Can anyone please help this cruncher?

He has huge numbers of bad results

Just spotted him because one of my results is now pending because of the credit claimed difference. Not just me, of course, there are hundreds of similar results causing a backlog for loads of people.

I don't have the expertise needed to offer assistance but I suspect a lot of our companions would be glad if this could be cleared up.

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Can anyone please help this cruncher?

He has huge numbers of bad results

Just spotted him because one of my results is now pending because of the credit claimed difference. Not just me, of course, there are hundreds of similar results causing a backlog for loads of people.

I don't have the expertise needed to offer assistance but I suspect a lot of our companions would be glad if this could be cleared up.

Hi!

I think this cruncher has a older/bad/corrupted version of BOINC.

I was send a PM to Zelvuska (Czech like the cruncher) asking if he can help him.

Best regards.

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Logan.

BOINC FAQ Service (Ahora, también disponible en Español/Now available in Spanish)

Can anyone please help this cruncher?

He has huge numbers of bad results

Just spotted him because one of my results is now pending because of the credit claimed difference. Not just me, of course, there are hundreds of similar results causing a backlog for loads of people.

I don't have the expertise needed to offer assistance but I suspect a lot of our companions would be glad if this could be cleared up.

Hi!

I think this cruncher has a older/bad/corrupted version of BOINC.

I was send a PM to Zelvuska (Czech like the cruncher) asking if he can help him.

Best regards.

Thanks Logan. I knew someone would know the best thing to do. If the one with the problems does not look at his account, though, is it possible for someone to use his proper e-mail address?

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Can anyone please help this cruncher?

He has huge numbers of bad results

Just spotted him because one of my results is now pending because of the credit claimed difference. Not just me, of course, there are hundreds of similar results causing a backlog for loads of people.

I don't have the expertise needed to offer assistance but I suspect a lot of our companions would be glad if this could be cleared up.

Hi!

I think this cruncher has a older/bad/corrupted version of BOINC.

I was send a PM to Zelvuska (Czech like the cruncher) asking if he can help him.

Best regards.

Thanks Logan. I knew someone would know the best thing to do. If the one with the problems does not look at his account, though, is it possible for someone to use his proper e-mail address?

If you send a PM to a user, normally, it comes to his e-mail adress (that one he was defined as a user id).

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Logan.

BOINC FAQ Service (Ahora, también disponible en Español/Now available in Spanish)

If you send a PM to a user, normally, it comes to his e-mail adress (that one he was defined as a user id).

Of course! Thanks again.

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Don't members need to enable the email notification of PMs in the project section of their accounts to receive an email each time? On CPDN which has a new BOINC server version, email notification is disabled by default. I understand this because it protects the privacy of members, but it's a huge problem when one needs to contact members who don't visit the forums. In extreme cases one can ask a project admin to send an email, but how much time have they got for this?

I'm not sure whether this is on- or off-topic, but I noticed that most of those crashed tasks are listed as Over - Success - Done. The Success word would give lots of members the impression that they're doing all the right things. On CPDN we have the same problem that quite a lot of tasks are described inappropriately in these 3 columns. I'm not sure whether it's BOINC or the projects that decides how to fill these 3 columns, but whichever it is, the resulting descriptions are often very misleading. This isn't a recent problem; it's been going on for years.

Don't members need to enable the email notification of PMs in the project section of their accounts to receive an email each time? On CPDN which has a new BOINC server version, email notification is disabled by default. I understand this because it protects the privacy of members, but it's a huge problem when one needs to contact members who don't visit the forums. In extreme cases one can ask a project admin to send an email, but how much time have they got for this?

I'm not sure whether this is on- or off-topic, but I noticed that most of those crashed tasks are listed as Over - Success - Done. The Success word would give lots of members the impression that they're doing all the right things. On CPDN we have the same problem that quite a lot of tasks are described inappropriately in these 3 columns. I'm not sure whether it's BOINC or the projects that decides how to fill these 3 columns, but whichever it is, the resulting descriptions are often very misleading. This isn't a recent problem; it's been going on for years.

Yes, you are absolutely right and, as far as I am concerned, completely ON topic!
I have had quite a few of these discrepant results recently and I am sure Logan is right about the old/corrupt BOINC installation here. In all these cases my result has stood in the end having been matched by the third wingman and the very low claim is refused.
Yes, seems to be an old problem and one that it might be possible to detect somehow? Perhaps if results can be matched for persistent discrepancies they could be detected earlier and some sort of notice sent out? Hate to add to Berkeley's problems!

