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zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65747 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Repost: I agree on both points. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
I don't mind Muslims as long as they don't mind me believing in what I believe in. Translation: You don't mind the hypocrites, but you do mind the Muslims that are true to Islam... ;) (Maybe you should stop misusing the word Islamist, and read the Qur'an --> 2:256 Let there be no compulsion in religion!) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Repost: Not quite right Fuzzy. I don't know if you really don't get it, or are deliberately misstating it to inflame. I extend to others the right to do as they please as long as they don't step on my rights and extend to me the same right to do as I please as long as I don't step on their rights. Those that refuse to grant this don't deserve freedom, but belong controlled so that they can not act to stop anyone's right to do with their life as they see fit. Their choice to meddle in others rights is permission to meddle in theirs. It isn't a matter of a religion but basic self derivable ethics. What those rights are, are well stated in the Declaration of Independence and what a man should not do, is well stated in what was revealed to Moses. I do consider dangerous any religion that gives it followers commands to convert others, even the religion of democracy. True religions do not need that for the beauty of their truth is there for all to see. If others chose not to look, that is for God to handle come their meeting with him. As for the troops, why the H did we send them there knowing that the country did not want a democracy in the first place. That reminds me of a country in South East Asia were we sent troops on the same mission and failed. Failed for the same bad reading of intelligence reports too! Seems that is a lesson the USA still hasn't learned. Once we verified there weren't any WMD we should have been home PDQ, if that is why we went in. We should have let the country erupt into open civil war. It would have been a spectacular lesson to the world as to how the practice of the Muslim religion there has been perverted. At least to those who are circumspect. Gary |
Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
I wonder how many innocent Muslims have died due to the 'Demonize Islam Campaign'... They did it to the Jews, they did it to the Christians, and now they are doing it to the Muslims... Kinda makes one wonder who the real demons are... ;) (But hey, let's not blame it on 'our' ignorance of Islam, let's blame it on the 'terrorists' who hijacked Islam.) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . |
Aristoteles Doukas Send message Joined: 11 Apr 08 Posts: 1091 Credit: 2,140,913 RAC: 0 |
these pages are occupied these days by war mongers. which is sad, and funny, everything has stayed as they were in yesterday |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20289 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
I wonder how many innocent Muslims have died due to the 'Demonize Islam Campaign'... A 'campaign' run by whom? They did it to the Jews, they did it to the Christians, and now they are doing it to the Muslims... And who are the "they"? Is this just a bit of 'noise' from a few 'radicals'?... Or something else? On the religious note: Most if not all religions are quite benign. It's the political 'interpretation' made in the name of whatever religion that becomes offensive (in all meanings)... Regards, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Fuzzy Hollynoodles Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
Repost: I don't see any discrepancies between what I wrote and what I mean and what you wrote and what I perceive that you mean. I watched an interview on tv the other night with a Muslim living here, an Egyptian born man, who stated the same. He is severely tired of those people who give his religion a bad name, he wanted to tell that the well integrated Muslims in the Danish society and in the Danish culture and traditions will not and can not be compared to or lumped with those who are subversive to our society through their conceptions of what Islam is. He basically said the same as you did in your post. He also want the troops drawn back from Iraq and Afghanistan. And I am sure that my downstairs neighbors, who are Muslims, feel the same, I don't think they want to be lumped with those who are on a jihad. They are nice people and I speak with them when I meet them on the staircase. I usually greet them on the end of the Ramadan when they celebrate with their family and friends. "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me |
Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
Those that refuse to grant this don't deserve freedom, but belong controlled Well, at least you're not rounding us up and exterminating us like Hitler did... ;) (Give me LIBERTY or give me DEATH! Being your personal SLAVE is not an option.) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . |
Parasite Send message Joined: 24 Jul 08 Posts: 23 Credit: 2,443 RAC: 0 |
Personally I could care less what religion you follow, My problem isn't with Muslims who worship peacfully and respect others rights to do the same. My problem is with Extremist who want me dead because in their words I'm a non-believer and should be killed in some jihad. My view of religion has been skewed pretty bad I'll admit to the point I think I'm going to start to worship George Carlin cause I'm fed up with people who feel the need to kill in Gods name. At best, God can be viewed as nothing more than an uncaring incompetent father-figure George Carlin Religion has never really had a big problem with murder. Not really. More people have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason. George Carlin Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! But He loves you. He loves you. He loves you and he needs money! George Carlin |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65747 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Personally I could care less what religion you follow, My problem isn't with Muslims who worship peacfully and respect others rights to do the same. My problem is with Extremist who want me dead because in their words I'm a non-believer and should be killed in some jihad. Yep, that's George alright. It's too bad that He passed away, But what's past is the past. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Those that refuse to grant this don't deserve freedom, but belong controlled Control is a fence to keep evil doers away. More stringent control is needed when evil doers breach the fence like Pat Robertson, James Dobson, Alberto Gonzalez, Jerry Falwell, John Ashcroft, George W. Bush who want to impose their value system on others by force if necessary. For the evil doer intent on committing mass murder to control, what would you suggest Jeffery? Let him do it? I forgot, some people believe in fatalism and don't think man has free choice and couldn't prevent it. As for that slave line, isn't reducing women to chattel exactly that? |
Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
Control is a fence to keep evil doers away. I thought that was the reason for a Criminal Justice System... ;) (No repulsive up in your face goons required!) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Control is a fence to keep evil doers away. Repulsive in your face goons, who violate the things they swore an oath to uphold or the unalienable rights that everyone is endowed by their creator, also need to be controlled. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Repost: I think you don't know what a jihad means to those nice people downstairs. Jihad does not mean holy war to them. It means their personal struggle to be Muslim. |
Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
I think you don't know what a jihad means to those nice people downstairs. I certainly know what a jihad means to the witch who lives upstairs from me... ;) (And I'm guessing that she has never even heard of the word!) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . |
champ Send message Joined: 12 Mar 03 Posts: 3642 Credit: 1,489,147 RAC: 0 |
My deepest respect to Jeffrey. He is a very clever guy. He does not answer directly and only in short sentences. Very clever! |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
My deepest respect to Jeffrey. He is a very clever guy. He does not answer directly and only in short sentences. Very clever! Yes, he only sticks the spoon in long enough to give one stir to the cauldron. |
Rush Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3131 Credit: 302,569 RAC: 0 |
As Fuzzy said, it's just idiocy. A constant parade thereof. Not worth reading, certainly not worth responding to. Do as you wish, of course. Cordially, Rush elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com Remove the obvious... |
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