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Aristoteles Doukas Send message Joined: 11 Apr 08 Posts: 1091 Credit: 2,140,913 RAC: 0 |
There is an exit clause but imagine the pressure that could be placed on an island state from those who don't like their attitude no matter how valid it may be. they had election in which they choose their representatives who made decision by law that you don´t have to have vote for it, so they had choice "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exist elsewhere in the Universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." Calvin to the Hobbes |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
There is an exit clause but imagine the pressure that could be placed on an island state from those who don't like their attitude no matter how valid it may be. Bad decision apparently, Too easy to pay off an elected body. Too hard to pay of an entire country. Creating a union of nations is good. Burning a countries constitution and giving power over your people to a rotating body system is not a wise choice, in my opinion. Some countries signed with contingencies. Some just signed because everyone else signed. "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
Fuzzy Hollynoodles Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
There is an exit clause but imagine the pressure that could be placed on an island state from those who don't like their attitude no matter how valid it may be. Yes, there is an exit clause, which Greenland used to get out, an island state, same as Ireland. Not that they are doing great up there, but that's another topic, that has nothing to do with EU. Considering that Ireland has been one of those areas in EU, which has received some of the highest amounts of subsidies for development of their industry, and with this their economy, I understand well why they don't want to use the exit clause and with this leave the EU. To me it seems like they want to have their cake and eat it too! As for voting for or against the Lisbon Treaty, that has been decided by the countries' own politicians, it has been decided for us here by our own elected politicians in the government lead by our prime minister. "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
As for voting for or against the Lisbon Treaty, that has been decided by the countries' own politicians, it has been decided for us here by our own elected politicians in the government lead by our prime minister. Does this make you happy? "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
As for voting for or against the Lisbon Treaty, that has been decided by the countries' own politicians, it has been decided for us here by our own elected politicians in the government lead by our prime minister. No Back in 1973-1975 the UK was asked to vote whether to remain within the Common Market, which was a federation of common trading partners. The vote was yes, and I voted that way. Had we known the way politicians were to take Britain, without any referendum history or protection, then I am positive the UK would have voted NO and come out then. I wish this country could exit the EU now We have gained nothing from the arrangement, and, indeed, it has cost this country much in the way of decision making and cash. It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
As for voting for or against the Lisbon Treaty, that has been decided by the countries' own politicians, it has been decided for us here by our own elected politicians in the government lead by our prime minister. Thank you, The Curmudgeon, We have the same thing happening here in the USA. The NAU will be implemented in 2009 and our politicians have been denying it. Funny they already have the currency in production. How many Americans knew this? "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
[quote]As for voting for or against the Lisbon Treaty, that has been decided by the countries' own politicians, it has been decided for us here by our own elected politicians in the government lead by our prime minister. Thank you, The Curmudgeon, We have the same thing happening here in the USA, Canada, and Mexico. The NAU will be implemented in 2009 and our politicians have been denying it even exists. It was passed in 2005. LOL! Funny... they already have the currency in production. How many Americans know about this? "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
Fuzzy Hollynoodles Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
As for voting for or against the Lisbon Treaty, that has been decided by the countries' own politicians, it has been decided for us here by our own elected politicians in the government lead by our prime minister. I don't care. I would have voted yes anyway... "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me |
Aristoteles Doukas Send message Joined: 11 Apr 08 Posts: 1091 Credit: 2,140,913 RAC: 0 |
As for voting for or against the Lisbon Treaty, that has been decided by the countries' own politicians, it has been decided for us here by our own elected politicians in the government lead by our prime minister. iwould too "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exist elsewhere in the Universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." Calvin to the Hobbes |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
Why would you guys be so ready to hand your country over to someone else to run? "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
Why would you guys be so ready to hand your country over to someone else to run? Because of short sighted political classes who see the route as a means of getting their snouts in to the public money trough. The population have no say apart from a General Election. he latter has so many issues coming together in the Governing Party, including, they would argue, the mandate to give away our country. B*****ks I say. They are frightened that any referendum would soundly kick then deep in to the long grass. A clear example is the planned career path of that most useless of politicians - Tony Blair - his ambition is to be appointed the first President of the EU. It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24884 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
The No 2 Joke of the 21st Century Union of Socialist States of Britain Britain Ratifies Treaty Why bother asking us to vote when they don't need us? Treason is still a hanging offence in Britain - I wonder if anyone has the guts to implement it? For the No 1 Joke of the 21st century: - Visit Team Canada's forum & check out the funny files/timmy's cartoon spot - You'll love it!!!!!!! |
Aristoteles Doukas Send message Joined: 11 Apr 08 Posts: 1091 Credit: 2,140,913 RAC: 0 |
Why would you guys be so ready to hand your country over to someone else to run? cause i live in europe, and i am not running any country, as you don´t run too. so we have handed them already, then there is a issue that countries in europe are very similar after you strip the thin coat that people speak different language, underneath comes european person who believes same values and wants same things in life. we are same people, the borders are not real, they are manmade, numerous times in history. "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exist elsewhere in the Universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." Calvin to the Hobbes |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
Why would you guys be so ready to hand your country over to someone else to run? Some of the things the Irish didn't like were things like the complete trash canning of the double indemnity law as well as many other judicial mandates. Weird environmental and agricultural laws, all in the hands of strangers. There are so many things being done and buried in the legal jargon that many don't seem to have any idea the power they are handing to someone who they don't even know. Like I said before, agreements are fine. Bundled power packages aren't. We see how power has corrupted politicians of all nationalities. Now imagine what happens to those who control continents and hemispheres. "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24884 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
.........Like a major European war & we all know how the last 2 turned out........................... |
Rush Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3131 Credit: 302,569 RAC: 0 |
Some of the things the Irish didn't like were things like the complete trash canning of the double indemnity law as well as many other judicial mandates. Weird environmental and agricultural laws, all in the hands of strangers. There are so many things being done and buried in the legal jargon that many don't seem to have any idea the power they are handing to someone who they don't even know. And yet you always advocate for MORE gov't meddling--shouldn't you be thrilled??? Cordially, Rush elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com Remove the obvious... |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
Apples and oranges, Rush, We're talking about the entire enchilada, not just a social program. . "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
Rush Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3131 Credit: 302,569 RAC: 0 |
Apples and oranges, Rush, They aren't apples and oranges because you say so. They are both just gov't. Layers of gov't meddling, bureaucracy, waste, and corruption. That you happen to support x silly gov't program doesn't change that it's gov't and therefore doesn't mean it's anything more than the exact same thing. And it certainly isn't any different like apples and oranges. And you seem to miss the concept: the whole enchilada is what skrews you. You cannot take parts out of the enchilada as if it won't screw you because it's all just gov't, lots and lots and lots and lots of gov't. And for every stupid piece that you want forced on others, there are other people who want their stupid piece forced on you. You can't have it both ways, if it's OK for you to force their crap on them, then it's OK for them to force their crap on you. You should be thrilled. Cordially, Rush elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com Remove the obvious... |
Aristoteles Doukas Send message Joined: 11 Apr 08 Posts: 1091 Credit: 2,140,913 RAC: 0 |
Apples and oranges, Rush, i suppose that if government would not been meddling so much you would have such grand life, it is sad that gov... can´t do anything right, i really think that you should take over and be a leader of ........ or some other country, i hope some which i have never heard of, such a potential leader going to waste "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exist elsewhere in the Universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." Calvin to the Hobbes |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
That's ok aristo, If I controlled the world you'd be happier than you are now. "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
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