the sand for the most part right now. For a few particular issues in the past, usually due to religious influences, it was the third. I'm hoping we're moving more towards the first, but it's a dim hope.

I second that.

There is plenty of reason. The gov't has no right, nor any philosophical reason, to determine for individuals what they will choose to put into their body or not.

The law doesn't prevent people from smoking pot. They smoke it anyway. A tiny tiny tiny tiny fraction of people, once in a blue moon, get punished for it.

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Cordially,
Rush

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Hmmmm
Rush and I agree on something.

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Happy New Year Rush
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