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Don't members need to enable the email notification of PMs in the project section of their accounts to receive an email each time? On CPDN which has a new BOINC server version, email notification is disabled by default. I understand this because it protects the privacy of members, but it's a huge problem when one needs to contact members who don't visit the forums. In extreme cases one can ask a project admin to send an email, but how much time have they got for this?

I'm not sure whether this is on- or off-topic, but I noticed that most of those crashed tasks are listed as Over - Success - Done. The Success word would give lots of members the impression that they're doing all the right things. On CPDN we have the same problem that quite a lot of tasks are described inappropriately in these 3 columns. I'm not sure whether it's BOINC or the projects that decides how to fill these 3 columns, but whichever it is, the resulting descriptions are often very misleading. This isn't a recent problem; it's been going on for years.

Yes, you are absolutely right and, as far as I am concerned, completely ON topic!
I have had quite a few of these discrepant results recently and I am sure Logan is right about the old/corrupt BOINC installation here. In all these cases my result has stood in the end having been matched by the third wingman and the very low claim is refused.
Yes, seems to be an old problem and one that it might be possible to detect somehow? Perhaps if results can be matched for persistent discrepancies they could be detected earlier and some sort of notice sent out? Hate to add to Berkeley's problems!

Have looked @ his results too and his very unexplanable high TRIPLET rate.(And the warning about this in the result remark!)
Hard to tell, what is going wrong here.Uses core client 5.4.11, could this be the reason??? It's an older one, but i've never seen one with almost only errors.
Have a look at some more results.
[Edit/Add]All his results are faulty!
First WU

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Have looked @ his results too and his very unexplanable high TRIPLET rate.(And the warning about this in the result remark!)
Hard to tell, what is going wrong here.Uses core client 5.4.11, could this be the reason??? It's an older one, but i've never seen one with almost only errors.
Have a look at some more results.
[Edit/Add]All his results are faulty!
First WU

Thanks Fred. Glad there's a high flier on the job. (no disrespects, Logan!)
All I could tell was that there is something wrong somewhere. Logan and I have both PMed him but I see he is still pulling down work to do and just piling up the agony.

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Have looked @ his results too and his very unexplanable high TRIPLET rate.(And the warning about this in the result remark!)
Hard to tell, what is going wrong here.Uses core client 5.4.11, could this be the reason??? It's an older one, but i've never seen one with almost only errors.
Have a look at some more results.
[Edit/Add]All his results are faulty!
First WU

Thanks Fred. Glad there's a high flier on the job. (no disrespects, Logan!)
All I could tell was that there is something wrong somewhere. Logan and I have both PMed him but I see he is still pulling down work to do and just piling up the agony.

Be patient...

the last results reported are made with the older BOINC version, but he have 2 cores and I supose he is not all day looking for if an e-mail arrives or not...

Let it be...:)

Be patient, my friend...

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Logan.

BOINC FAQ Service (Ahora, también disponible en Español/Now available in Spanish)

I would expect that there are two kinds of SETI crunchers:

Enthusiasts who keep a close watch on everything (and obsess over it publicly in the forums).

Casual crunchers who might look at their progress every few months, or not. They probably don't remember their user names, and don't use the forums.

If he's a casual cruncher, he may never see a PM from people here.

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I would expect that there are two kinds of SETI crunchers:

Enthusiasts who keep a close watch on everything (and obsess over it publicly in the forums).

Casual crunchers who might look at their progress every few months, or not. They probably don't remember their user names, and don't use the forums.

If he's a casual cruncher, he may never see a PM from people here.

If all 210000 active users were posting here, I think I'd have to be very selective in choosing threads to follow with my dial-up connection.

The default setting that PMs aren't sent to email addresses is of course designed to keep from attracting spammers. Some mechanism to flag the admin to make an exception might be a good idea; I'm thinking in terms of someone with the right language skills generating the message and one of the current forum moderators passing it on to admin.

                                                               Joe

We are not exacly helping this host out any are we, I see on the good host there are about 60 - 75% pending wu's. Why are we not Crunching these for them, and show him/her that the system does work and there are credits to be had. This might push them into looking at the other host after all the wu's on it have been returned. Who is to say they are not correct in what has been found possible but not likly.

