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Message 754390 - Posted: 17 May 2008, 9:50:03 UTC - in response to Message 747676.  
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. . . for all the '(self-)righteous' BIG BROTHERS out there...

If you cut a man off from society, lock him in a room, and proceed to torture him day and night... Even if you 'believe' that you are 'doing the right thing'... When he finally gives up and commits some sort of personal suicide, who exactly do you think God will punish? Who do you think is guilty of the greater crime(s)?

This aught to be interesting... ;)

(Inspired by Matthew 7:1-5)


Interesting. If you accept all of everyone's religious beliefs---the following logic should apply:

The suicide guy is in a better place (heaven) therefore the suicide guy should thank the "jailer" for allowing him to be a martyr .

The best reward for the jailer would be when he killed as many people as possible to get boatloads of individuals to their eternal reward.

Kind of dangerous and stupid and might be the logic behind current events as regards terrorism. Since everyones teachings in this regard are different --most likely all of them are wrong. Heaven , Hell, Purgatory, Limbo, Valhalla, God, Zeus, ODIN, Vishnu The saints, the Pantheon of Deities. and so on.

The best we can do is cherish life and people here and now on earth. We seem however to value our way of life above others' way of life and confront those who would take it away. What is just may turn out to be what is pleasing to the strong (PLATO, ARISTOTLE ?) hence we have had conflict and likely always will. What is just may not, therefore, be fair nor equitable.

If a nation is not strong then someone will alter it's way of life just as the strong , if they are corrupt in any sense, will attempt to alter other's way of life. Hence we need to ask where do we derive morality.

Much too deep a subject for me--I believe morality and behavior towards others should emanate from the essence of being a human being--others turn to religion or charismatic leaders. Back to sleep now
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Message 754393 - Posted: 17 May 2008, 10:10:29 UTC - in response to Message 754252.  

. . . for all the '(self-)righteous' nosey people out there...


If you pry into someones personal life, and find something that may be displeasing to you and others but not necessarily illegal or sinful, and you make a big stink about it... When that persons life is destroyed, who exactly do you think God will punish? Who do you think is guilty of the greater crime(s)?

This aught to be interesting too... ;)



(Inspired by NOSEY PEOPLE, because they really irk me)

I find it strange that you and I agree on so much..yet you think the way you do because you believe God wants it..where as I think the way I do because i believe that people are worth it. If everyone is being kind and thoughtful to each other and that is the value system we set up, then that is how we and those we care about and love will be treated. It is logical to create a society where we care about others..even if they are strangers who we will never meet.

The society we create, and the values that society have are the ones we have to live in as individuals.
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Message 754719 - Posted: 17 May 2008, 20:41:38 UTC - in response to Message 754393.  
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I find it strange that you and I agree on so much..

I don't find it strange at all... We are all born with a good moral conscience, but over time, some keep it, some lose part of it, and some lose all of it...

Although I do wonder who those people are that you think are 'worth it'... Are they my neighbors who pound on my walls? Are they my employers who ask to much of me and pay to little? Are they my coworkers who harass me because I don't greet them in the morning nor party with them in the evening? Are they my landlords who overcharge me to basically live in a storage bin? Are they the 'christians' who will kill me because I don't have 'their' jesus? Are they my government who claim to spy on me for my benefit yet never seem to do much for me? Are they the people who claim to be my friends then betray me when they don't get what they want? I'm a descent person because that's who I am, not because I believe that 'God wants it', and surely not because I think that 'people are worth it'... ;)

(Personally, I'm getting pretty darn tired of being screwed by people with a smile, and not much else.)
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Message 754722 - Posted: 17 May 2008, 21:03:45 UTC

Jeffrey wrote:
. . . for all the '(self-)righteous' BIG BROTHERS out there...

If you cut a man off from society, lock him in a room, and proceed to torture him day and night... Even if you 'believe' that you are 'doing the right thing'... When he finally gives up and commits some sort of personal suicide, who exactly do you think God will punish? Who do you think is guilty of the greater crime(s)?

This aught to be interesting... ;)

(Inspired by Matthew 7:1-5)


As 'Gods children', God should punish himself for the creation such evil, torturous people, in his own image.
[Gods evil laugh]WTG God, you've topped yourself that time.[/Gods evil laugh]
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Message 754764 - Posted: 17 May 2008, 22:13:08 UTC - in response to Message 754722.  

As 'Gods children', God should punish himself for the creation such evil, torturous people, in his own image.

And with that said, we discover another flaw in the theory of evolution:

If we can't blame God, who would we blame? Surely not ourselves... ;)
It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .
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Message 755453 - Posted: 19 May 2008, 2:32:59 UTC - in response to Message 754764.  
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As 'Gods children', God should punish himself for the creation such evil, torturous people, in his own image.

And with that said, we discover another flaw in the theory of evolution:

If we can't blame God, who would we blame? Surely not ourselves... ;)


Such negativity.

Hundred of times more people exist on this planet since concepts of God or deities entered our written or oral languages.

Billions of people alive in the world today.

Thousands of millions will live longer than anyone has for the past 10,000 years plus.

It's not a perfect world but how is the world we live in today worse than it was 100, 1000, 10000 or a million years ago?

I know it is the nature of people to moan and groan but is our world truely worse than it was in the 'golden age' some keep refering to?

If people were really that torturous or evil would we have ever been able to create the sort of world we have today?

If the average person is bad that means the people you trust or love like your parents, siblings, neighbours, friends, colleagues are also bad...

Or is it yet again an example of how we think it "others" that are bad?

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Message 755471 - Posted: 19 May 2008, 4:20:56 UTC - in response to Message 755453.  
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Such negativity.

I tend to wonder why people keep 'pointing out my negativity' while I am only 'pointing out the obvious'...

There is a word that comes to mind... ---> 'Denial', and getting rid of people like me won't fix that... ;)
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Message 755474 - Posted: 19 May 2008, 4:35:47 UTC - in response to Message 755471.  
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Such negativity.

I tend to wonder why people keep 'pointing out my negativity' while I am only 'pointing out the obvious'...


What is obvious and what is truth are not always the same thing.

Billions of people do exist today and we have a far better standard of living than ever before. Not a perfect truth but as far as I can tell history agrees.

(Prove me wrong.)


There is a word that comes to mind... ---> 'Denial', and getting rid of people like me won't fix that... ;)


I couldn't imagine ever wanting to get rid of you Jeffrey.



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Message 755479 - Posted: 19 May 2008, 5:01:54 UTC - in response to Message 755471.  

and getting rid of people like me won't fix that... ;)


Sure would quiet things down around here though....lmao


Just kidding, Jeff. ;-)

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