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Message 825871 - Posted: 2 Nov 2008, 1:04:02 UTC

Since I am into Astronomy and my girlfriend is slightly interested, I was thinking about having a star named after her. When I looked on-line I found this article about it being a scam, but upon reading the article and going to the site I may still do it. If you would like to reply I would like to hear your thoughts on this. Would you do it?

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Winona Ryder got one for Johnny Depp. Nicole Kidman got one and named it "Forever Tom." Princess Diana has two, purchased for her after her death. And at least one widow of a fireman lost in the World Trade Center attack wanted to buy one in memory of her late husband.

What these people have is a 12-by-16-inch certificate from the Illinois company International Star Registry (ISR), claiming that a star had been named for them or their loved one.

They have a booklet with charts of the constellations, along with a large detailed star chart with "their" star circled in red. They also have a gap in their bank account where $48 used to be. What they don't have is any confirmation their star's new name is recognized and will be used by anyone outside International Star Registry.

Founded in 1979, ISR has sold over 1 million of their full-color "Name A Star" parchment certificates. Figuring there are between 400 billion and 1 trillion stars in this galaxy alone, selling names for them at nearly $50 each sounds like a license to print money.

But International Star Registry certainly doesn't have a license to name stars. Robert Naeye, editor of Mercury Magazine, a publication of the Astronomical Society of the Pacific, puts it in no uncertain terms: "The star names sold by the International Star Registry are not recognized by any professional astronomical organization."

The International Astronomical Union is the only scientific body authorized to name astronomical bodies.

In other words, typing "Forever Tom" into the Hipparcos star data catalog will get you nothing but a 404.

The International Star Registry is not in the business of officially assigning star names; it is in the business of finding people willing to part with their money for a piece of paper that in a scientific sense means precisely nothing.

"We produce a good product, a fun product. We may have planted a seed with people, educated them even slightly about astronomy, about the stars," said Rocky Mosele, vice president of marketing and advertising for ISR. "For people to say, 'Well, it's not official' -- I think people are OK that it's not official. I'm sure of it. I know because customers call again and again and again."

Yet a significant number of people believe that the naming of a star is an official activity. Is ISR's star-naming business therefore a scam? No, not legally. The company promises to send you a piece of parchment, a booklet and a star map -- and it delivers. It also promises to copyright your star's new name and location in a book -- and it does.

Earlier ISR advertisements promised to store a star's name in a vault in Geneva, Switzerland, and there's no reason to believe this was not done. The company very carefully makes no claim that the star's new name will be recognized by professional astronomers.

"We've been given a clean bill of health by the attorney general of Illinois," Mosele said. "They find no problem with what we do; we're not trying to mislead people."

ISR doesn't even use the word "official" anywhere on its main Web page.

Yet this tacit acknowledgement hasn't stopped ISR from throwing its weight around. In 2000, they threatened to sue Ohio Wesleyan University for hosting a student's Web page criticizing the company's star-naming practices. Rather than face a lawsuit, the university removed the website. At roughly the same time, ISR threatened suit against a Florida planetarium for remarks against ISR made by one of its employees.

"I was actually hoping they'd sue me," said Laurent Pellerin, the employee in question. "But ISR went after (my employer, knowing) they couldn't afford even a successful lawsuit."

International Star Registry actually brought suit in 1999 against another star-naming company, claiming trademark infringement. (Oddly enough, this case was significant, as it determined that doing business over the Internet with inhabitants of a state was the equivalent of doing business in that state.)

What bothers most people in the astronomy and planetarium communities is that too many people buy these stars under the assumption that their star's name will be acknowledged worldwide by the astronomical community. "I would be perfectly happy if ISR said up front that the star name you're purchasing is not scientifically recognized," Pellerin said. "They do that on their Canadian website. Why can't they just say it here?"

"Why, after the astronomy community has been so nasty to us, should I do them any favors?" retorts ISR's Mosele. "They're requesting something of me. Why should I do it based on their request after they've been so nasty? I don't think our customers are confused."

To those who would like to honor a living or departed loved one with an astronomical gift, Marc Taylor of the Andrus Planetarium in Westchester County, New York, offers an alternative. "If you want to buy something for a child, why not get them a beginner's astronomy book, or even a pair of binoculars?" he said. "In memory of someone who has died, donating astronomy equipment -- even a magazine subscription -- to a school is a great way to keep their memory alive, because you open up the universe to others."

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Message 826206 - Posted: 2 Nov 2008, 19:18:29 UTC

Maybe you could have an asteroid named after her.
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Message 826287 - Posted: 2 Nov 2008, 21:21:54 UTC - in response to Message 826206.  

Is there a service that lets people name asteroids?
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Message 826671 - Posted: 3 Nov 2008, 20:28:34 UTC - in response to Message 826287.  

Is there a service that lets people name asteroids?

What about a "Walk of Fame" in your neighborhood? I guess Hollywood Boulevard is too busy and for some different kind of "stars+starlets"!!
I guess any mayor in any town/county would like to see their income/taxes raised by extra means of money wells.
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I would get in touch with curates and people responsible for planetariums, museums, expositions, fairs and so on to see/check this possibility.The city councilman in charge of tourism, culture/Science/education would be a try worth.
I was thinking of "Arlington" (with all my respect)but related to Science and cosmos (architecture/design)

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Message 826978 - Posted: 4 Nov 2008, 12:30:43 UTC - in response to Message 826671.  
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What about a "Walk of Fame" in your neighborhood? I guess Hollywood Boulevard is too busy and for some different kind of "stars+starlets"!!

What happened to the good old fashioned carving of initials in the bark of a tree?

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Message 827073 - Posted: 5 Nov 2008, 1:12:56 UTC - in response to Message 825871.  

For a simple 100K US I will rename the Milky Way for you.
and give you a document of authenticity.

Dear One...
Just take her out late at night, find they most glorious celestial object, look her in the eyes... and let her know her name, her grandeur is beyond all that this universe could bring upon the soul.

Save the money.
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Message 840350 - Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 0:04:06 UTC

Eric's sister did this to comfort a friend whose child passed away. Eric and I didn't say anything to his sister, but at the time we both thought it was a scam designed to prey upon those in love and those in grief.

Perhaps you could honor your sweetie by making a donation in her honor to her favorite charity?

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Message 840466 - Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 6:13:19 UTC - in response to Message 825871.  

Since I am into Astronomy and my girlfriend is slightly interested, I was thinking about having a star named after her. When I looked on-line I found this article about it being a scam, but upon reading the article and going to the site I may still do it. If you would like to reply I would like to hear your thoughts on this. Would you do it?

I wouldn't. It reminds me of the person who was selling deeds for land on the moon.

Perhaps you could honor your sweetie by making a donation in her honor to her :) I'll stop right there.
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Message 866171 - Posted: 16 Feb 2009, 17:25:23 UTC

Since no legitimate astronomical organization recognizes this company nor do they endorse naming stars for oneself outside the realm of scientific astronomical notation. BTW good luck finding "your" star since there are only a trillion stars in this galaxy. It looks like they will have plenty to sell as long as ET doesnt come down here and tell them that they have already named those stars.


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