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We are not exacly helping this host out any are we, I see on the good host there are about 60 - 75% pending wu's. Why are we not Crunching these for them, and show him/her that the system does work and there are credits to be had. This might push them into looking at the other host after all the wu's on it have been returned. Who is to say they are not correct in what has been found possible but not likly.

WoW...

I think....

The real problem is not the underclaiming credits of this cruncher... The real problem that he is working for nothing (no results... all with a -9 error and only retaining the results of other users)

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Logan.

BOINC FAQ Service (Ahora, también disponible en Español/Now available in Spanish)

The really odd thing is that there are a few isolated cases where he does get credit.
The problems start here:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=3886200&offset=60
to see more, just click the next button as many times as desired or until you see the problem

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I'm a Prefectionist ;)

We are not exacly helping this host out any are we, I see on the good host there are about 60 - 75% pending wu's. Why are we not Crunching these for them, and show him/her that the system does work and there are credits to be had. This might push them into looking at the other host after all the wu's on it have been returned. Who is to say they are not correct in what has been found possible but not likly.

It seems rather arrogant to assume:

• That he is aware of the problem.
  
• That we are somehow communicating with him.
  
• That he wants help.
  

This is part of "volunteer computing" -- the volunteers don't have to commit much beyond loading up BOINC once.

... by definition, we all care, or we wouldn't bother to participate in the forums. Why do we demand that Pavel take the same level of interest and care?

... or for that matter, speak English?

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We are not exacly helping this host out any are we, I see on the good host there are about 60 - 75% pending wu's. Why are we not Crunching these for them, and show him/her that the system does work and there are credits to be had. This might push them into looking at the other host after all the wu's on it have been returned. Who is to say they are not correct in what has been found possible but not likly.

It seems rather arrogant to assume:

• That he is aware of the problem.
  
• That we are somehow communicating with him.
  
• That he wants help.
  

This is part of "volunteer computing" -- the volunteers don't have to commit much beyond loading up BOINC once.

... by definition, we all care, or we wouldn't bother to participate in the forums. Why do we demand that Pavel take the same level of interest and care?

... or for that matter, speak English?

Ned... we only want to help. If you can read english, you can find in the first messages what we attempt to do to communicate with him...

Now if you think that we are doing a monkey bussines, please, tell us...

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Logan.

BOINC FAQ Service (Ahora, también disponible en Español/Now available in Spanish)

We are not exacly helping this host out any are we, I see on the good host there are about 60 - 75% pending wu's. Why are we not Crunching these for them, and show him/her that the system does work and there are credits to be had. This might push them into looking at the other host after all the wu's on it have been returned. Who is to say they are not correct in what has been found possible but not likly.

It seems rather arrogant to assume:

• That he is aware of the problem.
  
• That we are somehow communicating with him.
  
• That he wants help.
  

This is part of "volunteer computing" -- the volunteers don't have to commit much beyond loading up BOINC once.

... by definition, we all care, or we wouldn't bother to participate in the forums. Why do we demand that Pavel take the same level of interest and care?

... or for that matter, speak English?

Ned... we only want to help. If you can read english, you can find in the first messages what we attempt to do to communicate with him...

Now if you think that we are doing a monkey bussines, please, tell us...

Logan,

I think the desire to help is genuine, and admirable.

I don't see where Pavel has ever posted in the SETI forums. He probably doesn't read posts here.

One person could PM Pavel and offer help, and hope he reads the message. You can hope that he cares enough to fix it, and if he needs help, he feels welcome to ask.

You could PM his team leader, point out the issue, and offer to help. The team may have a forum of their own, in their native language.

But here, we're just talking amongst ourselves.

As to the science, if his results are bad they won't validate, so the science is safe. His wingmen will also get credit when the third work unit is returned.

-- Ned

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As to the science, if his results are bad they won't validate, so the science is safe. His wingmen will also get credit when the third work unit is returned.

-- Ned

And the few good results do contribute to the project... so the project appreciates his participation.

Maybe there's a cluster of Seti tasks all doing the same thing and there's nothing wrong with the computer after all:

http://boincfaq.mundayweb.com/index.php?language=1&view=93&sessionID=e83cffd071609f1744f51dbd5b07633e

Have other members recently reported error -9 on the forum?