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Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
August 6 is the anniversary of the day in 1945 that an atomic bomb was first used against human beings when it was dropped on the city of Hiroshima in Japan. Every year it is remembered in different cities around the world. Hiroshima Day Events |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
Amazing isn't it? I don't understand people much of the time. "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
I don't understand people much of the time. When I was younger, I didn't and wished that I did... I got that wish, and now that I do, I wish that I didn't... ;) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
I don't understand people much of the time. :D How could we drop that on two cities? Lunacy. We were already beating them back to Japan. We could have dropped them just off the coast for effect. I'm more than sure they would have folded. Then we send medical personnel in, not to help the victims, but to study them! FUBAR "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
Rush Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3131 Credit: 302,569 RAC: 0 |
How could we drop that on two cities? Lunacy. We were already beating them back to Japan. We could have dropped them just off the coast for effect. I'm more than sure they would have folded. You being sure has no bearing because the historical record demonstrates otherwise. 1) They were warned in the Potsdam Declaration to surrender unconditionally, because they faced a weapon of unimaginable power and that they faced "prompt and utter destruction." They refused. 2) After Hiroshima, the were warned AGAIN to surrender unconditionally. This time the phrase was something like "a rain of ruin from the sky, the likes of which the world has never seen." They refused AGAIN because they did not want Hirohito to be tried for war crimes for Japanese behavior in Asia (they had been busily putting Hitler to shame, slaughtering some 17 million civilians since 1932 or so). In other words, they did not fold. They held their people hostage to save face for Hirohito. 3) Nagasaki was melted and this time they folded and folded quick. Even then, after the surrender, there was a coup attempt in order to prevent the surrender from going through. So no, they would not have folded. Nor did they. Then we send medical personnel in, not to help the victims, but to study them! Yeah, it's call war for a reason. It's not called poem. Or flower. Or cute. It's called war. Cordially, Rush elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com Remove the obvious... |
BrainSmashR Send message Joined: 7 Apr 02 Posts: 1772 Credit: 384,573 RAC: 0 |
I don't understand people much of the time. It's pretty simple....ensuring the defeat of your enemy is more important than minimizing his causalities. Obviously we don't all share your sense of "collective guilt"...hopefully you feel bad enough for the both of us. |
Labbie Send message Joined: 19 Jun 06 Posts: 4083 Credit: 5,930,102 RAC: 0 |
Right or wrong, it happened. All I know is that the bombings probably saved my grandfather's life. He was actually on the boats heading for Japan in the first wave of the invasion when the surrender came down. That is what I have been told by my family. My grandfather died when I was about 3 years old. I have very few memories of him. Calm Chaos Forum...Join Calm Chaos Now |
Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
Deliberate killing of civilians is a war crime, whether Japan was suing for peace or not. I am feeling very old. I was born in World War 2 and the atrocities, under whatever guise, continue... |
Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
Deliberate killing of civilians is a war crime They did it in Hiroshima, and they did it in Iraq, why is it so hard to believe that they would do it in New York City... ;) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . |
BrainSmashR Send message Joined: 7 Apr 02 Posts: 1772 Credit: 384,573 RAC: 0 |
Deliberate killing of civilians is a war crime, whether Japan was suing for peace or not. I just LOVE how liberals think we're supposed to win wars with both hands tied behind our back by rules no one else follows. Are you actually PROUD of how this mentality has dragged out the War on Terror? |
Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
I think you might be a bit mixed up. By liberals I suppose you mean some people like myself who actually don't think we should be in any war at all. I mean how atavistic is that, ripping each other to bits to get whatever each wants? Not very grown up is it? Have you really ever asked yourself why there is even a "war on terror"? Do you think it came out of nowhere? Are you happy that this is how the human race should resolve differences, with war? Do you dream of a better future? |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Deliberate killing of civilians is a war crime, whether Japan was suing for peace or not. Right, it's the liberals fault that the War on Terror has latest this long. Just for the record, how long did the liberal President GW Bush say we should expect this war would last? I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Deliberate killing of civilians is a war crime, whether Japan was suing for peace or not. Quite, Robert McNamara, in The Fog of War, commenting on his part in the firebombing campaign against Japan, said: "(Curtis) LeMay said that 'If we'd lost the war, we'd all have been prosecuted as war criminals.' And I think he's right. He, and I'd say I, were behaving as war criminals." I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
Deliberate killing of civilians is a war crime, whether Japan was suing for peace or not. I thought the war in Iraq already ended! I saw Bush on an Aircraft Carrier say so! OMG! Oliver Stone is making a movie about Bush called "W." !!! Directed by Oliver Stone owned by Lionsgate Studios http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEyJ2kdaaTQ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1175491/ http://lionsgate.com/?section=film "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
BrainSmashR Send message Joined: 7 Apr 02 Posts: 1772 Credit: 384,573 RAC: 0 |
That depends on if you define "grown up" as capable of providing for and protecting your family or someone who asks "Why is there a War on Terror" in the wake of 30+ years of middle eastern terrorism.
Of course I dream of a better world...I'm just not foolish enough to believe everyone shares that same dream OR that all of man's dreams can coexist together. |
BrainSmashR Send message Joined: 7 Apr 02 Posts: 1772 Credit: 384,573 RAC: 0 |
Deliberate killing of civilians is a war crime, whether Japan was suing for peace or not. You seemed to have missed the subtle difference between protecting a foreign land and crushing it's populace/government into submission. When's the last time Japan or Germany stepped out of line? Or is that just another one of those "coincidences" like not having another terrorist attack on our homeland since the invasion of the middle east? |
BrainSmashR Send message Joined: 7 Apr 02 Posts: 1772 Credit: 384,573 RAC: 0 |
I thought the war in Iraq already ended! Yeah, people tend to get confused when they aren't actually paying attention...but that's ok, some of us do and I'm sure your little bit of propaganda has been corrected numerous times before. |
Aristoteles Doukas Send message Joined: 11 Apr 08 Posts: 1091 Credit: 2,140,913 RAC: 0 |
yes, bush said so, but like most of the time, he does not understand what he was saying. |
BrainSmashR Send message Joined: 7 Apr 02 Posts: 1772 Credit: 384,573 RAC: 0 |
yes, bush said so, but like most of the time, he does not understand what he was saying. Yeah, no way in heck he just declared an end to major combat operations and the left trumped up the rest of the story. I mean keeping the peace and ousting a dictator are the same thing "in your opinion", right? |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
yes, bush said so, but like most of the time, he does not understand what he was saying. Keeping in mind that we put him in power and gave him weapons, chemicals, maps, and targets, I'd say we gave him the Noriega treatment. Just like we did with Iran. Divide and conquer. Food for oil. Things start looking to peaceful we send in the CIA to blow something up and blame it on a faction. Transparent to some of us. Unthinkable or condoned by others. "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
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